Given the arks I'm tempted to believe that the reason for the Andromeda Initiative is colonization. Exploration doesn't require an exodus-like mission. Like others have mentioned, only a fraction of our own galaxy has been explored.
I'm not against the idea of Andromeda. Especially because BW made it impossible to create any story after the ME3-ending. That means that MEA is not primarily created with a story to save the MW species or exploration in mind, but to save the franchise instead.
They said it themselves that they weren't planning on continuing the series after the tril but thanks to us it is now a reality. They probably should've planned for that but whatever.Given the arks I'm tempted to believe that the reason for the Andromeda Initiative is colonization. Exploration doesn't require an exodus-like mission. Like others have mentioned, only a fraction of our own galaxy has been explored.
I'm not against the idea of Andromeda. Especially because BW made it impossible to create any story after the ME3-ending. That means that MEA is not primarily created with a story to save the MW species or exploration in mind, but to save the franchise instead.
The writers obviously weren't planning for Andromeda when they created ME3. Hence the impending retcons, I'm sure that whatever the reason may be, It will be a undoubtly be a handwave, and not mentioned at all beyond the prologue, which really is best, they shouldn't bother disturbing the long-decayed remains of the original trilogy.
Sure. Like, the bottom of our oceans (maybe). Other than that, our globe is mapped. The earth is now "smaller" than it has ever been. Unless you're digging in the dirt or scraping the ocean floor, you're probably not seeing anything that someone hasn't seen before. (let's be honest, we're talking about a "great deal". I'd say 99% of the Milky Way is a great deal. What's left uncharted here on Earth? Not a great deal at all.)
Mars? Your block seems like a logical next step after you've discovered every square foot of your own house. But, I'm with NdGT and Bill Nye....Unless we figure out how to terraform, Mars is a waste. If we can't figure out how to master our own planet (and combat/reverse human-caused climate change), Mars is nothing more than a field trip.
Really, Venus would be a better prospect for permanent colonization than Mars.
But yeah, it makes no sense for explorers to go shooting for Andromeda just for S&G when 99.9999% of the Milky Way is unexplored, and is a heck of lot closer.
The sense of scale we are talking about here are far too massive to consider approaching on a purely scientific/exploration bent. It would be like deciding to go and colonize the Alpha Centauri system; forgoing all of our home solar system; with current modern day technology. Unless we are all facing the imminent demise of Earth, and our local neighboring planets, such an effort wouldn't be even remotely feasible.
Sure it does. The exploration point is meaningless. The fact that the Council regulates colonization within the MW and the vast empty husks of space are already claimed by other Council races is by itself a good enough reason to want to go elsewhere. This is pretty much what happened IRL, when vast swaths of Europe were unsettled.Really, Venus would be a better prospect for permanent colonization than Mars.
But yeah, it makes no sense for explorers to go shooting for Andromeda just for S&G when 99.9999% of the Milky Way is unexplored, and is a heck of lot closer.
The sense of scale we are talking about here are far too massive to consider approaching on a purely scientific/exploration bent. It would be like deciding to go and colonize the Alpha Centauri system; forgoing all of our home solar system; with current modern day technology. Unless we are all facing the imminent demise of Earth, and our local neighboring planets, such an effort wouldn't be even remotely feasible.
In threads here, on Reddit and in comments on news sites, a lot of new information is measured by one big misconception. Well, unfounded assumption at least. A lot of people seem to be convinced that the colonists leave for Andromeda because of the Reaper thread.
Of course this isn't a crazy idea, but it's still very much unconfirmed (it's not even mentioned in one of the many leaks). I have the feeling this isn't the primary reason the Andromeda Initiative is initiated. There could be other reasons. Exploration for the sake of exploration. The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable. Fear for the Geth after the events of ME1. There are alternatives.
All we know is that Ryder leaves before big choices are made in Mass Effect 3.
It's too premature to get outraged about: 'But no one believed Shepard about the Reapers!' 'Why would've no one told Shepard!' 'Why wouldn't they put all their energy into the Crucible project!'
Who knows, perhaps the colonists aren't running in panick from Reaper thread and are just like 'yea, ok, I'll come along' and have all the time in the world to prepare.
I think it might be that you leave before even Mass Effect 1 starts... There was no big threat at the time, so spending resources on purely expanding out knowledge of the universe does not sound to farfetched, and it would let them neatly side step the entire original trilogy.
