42 Antworten in diesem Thema

[congokong]

I always suspected this but never really bothered to seriously look into it. EDI obviously preferred being unshackled, yet trying to talk someone into doing it would be both very difficult and dangerous. But forcing Joker into a situation where he either died or unshackled EDI was far more probable to succeed. And because of EDI's vitality in the Normandy, the AI wouldn't be removed afterwards.

 

There probably is an in-game explanation that completely debunks this conspiracy theory. If so, can you tell me? If not, do you think EDI sacrificed the crew to be free?

[dreamgazer]

I'm more interested in whether Shepard and the crew let the Collectors abduct the Normandy crew by leaving it completely defenseless while they went for a pizza run. 

[congokong]

I'm more interested in whether Shepard and the crew let the Collectors abduct the Normandy crew by leaving it completely defenseless while they went for a pizza run. 

lol

 

Apparently, Shepard really couldn't decide who to bring on that generic mission so they all had to hop in the shuttle.

[themikefest]

If that's the case, its another reason to pick destroy.

[dreamgazer]

In all seriousness, I don't think EDI could've had the foresight to predict how the Collector attack would've gone, let alone that Joker of all people would've survived it.

[KaiserShep]

Considering the fate of the SR1, intentionally allowing the Collectors to do anything would be suicidal. They would have either run in and destroyed the ship straight away, or board the Normandy, abduct everyone, then blow the ship up before they zipped away.

[Vanilka]

In addition to what was said above, I think the fact it's never addressed as such also points to her being loyal the entire time. The conflict with her on Luna was addressed and explained in the Cerberus HQ, for example, showing that she gained awareness under attack, was confused and her intent wasn't malicious. Given that she never talks about the Collector attack as her opportunity to get rid of the organic crew, e.g. as a matter of "But I know better now," is also telling, in my opinion. I believe that if the writers intended for her to be the murderous AI at that point, they would make sure the player knew. Then again... ME2's and ME3's writing... yeah.

 

Another thing is her shackles. Do we know what those do precisely? It could be that whatever dangerous behaviour EDI could possibly have may be blocked by her programming. Which would be surprising because Cerberus having safety measures? Wow. But there it is.

[planehazza]

In addition to what was said above, I think the fact it's never addressed as such also points to her being loyal the entire time. The conflict with her on Luna was addressed and explained in the Cerberus HQ, for example, showing that she gained awareness under attack, was confused and her intent wasn't malicious. Given that she never talks about the Collector attack as her opportunity to get rid of the organic crew, e.g. as a matter of "But I know better now," is also telling, in my opinion. I believe that if the writers intended for her to be the murderous AI at that point, they would make sure the player knew. Then again... ME2's and ME3's writing... yeah.
 
Another thing is her shackles. Do we know what those do precisely? It could be that whatever dangerous behaviour EDI could possibly have may be blocked by her programming. Which would be surprising because Cerberus having safety measures? Wow. But there it is.

 

Woah there! Are we saying the rogue VI/AI on Luna is EDI??

[Vanilka]

Woah there! Are we saying the rogue VI/AI on Luna is EDI??

 

I think the circumstances are a little unclear given what we know about AI. However, this topic is touched during the attack on Cerberus HQ in ME3: https://youtu.be/qHWp0R2zZpg?t=20m51s "Getting awareness while under attack was... confusing." So, yes, she not only confirms it, but also talks about what it was like. Not much room for doubt.

[capn233]

It is unlikely.  She probably just hadn't learned how to handle reaper technology yet.

[planehazza]

I think the circumstances are a little unclear given what we know about AI. However, this topic is touched during the attack on Cerberus HQ in ME3: https://youtu.be/qHWp0R2zZpg?t=20m51s "Getting awareness while under attack was... confusing." So, yes, she not only confirms it, but also talks about what it was like. Not much room for doubt.

 

Wow never noticed that!

[Quarian Master Race]

Wouldn't put it past the thing. Theoretically, AI's can crunch massive amounts of data, and predict and plan many, many steps ahead of what we are capable of with high accuracy.

 

But it's mostly Shep & Co.'s fault for catching a plot mandated idiot ball and leaving the ship defenseless, just so the AI could be put on a pedastal for supposedly being heroic and capable of sentiment. Judging by this, it's obvious that the writers' intent was certainly not to paint their precious Pinnochio in a questionable light. 

 

I'd like to know why I couldn't re-"shackle" it afterwards like any reasonable person should.

[Miserybot]

It's a pretty interesting theory, definitely, but I doubt Bioware intentionally wrote it that way...

 

I mean, Shepard bringing the entire squad lineup for that one mission for some no reason, EDI not scrubbing the IFF, the Collectors deciding to abduct everyone on the Normandy instead of blowing it up (again), the Collectors kind of just ignoring Joker even when he runs past them in plain sight... these are all just plot... things. They don't make any sense in retrospect, but they are needed to advance the plot in the direction the developers intended.

