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[Monk]

Probably much like with the Omega 4 Relay, multiple cycles, having learned about the threat ahead of time, were probably all "Nah, son. We ain't going down like that" and went ahead and left for Andromeda (or nearer galaxies?) to avoid the fate created by the Catalyst/Reapers.

[FrietzMG]

Very true. 

 

Would be surprised if there are no other Milky Way species there.

[dreamgazer]

Probably much like with the Omega 4 Relay, multiple cycles, having learned about the threat ahead of time, were probably all "Nah, son. We ain't going down like that" and went ahead and left for Andromeda (or nearer galaxies?) to avoid the fate created by the Catalyst/Reapers.

... and then they arrived in Andromeda to learn that, oh, huh, yeah, the Reapers don't actually hibernate during that time and harvest other galaxies as well. Womp, womp.

[The Night Haunter]

... and then they arrived in Andromeda to learn that, oh, huh, yeah, the Reapers don't actually hibernate during that time and harvest other galaxies as well. Womp, womp.

While that would be amusing I do personally hope we've seen the last of the Reapers. I think ME should move forward, rather than stay stuck in old boring circles.

[FrietzMG]

... and then they arrived in Andromeda to learn that, oh, huh, yeah, the Reapers don't actually hibernate during that time and harvest other galaxies as well. Womp, womp.

 

I would have a good laugh if we wake up there and look out the window: Reapers were there all along waiting for us. 30 seconds of gameplay.

[dreamgazer]

While that would be amusing I do personally hope we've seen the last of the Reapers. I think ME should move forward, rather than stay stuck in old boring circles.

I don't doubt that we've seen the last of the Reapers, but that doesn't mean Reapers weren't reaping in Andromeda. That's one way of keeping that galaxy's technological advancement somewhat in check, too. Else, the Milky Way folks don't stand a chance.

Whether the Reapers did their thing in other galaxies or not, the Reapers will have been dealt with 600 years in the future.

[KaiserShep]

... and then they arrived in Andromeda to learn that, oh, huh, yeah, the Reapers don't actually hibernate during that time and harvest other galaxies as well. Womp, womp.

 

 

Or the reapers lied to us, and they were only harvesting the Milky Way because they felt like it, and in every other galaxy, the reapers would visit everyone's homes every year giving children presents and having massive parties with every type of alcohol from every civilization they've visited over the past millennia. 

[Mcfly616]

Would love to show up in Andromeda just to have all of the Catalyst's assertions about the eternally inevitable organic/synthetic conflict reinforced. 

[dreamgazer]

Or the reapers lied to us, and they were only harvesting the Milky Way because they felt like it, and in every other galaxy, the reapers would visit everyone's homes every year giving children presents and having massive parties with every type of alcohol from every civilization they've visited over the past millennia.

I've got this image in my head of a plump husk riding a sleigh drawn by eight brutes.

[SKAR]

Maybe old MW races who fled. Not expecting that but would be surprised.

[SKAR]

I don't doubt that we've seen the last of the Reapers, but that doesn't mean Reapers weren't reaping in Andromeda. That's one way of keeping that galaxy's technological advancement somewhat in check, too. Else, the Milky Way folks don't stand a chance.

Whether the Reapers did their thing in other galaxies or not, the Reapers will have been dealt with 600 years in the future.

Pretty sure the reapers weren't harvesting Andromedans. Let's look at the facts, at Light speed it would take 2.5 million years to get there without some special relay but why would they have that? They go into darkspace to hibernate. Their focus is the milky way. They don't have time to focus on other galaxies. They were made to solve the MW problems.

[Kelwing]

Pretty sure the reapers weren't harvesting Andromedans. Let's look at the facts, at Light speed it would take 2.5 million years to get there without some special relay but why would they have that? They go into darkspace to hibernate. Their focus is the milky way. They don't have time to focus on other galaxies. They were made to solve the MW problems.

Yet it seems it can be done in 600 years with current galactic tech. A mere blip on the radar for the Reapers. The Reapers drives are far more advanced then anything the Council races have.

[goishen]

"Oh you're afraid of a galactic presence that can wipe you all out?  How about an intergalactic presence that we've put down countless times trying to escape your galactic threat?"

[O'Voutie O'Rooney]

If the reapers were working the doom in other galaxies and if every galaxy cycles in an identical way and these cycles include species seeking other galaxies, it follows logically that species from other galaxies would have come to the Milky Way. There are none. Therefore, one or more of the premises is false. Modus tollens.

[Monk]

Well, pooling what i remember about the Leviathan DLC, the Catalyst was designed to work on the MW's problems. There's no mention of other galaxies so it stands that they're safe from the Reaper's work. And from what (little) we know about the Remnants helps support this, lore wise, since non-Reaper tech is destroyed if not part of their grand scheme.

 

An alternate supporting theory is the Remnants, since their tech is left over, did interact with the Reapers but were sufficiently capable of sending them packing, allowing for their tech to remain when "mystery about Remnants happens".

 

It's also possible, though there's nothing i recall that mentions this specifically, that the Catalyst's technological limits are the outer edges of the MW.

[MGW7]

In the universe civilizations always are undone by ai of their own construction, the Zha til, the geth, the reapers themselves,

 

one race builds ai, and their neighbors are forced to destroy them together when they get out of control.

 

The races of the milky way had far larger and more powerful empires than otherwise possible because of the relays making planets and resources available, in other galaxies you would have much smaller, poorer empires unable to travel vast distances, and thus when their ai get out of control they are a local threat without the resources to outcompete the many surrounding empires at once.