I think it might be that you leave before even Mass Effect 1 starts... There was no big threat at the time, so spending resources on purely expanding out knowledge of the universe does not sound to farfetched, and it would let them neatly side step the entire original trilogy.
yea....................thermal clips
From trailer we may have thermal clips.I think it might be that you leave before even Mass Effect 1 starts... There was no big threat at the time, so spending resources on purely expanding out knowledge of the universe does not sound to farfetched, and it would let them neatly side step the entire original trilogy.
Maybe, but I doubt it. I think the Andromeda Initiative was put in place because of the Reaper threat. Why put all your eggs in one basket (The Crucible) without having a contingency plan?
And it's understandable not to inform Shepard about it. One, it might have distracted him from his focus. Two, what you don't know can't be forced out of you.
I think it might be that you leave before even Mass Effect 1 starts... There was no big threat at the time, so spending resources on purely expanding out knowledge of the universe does not sound to farfetched, and it would let them neatly side step the entire original trilogy.
Problem with this is we clearly see Ryder awakening from some kind of long stasis sleep, or cryosleep. However and correct me if im wrong, Liara or someone during the Javik DLC comments that they haven't even come close to the Protheans in terms of long term stasis preservation. Yet it might have been possible after salvaging Javik's tech and reverse engineering it.
I thought I could find the scene where I thought I heard that comment, but I can't, so I omit that particular theory, but I still question whether or not they had functional long term stasis technology readily available before ME2. Liara mentions that Shepard did see the stasis pods on Illos, but whether or not the alliance or the other races salvaged that stuff is unknown, but that might be the next best guess as to how they got long term stasis tech for Andromeda.
The way I see it, the Arks make no sense no matter what we are running away from. The Reapers are the only known threat the Milk Way faced that actually justify their construction, so it's only natural people will assume they are the reason we left. Some people argued the arks could have been built because of the Rachini or Krogan Wars, but I strongly disagree. Those wars didn't justify the building of such massive undertakings as Ark Ships, it's not practical, it's not economically sound and probably not even logical.
Anything besides those wars would be a new problem we don't know about. It can be said with 97.34% certainty that the Arks are a retcon, creating new information that is also probably a retcon to explain them is not needed. Besides, if we are running away from a threat that is not the Reapers (or those other wars), that threat is still there and the Milk Way is still doomed. Which would lead to the idea that we will eventually try to "rescue" those who we left behind in the old galaxy, but by doing so, the very reason we went for the Milk Way (to avoid cannoning the original trilogy) would be thrown out of a window. And so why would have been the pointing of leaving the Milk Way in the first place?
The way I see it, the Arks make no sense no matter what we are running away from. The Reapers are the only known threat the Milk Way faced that actually justify their construction, so it's only natural people will assume they are the reason we left. Some people argued the arks could have been built because of the Rachini or Krogan Wars, but I strongly disagree. Those wars didn't justify the building of such massive undertakings as Ark Ships, it's not practical, it's not economically sound and probably not even logical.
Anything besides those wars would be a new problem we don't know about. It can be said with 97.34% certainty that the Arks are a retcon, creating new information that is also probably a retcon to explain them is not needed. Besides, if we are running away from a threat that is not the Reapers (or those other wars), that threat is still there and the Milk Way is still doomed. Which would lead to the idea that we will eventually try to "rescue" those who we left behind in the old galaxy, but by doing so, the very reason we went for the Milk Way (to avoid cannoning the original trilogy) would be thrown out of a window. And so why would have been the pointing of leaving the Milk Way in the first place?
Let's not forget that the only reason the Reapers actually "threaten a galaxy" isn't because they can cover the entire galaxy... because they can't... why? Because it's ridiculous.
They threaten the galaxy because the Citadel has every space faring planet, colony and station logged into its data-banks.
And it still took them over a century to wipe out the Protheans (and it still should have been impossible).
The only believable reason for leaving the Milky Way I believe is because of the Reaper's relentless war against space faring races.
Those ships seem to clearly be their own mass relays (the only way in the ME universe to travel the unimaginable distances between stars... forget about galaxies) - the ME races were only capable of using Reaper tech... and I believe the Asari were just about to build their own version of a mass relay (one of the races was).
Without that tech... Bioware has to make more space magic and claim the ME races had it before the Reapers... which would completely change the Reaper war.
