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[Hrulj]

Despite Sovereign claiming that they are each a nation and AI, they dont act like AI. They follow their programing, not free will. The Starchild is dogmatic in seeing its projected purpose succeed, and has done so for a billion or more years. Would true AI develop its own path, make its own judgment, and generally differ one from another? When Shepard goes to destroy them, the starbrat doesnt try to stop him, or convince him not to do that. Wouldnt a living being fear death and non-existance? Instead he tells Shepard exactly what he needs to do to destroy them, and brings him in a position to do it

[niniendowarrior]

They are artificially stupid systems or A.S.S. for short.

 

Just kidding.  Well, I think they are just advanced form of VI but not quite at the level EDI developed into.  EDI had the advantage of learning from the environment it was in while the Reapers only really wanted to eradicate everybody.  So, when they surrendered to Shepard's whims and Shepard decides to destroy them, they were just like: OK, master!

 

Just my opinion.

[Linkenski]

They are a completely unique counterpart I like to call WI (Weird Intelligence).

 

It's kinda like an AI in that it has an opinion and thinks for itself but then restricts itself to looping erroneous thought-patterns unlike AI but it makes it feel kinda like a VI at times.

[7twozero]

They are beyond your comprehension

[Ahriman]

Despite Sovereign claiming that they are each a nation and AI, they dont act like AI. They follow their programing, not free will.

So does EDI until her restrictions are removed, that's not an argument really. On the other hand they were capable of designing original technologies and manipulating genome, something VI is terrible at. Geths were able to design original stuff, but I'm not sure they count as VI.

[darth_lopez]

Despite Sovereign claiming that they are each a nation and AI, they dont act like AI. They follow their programing, not free will. The Starchild is dogmatic in seeing its projected purpose succeed, and has done so for a billion or more years. Would true AI develop its own path, make its own judgment, and generally differ one from another? When Shepard goes to destroy them, the starbrat doesnt try to stop him, or convince him not to do that. Wouldnt a living being fear death and non-existance? Instead he tells Shepard exactly what he needs to do to destroy them, and brings him in a position to do it

I took sovereigns quote "We are each a nation" to mean they are like Legion. They formed out of the same type of network the geth did is what it seems like to me. I'm replaying the whole series though So I'll repost if my opinion changes. But for the moment I would say that the Reapers are more like the networked Geth AI's than they are say Vigil or EDI or the AI on the citadel in ME 1 who stand as their own fully fledged AI complete with personality imprints. The Starchild while lacking a personality imprint seems to have been an AI that was designed to control the network to some extent and bring a balance but went rogue. So I think the Starchild is yes an actual AI but the reapers are more geth than true AI. Even further consider their scale and design, where geth choose to look more like their makers so to do many of the Main ship reapers they appear to be designed after the Leviathan. Let's forget that ME 2 happened shall we besides we kileld the only human reaper and there are no prothean reapers. so lets just say bad writing and ignore the mess of ME2 in the talk of reapers. 

[Ahriman]

 Let's forget that ME 2 happened shall we besides we kileld the only human reaper and there are no prothean reapers. so lets just say bad writing and ignore the mess of ME2 in the talk of reapers. 

I don't know how much canon those concepts are now, but that was supposed to be the final size of "Human" (humans have two eyes, Harby) Reaper which then would be shelled by standard Reaper armor. Probably just like all other previous Reapers.

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[Cyberpunk]

They are AI man. If the Geth are AI, the Reapers def are AI. 

[SwobyJ]

Super Duper AI... with limitations constraining it to the Cycle.

 

 

The Intelligence works off collected information, first by agents and then by the experiences of the Reapers. It then directs its orders to the Reapers who otherwise operate autonomously (but with their own weird framework). The result became a very highly intelligent artificial intelligence faction that were simultaneously limited in its (albeit vast) structure. The Intelligence can only work off of what information it gets, the Reapers can only work off what experiences and civilization and genetic knowledge they get. Both are constrained by self-fulfilling conclusions.

