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[warlorejon]

Could the keepers have anything to do with help building the arcs so quickly? It was mentioned in me 2 by anderson how quickly they could repair the citadel.

[Spooch]

Probably not. ME1 mentions that if you interfere with a keeper they self destruct.

[Remix-General Aetius]

The keepers seem to be biologically linked only to the Citadel. That's why attempts to hassle them or tamper with them have proven unsuccessful and they self-destruct. You can't force or compel them to do anything. They don't respond to attempts at communication.

 

So 

[UpUpAway]

I say, why not.  The Prothean scientists on Ilos found a way to change how the keepers behaved in such a way that they would not respond to the Reaper signal, so I think it's possible that Bioware could say something like - Buried in the archives was also a method that could be adapted to prevent keepers from just self destructing and perhaps communicate with them enough to help with construction of the ARKs.  It would be a retcon... but I don't think it would be too much of a stretch of the current lore.

 

The thing is, it's practically inevitable that Bioware will have to do some sort of retcon to initiate ME:A... so, rather than people just shooting down everything that's suggested - Why not go with some small adaptations to the lore... like involving the keepers in ARK construction (and potentially maintenance) and giving them some purpose in the new series?  It's one more old MW species we could see carried over that way.

[warlorejon]

We also scanned the keepers in me1 maybe that gave us the info to change there programming

[Remix-General Aetius]

I say, why not.  The Prothean scientists on Ilos found a way to change how the keepers behaved in such a way that they would not respond to the Reaper signal, so I think it's possible that Bioware could say something like - Buried in the archives was also a method that could be adapted to prevent keepers from just self destructing and perhaps communicate with them enough to help with construction of the ARKs.  It would be a retcon... but I don't think it would be too much of a stretch of the current lore.

 

The thing is, it's practically inevitable that Bioware will have to do some sort of retcon to initiate ME:A... so, rather than people just shooting down everything that's suggested - Why not go with some small adaptations to the lore... like involving the keepers in ARK construction (and potentially maintenance) and giving them some purpose in the new series?  It's one more old MW species we could see carried over that way.

 

*rethinking it*

 

The Prothean scientists did NOT tamper with the Keepers themselves, they tampered with the CITADEL. And by extension, the Keepers themselves. Do you notice the common denominator here? Starts with a C and ends with L.

[dead_goon]

Could the keepers have anything to do with help building the arcs so quickly? It was mentioned in me 2 by anderson how quickly they could repair the citadel.

Why use the Keepers when you can use an army of industrial mechs that will work 24/7 with the kind of precision that only a machine can replicate, which would also explain the speed of the arcs construction, you could build them in pretty much no time at all using a modular system & a sizeable mech workforce that doesn't need rest breaks/food etc, work them till they break down, rinse & repeat till the job is done.

[ArcadiaGrey]

So basically you already had your mind made up and you're just wasting our time. I'll know to avoid your threads from now on.

 

And no, the Prothean scientists did NOT tamper with the Keepers themselves, they tampered with the CITADEL. And by extension, the Keepers themselves. Do you notice the common denominator here? Starts with a C and ends with L.

 

Yikes, he didn't start the thread, warlorejon did.   So UpUpAway95 was just giving his/her opinion on the topic.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Yikes, he didn't start the thread, warlorejon did.   So UpUpAway95 was just giving his/her opinion on the topic.

 

........I think I'm getting a grandma brain. I saw the other guy's username right below him and my mind's eye got scrambled.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I say, why not.  The Prothean scientists on Ilos found a way to change how the keepers behaved in such a way that they would not respond to the Reaper signal, so I think it's possible that Bioware could say something like - Buried in the archives was also a method that could be adapted to prevent keepers from just self destructing and perhaps communicate with them enough to help with construction of the ARKs.  It would be a retcon... but I don't think it would be too much of a stretch of the current lore.

 

The thing is, it's practically inevitable that Bioware will have to do some sort of retcon to initiate ME:A... so, rather than people just shooting down everything that's suggested - Why not go with some small adaptations to the lore... like involving the keepers in ARK construction (and potentially maintenance) and giving them some purpose in the new series?  It's one more old MW species we could see carried over that way.

 

Yup, either a retcon or a different interpretation of something we'd already seen.  It'll be almost unavoidable.

 

I don't know if I'd go with the Keepers as a way to build it, but it's an interesting thought.  More likely the council races with rachni and quarians no?  

 

Also the keepers mindlessly follow their instincts, not sure how you could convert that into a workforce.

[warlorejon]

Rachni are dead quarians to busy with there war and keepers are more familiar with advanced tech. Also as anderson said theywork amazingly fast. Also its obvious keepers can replace themselves and do better work than anything the alliance machines can do hence anderson talking about the keepers going behind them fixing there repairs. edit typosz

[iM3GTR]

Just ask Cerberus how they managed to create thousands of ships from thin air.

[thepiebaker]

Just ask Cerberus how they managed to create thousands of ships from thin air.