"Worrying about something now means they can look at these discussions and address issues (whatever you wanna call them) before it's too late. Of course, that never stopped them before, extremely unlikely it will work now."
Actually, I seriously doubt it.
By now, the creation of content seems to be fixed. Only additional content in the form of DLC or multyplayer could suffer large changes at this moment. Or the game would have to be delayed... again.
You simply can not expect any profound changes this late down the road.
By now, they will simply trim as few things, disable what can not be tested in time, as always.
Marketing now can only entice the audience and make them want the product. But the product itself won´t change unless there´s a severe backlash. And I doubt it will happen. The game was alreasdy delayed once. From now until March the game will be tested in order to remove bugs. and that´s all.
If they really are as far along as they claim (I mean it's highly suspicious that they've not shown ANY gameplay yet, while claiming that the game itself needs only polishing...sorry, but I smell a rat!) to be 
It's not like they couldn't make a demo-/test-level (if they fear revealing parts of the story etc. by showing us some gameplay!)...hell, they would have such a level left over from the developing process probably!
greets LAX
ps: I really hope it's a survival-initiative (because that gives us better people to work with - if it's something civilian the military just took over there will still be a lot of normal civilians along, while in a "let's keep the best of the best alive" situation people would be specially selected (no families for example, kids happen naturally after we've established ourself in Andromeda after all...more so if they do what I would do: Take along fertilized embryos that have been screened for genetic diseases and health-issues, just like all the other expedition members!) and would be more reasonable and better to work with at the start (soldiers and scientists are easier to work with than the run of the mill civilian with his/her - in comparison to the survival of the Milky Way races - petty problems and concerns!)
You ever hear of the scientific precept "Occam's Razor?" Yes, there are other potential explanations, but fleeing from the Reapers seem's the likeliest given our past experiences in the ME-verse. I personally hope it isn't a venture that takes place a hundred years after the events of ME3. Kind of defeats the purpose of moving the setting to Andromeda.
Honestly, Occam's Razor has pretty much nothing to offer in this context, and yes, I am familiar with the term. According to Occam's Razor, we really don't have any idea why we left the milky way. The only real explanation I can think of is that since this story, advertisement and info we have been given means that we simply set out to explore and that is really the main and could be the only focus.
Why do I think this?
The devs have said they are making this game with the intent of them exploring, us exploring in the game and that MEA will be pretty unrelated to anything within the previous canon of the ME universe in so many words.
No, I think there is prolly another reason why we ventured out to Andromeda where the focal point cannot be anything related to the previous ME series for the reasons given.
Sure it does. The exploration point is meaningless. The fact that the Council regulates colonization within the MW and the vast empty husks of space are already claimed by other Council races is by itself a good enough reason to want to go elsewhere. This is pretty much what happened IRL, when vast swaths of Europe were unsettled.
If the tech to go to AC existed you'd see people wanting to do it solely to escape governments here.
If they really are as far along as they claim (I mean it's highly suspicious that they've not shown ANY gameplay yet, while claiming that the game itself needs only polishing...sorry, but I smell a rat!) to be
It's not like they couldn't make a demo-/test-level (if they fear revealing parts of the story etc. by showing us some gameplay!)...hell, they would have such a level left over from the developing process probably!
greets LAX
ps: I really hope it's a survival-initiative (because that gives us better people to work with - if it's something civilian the military just took over there will still be a lot of normal civilians along, while in a "let's keep the best of the best alive" situation people would be specially selected (no families for example, kids happen naturally after we've established ourself in Andromeda after all...more so if they do what I would do: Take along fertilized embryos that have been screened for genetic diseases and health-issues, just like all the other expedition members!) and would be more reasonable and better to work with at the start (soldiers and scientists are easier to work with than the run of the mill civilian with his/her - in comparison to the survival of the Milky Way races - petty problems and concerns!)
They have shown small snip-its of game play, just not enough to piece together how the story's going to progress, except the "dangling" cinematic. If the gameplay's not been sufficiently broken by a major bug found, it's quite likely they've redesigned the classes and want to keep the changes a secret from us for now.
They have shown small snip-its of game play, just not enough to piece together how the story's going to progress, except the "dangling" cinematic. If the gameplay's not been sufficiently broken by a major bug found, it's quite likely they've redesigned the classes and want to keep the changes a secret from us for now.
With all due respect, showing game play kinda implies that it shows how the game is played...