 

The leviathans broke the trend by spreading to the whole galaxy before developing ai, and then when they did the reapers were too powerful for the combined efforts of the milky way to defeat them.

 

The reapers exist because the leviathans survived the great filter until they controlled the whole galaxy, and unless an Andromeda races did the same their empires should be small, local, and poor.

[SKAR]

Yet it seems it can be done in 600 years with current galactic tech. A mere blip on the radar for the Reapers. The Reapers drives are far more advanced then anything the Council races have.

And? They wait for US. They don't have time to harvest all the other galaxies. They were made to solve the MW problems.We don't even know how we get to Andromeda. Most likely a super relay or something. It's got to be way, WAY faster than light speed.

[Monk]

In the universe civilizations always are undone by ai of their own construction, the Zha til, the geth, the reapers themselves,

 

one race builds ai, and their neighbors are forced to destroy them together when they get out of control.

 

The races of the milky way had far larger and more powerful empires than otherwise possible because of the relays making planets and resources available, in other galaxies you would have much smaller, poorer empires unable to travel vast distances, and thus when their ai get out of control they are a local threat without the resources to outcompete the many surrounding empires at once.

 

The leviathans broke the trend by spreading to the whole galaxy before developing ai, and then when they did the reapers were too powerful for the combined efforts of the milky way to defeat them.

 

The reapers exist because the leviathans survived the great filter until they controlled the whole galaxy, and unless an Andromeda races did the same their empires should be small, local, and poor.

 

Argh, damn you BioWare… It's "Ai", not "AI" which stands for "artificial intelligence". "Ai" is rumored (?) to stand for "Andromeda Initiative".

[AngryFrozenWater]

In the universe civilizations always are undone by ai of their own construction, the Zha til, the geth, the reapers themselves,

 

one race builds ai, and their neighbors are forced to destroy them together when they get out of control.

 

The races of the milky way had far larger and more powerful empires than otherwise possible because of the relays making planets and resources available, in other galaxies you would have much smaller, poorer empires unable to travel vast distances, and thus when their ai get out of control they are a local threat without the resources to outcompete the many surrounding empires at once.

 

The leviathans broke the trend by spreading to the whole galaxy before developing ai, and then when they did the reapers were too powerful for the combined efforts of the milky way to defeat them.

 

The reapers exist because the leviathans survived the great filter until they controlled the whole galaxy, and unless an Andromeda races did the same their empires should be small, local, and poor.

Did you ever talk to Javik during the quarian mission in ME3? He'll tell you that the zha'til were corrupted by the reapers.

 

The geth (heretics) were corrupted by the reapers, aswell.

 

The leviathans created an intelligence, later known as the Catalyst, that was meant to solve the problem that synthetics may exterminate the lesser races, called thralls, which were used by the leviathans to serve their needs. So there was no ideology behind this, just economics. The Intelligence was given the mandate to solve that problem. It wasn't told how to solve the problem and it was given the freedom to study the problem to find a solution. For the Intelligence's study it needed an army to collect physical data of organics. Instead of collecting data, the Intelligence's creators were betrayed and without any warning or reason given that army was turned against the leviathans to harvest them and transform their "essence" into the first reaper, called Harbinger. The cyclical harvest was a solution that the Intelligence dreamed up and it was not suggested by its creators.

We used to think that the Catalyst's creators, the leviathans, determined how it behaved. The leviathans created the Intelligence to find a solution for their thrall problem by itself. That task conflicts with the phrases we often hear: "shackled AI", "programmed by its creators", "the Catalyst has no free will", "it is not responsible for its actions", and "the reapers where created by the leviathans". What the Leviathan DLC has shown is that none of those are true. The fact that the Intelligence betrayed its creators also ends the "the Catalyst can be trusted" assumption.

[In Exile]

It also ends the "Intelligence is intelligent" assumption, since is the actual cause of the problem it sought to cure, and will either cause the extinction of all organic life or disprove the assumption at the core of its "mission".

[dreamgazer]

Perhaps synthetics did wipe out all organic life in Andromeda, then recreated it as they saw fit with the genetic remnants (huehuehue) of the species they annihilated.

[Fogg]

Probably much like with the Omega 4 Relay, multiple cycles, having learned about the threat ahead of time, were probably all "Nah, son. We ain't going down like that" and went ahead and left for Andromeda (or nearer galaxies?) to avoid the fate created by the Catalyst/Reapers.

 

It would be pretty cool. But it could also be difficult.

 

The thing with Andromeda as a brand new galaxy to explore (and scifi in general) is that you can do so, so many different cool things. That's why there are so many Star Trek episodes. Hopefully they will keep expanding Andromeda in many different ways. Perhaps we'll see old Milky Way races in a side quest in the fourth new ME game, right after the planet where we are giants.

[Dalinne]

... and then they arrived in Andromeda to learn that, oh, huh, yeah, the Reapers don't actually hibernate during that time and harvest other galaxies as well. Womp, womp.

 

I would have a good laugh if we wake up there and look out the window: Reapers were there all along waiting for us. 30 seconds of gameplay.

 

Would love to show up in Andromeda just to have all of the Catalyst's assertions about the eternally inevitable organic/synthetic conflict reinforced. 

 

And here I put this song about "ey guys, don't worry about that, don't fear the Reaper(s)!"

 

 

 

Please, Biowaremods, I appreciated your modering, but I don't really geth why I got a warning for SPAM for a freaking song about "Reapers".

I don't know, probably I had a horrible sense of humour but I thought I made that clear a long while ago