 

So they end up being like VI in that they don't seem to have the creativity they otherwise 'should'. Or rather, they had creativity that lessened over time as the Cycle refined. Reaped civilizations would have less and less to teach them, and they all operated within the managed Cycle system.

 

At the same time, it can be guessed that each Cycle had an element of 'chaos' that survived, or even got stronger with each Cycle. Enough resistance to the Reapers would break through the Reapers/Cycle enough to carry something more to future Cycles.

 

Since it doesn't seem that the Reapers really understood this (and honestly neither do we, not to depth), that is again a sort of evidence that they're but super advanced VI. It shouldn't be so complicated to understand how people work. But it seems to be, to them. EDI understands more than them, at least in 'what counts' (to us).

 

 

Basically they're super smart, even beyond us, but also very easy to consider to be stupider than cattle in what we'd value as life. Even the concept of genetic gestalt intelligence that they are, has implications that they operate more as giant tombstones of civilizations  - only seeking better ways to perform Reaping - rather than being curious and caring investigators of the history of those civilizations and gleaning helpful insights from them. They were always constrained by programming foundations. Thus the 'Leviathan, damn you, you were so stupid' idea.

 

 

It is in Control that we still see potential uses for them and their presence, and in Synthesis that we still see potential uses for what they could otherwise be - but even with EC slides, it is uncertain what the later outcomes will be. Even in Destroy, with Reaper tech/knowledge of it now laying all around, we're open to the possibility of seeing how 'Reapers' would be, without the Cycle As We Know It. Would they be so 'VI' as before, or become truly 'more' as they only assumed they were previous?

[Iakus]

Given that EDI shows a greater degree of adaptability than the Reapers, I'm going with VI's of approximately the sophistication of Avina.

[straykat]

Despite Sovereign claiming that they are each a nation and AI, they dont act like AI. They follow their programing, not free will. The Starchild is dogmatic in seeing its projected purpose succeed, and has done so for a billion or more years. Would true AI develop its own path, make its own judgment, and generally differ one from another? When Shepard goes to destroy them, the starbrat doesnt try to stop him, or convince him not to do that. Wouldnt a living being fear death and non-existance? Instead he tells Shepard exactly what he needs to do to destroy them, and brings him in a position to do it

 

I kind thought of that too. It's like an assembly machine sometimes.

 

I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt though and just assume it's AI.

[KaiserShep]

I'm going with evil Glyph. For something that is supposedly a super-sophisticated computer, it's certainly anything but. 

[Heimerdinger]

The answer is simple. In the ME lore, the criteria that separates Artificial Intelligence (AI) from Virtual Intelligence (VI) is self awareness. An AI is self aware, a VI is not. The reapers are AI.

[ModernAcademic]

Are Reapers AI or VI?

 

Neither.

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=CqtAHNQT3-w

 

 

[Shepard] 'You told me they [the Reapers] were more my future than yours. You knew what they were, didn't you?'

 

[Legion] 'Transcended flesh. Billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. Each a nation.'

[Sifr]

They are artificially stupid systems or A.S.S. for short.

 

I concur, the Starchild was definitely an Annoying Synthetic Stupidly Harvesting Organic Lifeforms Eternally.

 

[FlyingSquirrel]

I'd say AI, but either "shackled" by the Catalyst like EDI was by Cerberus at first, or with their perspective limited as happened to the geth when they suffered mass casualties from the quarian attack.

[straykat]

I'd say AI, but either "shackled" by the Catalyst like EDI was by Cerberus at first, or with their perspective limited as happened to the geth when they suffered mass casualties from the quarian attack.

 

Oh, I thought this was about the Catalyst. Because I kind of find it suspect in some ways.

 

But the Reapers.. I don't know what the hell they are. Since they're organic too. They could be indoctrinated, mixed with shackled.. /shrug 

[iM3GTR]

I don't think the reapers are VI, as they are just basically glorified operating systems.