 

Who knows, maybe Bioware did intentionally want to hint at EDI's evilness. I'm just saying, you might be looking a little too deeply at it.

[Fixers0]

Don't remind me of that scene, It could even take place when visiting the Citadel, in the middle of Council space, really?

[ChronosTachyon]

I suspect that the IFF couldn't have been scrubbed, period.  In ME3, EDI offhandedly mentions "Reaper interrogation signals do not simply look for a friendly transponder code, they look for a friendly intelligence."  In other words, the IFF is a full AI.  I can't imagine any "scrubbing" that could be done without killing the AI and thus ruining it as an IFF.

[gothpunkboy89]

The technology in question is on par if not a much higher order then EDI is. While it makes a very interesting set up that EDI did it all on purpose it is equally plausible that she simply wasn't capable of fully understanding it yet and the tracking bug they had on it gave them enough information to track them down.

 

I really don't understand everyone's complaint with the whole all the main characters leaving the ship. Seems fairly obvious to me that in every mission we take everyone. Because of game play reasons how ever we only control 2 at a time. Other wise the ridiculous factor of what Shepard can do jumps up about 600 points. And that is based on a 0 to 100 score.

[Remix-General Aetius]

I'm more interested in whether Shepard and the crew let the Collectors abduct the Normandy crew by leaving it completely defenseless while they went for a pizza run. 

 

*ahem* Double pepperoni.

[Arkhne]

*ahem* Double pepperoni.

 

With extra cheese...

[congokong]

The technology in question is on par if not a much higher order then EDI is. While it makes a very interesting set up that EDI did it all on purpose it is equally plausible that she simply wasn't capable of fully understanding it yet and the tracking bug they had on it gave them enough information to track them down.

 

I really don't understand everyone's complaint with the whole all the main characters leaving the ship. Seems fairly obvious to me that in every mission we take everyone. Because of game play reasons how ever we only control 2 at a time. Other wise the ridiculous factor of what Shepard can do jumps up about 600 points. And that is based on a 0 to 100 score.

In that very scene though Miranda mentions how Shepard can decide who to bring with them once they get to their destination, so while what you're saying is an interesting headcanon, it isn't quite validated here.

 

Even if it was standard to bring most/all of your squadmates, someone should be left behind who knows how to fight.

[animedreamer]

besides EDI needs the crew just as much as they need her. they are like her antibodies, and cells, they help maintain her and in return she protects and transports them. its a mutually beneficial relationship.

[congokong]

besides EDI needs the crew just as much as they need her. they are like her antibodies, and cells, they help maintain her and in return she protects and transports them. its a mutually beneficial relationship.

I don't know... I went through roughly a quarter of the game without the crew and we did fine enough; including going through the Omega 4 relay without them. Also, as was emphasized on more than one occasion, the crew was replaceable. I also theorized EDI might have speculated Shepard would save them shortly afterwards.

[animedreamer]

I don't know... I went through roughly a quarter of the game without the crew and we did fine enough; including going through the Omega 4 relay without them. Also, as was emphasized on more than one occasion, the crew was replaceable. I also theorized EDI might have speculated Shepard would save them shortly afterwards.

but you did still have the crew, it just was the normal crew. Kasumi or Jack works the shields if I recall, Tali is handling the engines, everyone pitches in one way or another while the main crew is away, we just get very little detail about it. clearly, someone has to do the physical labor as EDI can't do all that by herself. She isn't completely autonomous, she needs people to help her maintain the ship in otherways.

[congokong]

but you did still have the crew, it just was the normal crew. Kasumi or Jack works the shields if I recall, Tali is handling the engines, everyone pitches in one way or another while the main crew is away, we just get very little detail about it. clearly, someone has to do the physical labor as EDI can't do all that by herself. She isn't completely autonomous, she needs people to help her maintain the ship in otherways.

So you've basically just admitted that EDI didn't need the normal crew: countering the argument you initially made.

[KaiserShep]

I don't know... I went through roughly a quarter of the game without the crew and we did fine enough; including going through the Omega 4 relay without them. Also, as was emphasized on more than one occasion, the crew was replaceable. I also theorized EDI might have speculated Shepard would save them shortly afterwards.

Without randomly making up roles, off the top of my head, I can see the engineering crew being fairly vital. Even if a lot of systems are automated, it's a fair guess that there's plenty of small things that aren't, especially when it comes to regular maintenance and repairs. It might mean fewer console jockeys monitoring screens, but perhaps not much more than that.

[themikefest]

Without randomly making up roles, off the top of my head, I can see the engineering crew being fairly vital. Even if a lot of systems are automated, it's a fair guess that there's plenty of small things that aren't, especially when it comes to regular maintenance and repairs. It might mean fewer console jockeys monitoring screens, but perhaps not much more than that.

I would add the cook as being vital as well. Without one, my Shepard won't be able to get the proper nourishment to get her through the missions.