Sarcastic remark: Starforge, meatbag...

[UpUpAway]

*rethinking it*

 

The Prothean scientists did NOT tamper with the Keepers themselves, they tampered with the CITADEL. And by extension, the Keepers themselves. Do you notice the common denominator here? Starts with a C and ends with L.

 

Even though the tampering was done with the Citadel, it was the response of the keepers that changed.  Vigil says some like: This time when Sovereign sent his signal to the Citadel, "the keepers ignored it" (that is, they didn't throw a hissy over being disturbed by a now strange signal and blow themselves up); so, perhaps, if their response to "being disturbed" could be changed in others ways as well.  Perhaps they can communicate in some way after all.

 

I don't know what the problem is here.  Why is everyone so blatantly negative about absolutely every little thing that's suggested here?  If the developers listen to everyone here and watch that every single idea they could possibly have gets shot down, they're just never going to bother releasing ME:A. .. and we'll all be left with precisely nothing.

 

It's just one of many ideas that changes a little something about the lore.  This one is about a species that was built up and then never really utilized in the original lore... and they were kinda of cute... always working so diligently at their terminals in ME1, , slaughtering Krogan in the alleys (in LOTSB), and pushing Shepard around the Normandy Docks in ME3 (without blowing up I might add).  We saw their behavior changing (albeit slightly) throughout the ME Trilogy ... "yet we know so little about them."  I'd be game for a little retcon here just to have them in Andromeda with us.

[Hammerstorm]

Even though the tampering was done with the Citadel, it was the response of the keepers that changed.  Vigil says some like: This time when Sovereign sent his signal to the Citadel, "the keepers ignored it" (that is, they didn't throw a hissy over being disturbed by a now strange signal and blow themselves up); so, perhaps, if their response to "being disturbed" could be changed in others ways as well.  Perhaps they can communicate in some way after all.

 

I don't know what the problem is here.  Why is everyone so blatantly negative about absolutely every little thing that's suggested here?  If the developers listen to everyone here and watch that every single idea they could possibly have gets shot down, they're just never going to bother releasing ME:A. .. and we'll all be left with precisely nothing.

 

It's just one of many ideas that changes a little something about the lore.  This one is about a species that was built up and then never really utilized in the original lore... and they were kinda of cute... always working so diligently at their terminals in ME1, , slaughtering Krogan in the alleys (in LOTSB), and pushing Shepard around the Normandy Docks in ME3 (without blowing up I might add).  We saw their behavior changing (albeit slightly) throughout the ME Trilogy ... "yet we know so little about them."  I'd be game for a little retcon here just to have them in Andromeda with us.

 

I know it isn't relevant, but.................. how?

 

And I agree that it seems that the favorite game on bsn is "let's destroy this theory"

[UpUpAway]

I know it isn't relevant, but.................. how?

 

And I agree that it seems that the favorite game on bsn is "let's destroy this theory"

 

Those big bug eyes, those cute little backpacks... what's not to love.

[Monk]

The only concern i have about this is where the extra Keepers going to come from? There are a lot of Keepers, of unknown number, but that's to maintain a vessel several miles long. Maybe they pulled a small bunch from the "unknown" underbelly of the Citadel?

 

Considering they seemed to have built the Arks one at a time, it's a possible theory ("Hyperion" is docked, unlike the other two Arks which have been seen).

[Kabooooom]

The keepers seem to be biologically linked only to the Citadel. That's why attempts to hassle them or tamper with them have proven unsuccessful and they self-destruct. You can't force or compel them to do anything. They don't respond to attempts at communication.

So

She's so ridiculously hot.

[The Twilight God]

Probably not. ME1 mentions that if you interfere with a keeper they self destruct.

Like Mac "Ending Killer" Walters cares about lore consistency. If the relays all of sudden weren't even necessary for intergalactic travel after their idiotic decision to wreck them, why should something as minor as the keepers' codex stay consistent?

[Shadow Recon117]

Like Mac "Ending Killer" Walters cares about lore consistency. If the relays all of sudden weren't even necessary for intergalactic travel after their idiotic decision to wreck them, why should something as minor as the keepers' codex stay consistent?

didn't that get changed to where the relay's weren't trashed in the endings?

[DarthLaxian]

Probably not. ME1 mentions that if you interfere with a keeper they self destruct.

 

Well, not directly (keep it prisoner or stop it from working etc. and it dies), I mean the Protheans managed to stop them from responding to the Citadel-Relay activation signal (which would also have shut down the Relay-Network!)...still, they didn't do more (couldn't get them to build them a ship or something so that they could leave the Citadel and survive...at least that's what the game implies: Going to the Citadel was a one way trip for the scientists and their last gift to the next cycle (us!))

 

Still, it would be great (it would also be a great way to explain why the ships make it without failure (at least that's what I hope, waking up and finding that not all went according to plan is kind of too cliché - as in: It would be a great surprise if everything went well, at least at the start (we'll need everything - supplies, races etc. - in Andromeda, so I am hoping for a good start!))