That's not true. It's like saying to escape English authority the puritans (or whatever country and sect you'd like to pick) just had to go into a forest. It doesn't matter how large the system is - it matters that you can be tracked. In ME2 we had actual colonies like Horizon specifically established to be outside of Alliance or Council jurisdiction. How did they work independence wise, ignoring the collectors? The Alliance was trying to assert its control through soft power basically ASAP.But the council only controls a tiny proportion of the galaxy. All you need to do to escape them if fly off the Mass Relay grid for a little bit - or at least a little bit relative to the distance to Andromeda. Or go to the Terminus systems, evidently humans found plenty of places to set up over there. What's the advantage of going all the way to Andromeda?
We don't have much concrete info about MEA so pretty much everything is a possibility. Personally I think that the Arks are last resort option initiated by the Council in case we fail to beat the Reapers. Their construction likely began before ME3, hell maybe after ME1.
I don't like that all of them were constructed above Earth, this gives me the "Humanity is special, the aliens are extra" vibe which I hate with passion. I have seen this mentioned on Reddit so maybe this isn't true.
That's not true. It's like saying to escape English authority the puritans (or whatever country and sect you'd like to pick) just had to go into a forest. It doesn't matter how large the system is - it matters that you can be tracked. In ME2 we had actual colonies like Horizon specifically established to be outside of Alliance or Council jurisdiction. How did they work independence wise, ignoring the collectors? The Alliance was trying to assert its control through soft power basically ASAP.
You can't establish a colony off the grid. That's actually more ridiculous than just screwing off to another galaxy on a magic Ark ship.
You're going to be tracked because you're going to obviously be starting a colony without any kind of legal authority in the sovereign space of another nation. We're talking about the displacement of tens of thousands of people and an absurd quantity of apecialized equipment you're going to smuggle all at once on a secret fleet that is going to maintain operational secrecy at a level that gets the CIA harder than diamond, and that's assuming a suicidal population that's going to isolate itself completely in a somehow hitherto unknown garden world that's perfectly suited to human life. There's a reason why colonization is a state-driven process for the most part in sci-fi. You need factories, experts - it's an insane endeavour to hope to do this without any authority figuring out you're about to completely annex an incredibly valuable strategic asset within their border. And the whole reason humanity is settling the Traverse is that the Council isn't letting them settle the much more stable regions of space. This 99% number is a red herring.How are you going to be tracked? Sensors are slower than light, if you spend 10 days cruising at 12 light years per day, anyone tracking you back home will be looking at century old data.
Horizon wasn't trying to be off the grid, and it wasn't trying to cut itself off completely. But it was independent.
You're going to be tracked because you're going to obviously be starting a colony without any kind of legal authority in the sovereign space of another nation. We're talking about the displacement of tens of thousands of people and an absurd quantity of apecialized equipment you're going to smuggle all at once on a secret fleet that is going to maintain operational secrecy at a level that gets the CIA harder than diamond, and that's assuming a suicidal population that's going to isolate itself completely in a somehow hitherto unknown garden world that's perfectly suited to human life. There's a reason why colonization is a state-driven process for the most part in sci-fi. You need factories, experts - it's an insane endeavour to hope to do this without any authority figuring out you're about to completely annex an incredibly valuable strategic asset within their border. And the whole reason humanity is settling the Traverse is that the Council isn't letting them settle the much more stable regions of space. This 99% number is a red herring.
Or go to another galaxy to colonize and explore. We'll see whose assumptions are right buddy.They're settling in the Traverse because they still want to be part of galactic society - to make money, really - and thus are sticking to the Mass Relay network and vicinity. But that logic doesn't apply to anyone willing to go to Andromeda, because they're irrevocably cutting themselves off anyway.
The 99% number isn't a red herring, its a logical outcome of the slow speed of travel relative to size of the galaxy. There are vast swathes of the galaxy that are months if not years of travel away from anywhere that can meaningfully be considered Council space. That have never been visited and may well never be visited by a Council ship.
There's no lack of space in the galaxy, there's only a lack of space on the Mass Relay network. If you're willing to leave the network, the only reason to leave the galaxy really is the Reapers.
(Or if the Mass relay network had a connection to Andromeda, that would make sense. But the duration of the journey suggests otherwise)
The fear that dark energy would make the Milky Way unhabbitable.
Dude not the dark matter theory again
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