In hindsight, Do you think Hawke would of made for a better story as inquisitor?
In hindsight, Do you think Hawke would of made for a better story as inqusitor?
#1
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 08:45
#2
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 08:56
Nah, the story in DAI had much bigger problems than the protagonist.
Having Hawke or anyone else as hero wouldn't have changed much.
#3
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 09:12
I think Hawke only fits part of the story. Remember that only parts of the previous DA2 Exalted March expansion were folded into DAI. The resolving of the mage/templar issues and Corypheus? Sure. But I think the other stuff with politicking and also the build up of the Solas components suits the Inquisitor better. Hawke was never an Inquisitor-type of hero, they were a single person with a band of misfit friends that followed along.
That said, I think the Inquisitor could have benefited from a story that was crafted 100% for them, rather than having to pick up after Hawke in addition to their own stuff.
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#4
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 11:20
I think the wrapping up of the Hawke story could have been handled better but I don't think they would have made for a better Inquisitor. It made sense that the Divine might want Hawke to speak at the Conclave, since they could then give their own account of why they acted as they did, but I never really understood why they would be considered a suitable leader for her new law enforcement organisation, given the vary varied nature of the sort of person Hawke could be. For example, Hawke could still have been a pro-mage (even pro-Tevinter) power hungry blood mage as you played them. This was overlooked in the way they forced certain opinions on the character so it didn't seem so illogical that the Divine would have been looking to get them to lead it. The reason given at the end of DA2 for looking for Hawke also made more sense if Hawke really had been directly responsible for the downfall of the Circles. However, the events of Asunder proved this was not the case. What happened in Kirkwall caused unrest in the Circles but Wynne had still successfully argued against Fiona for independence at the last College meeting in Cumberland. It was the Divine's secret research and the events at the White Spire that caused the disintegration of the Circles and in view of that I failed to understand why the Divine considered Hawke would be a unifying influence. In Asunder and when talking with Vivienne it is clear that it is Anders that mages remember in connection with Kirkwall and likely Templars as well. The only person who seems think Hawke was important was Cassandra.
Besides which Hawke was never really our character, just someone whose identity we adopted for the duration of the game.
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#5
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 11:43
Hawke would have come to DAI with a lot of baggage, trying to incorporate that into the story of the Inquisition would have lead to a very tangled web indeed.
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#6
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 12:04
In hindsight, Do you think Hawke would of made for a better story as inquisitor?
No. I don't think that limiting players to an Andrastian human would have been a good thing, and Hawke wasn't well received by a lot of people (the developers even note that they considered not proceeding with the Dragon Age franchise after Dragon Age II in one of the interviews they did before Inquisition's release). It would have been better had the game fleshed out the racial options - Vashoth, Dwarven, Dalish. Things are pretty clunky because of how poorly it's handled in certain areas, so I think they made the right choice in the end by giving us a new character and different racial backgrounds to chose from, even though the execution of that choice wasn't really that good because the story is geared too much to an Andrastian human.
#7
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 12:15
#8
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 01:20
And even if I could picture them as the Herald of Andraste, I value having a new protagonist so much more. I like having that new perspective, I developing new relationships as this new person, figuring out how they think, how their background influences their decision-making... I might roll a Hawke "Trevelyan" Inquisitor for the lulz at some point, but that's as far as I care to explore that possibility.
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#9
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 01:53
I quite liked the Inquisitor, and I never felt the need for Hawke to come back in a major capacity.
Though for whatever reason the male Hawke VA got a lot better in Inquisition and more of that would have been nice.
#10
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 02:04
Don't know.
I would like to of heard more of Jo Wyatt's voice, especially as sarcastic Hawke, but on the other hand, AWR did an excellent job voicing femquisitor.
#11
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 02:24
With apologies to all of my friends who really wanted to play elves... yes, absolutely. I never liked the Inquisitor much, and getting to play Hawke reversing her fortunes from DA2, preferably with some old companions, would have been much more fun for me.
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#12
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 02:52
As has been noted, I think some parts of the story would have worked better with Hawke... and Merrill, for that matter. (And I would have killed to hear banter between Fenris and Bull, Solas and Merrill, Dorian and Fenris, etc.) But personally I can't picture Hawke as The Inquisitor. They were something of a scrappy failure hero, running around Sunnydale with their ragtag bunch of misfits. Being the Herald presents a whole different dynamic.
And even if I could picture them as the Herald of Andraste, I value having a new protagonist so much more. I like having that new perspective, I developing new relationships as this new person, figuring out how they think, how their background influences their decision-making... I might roll a Hawke "Trevelyan" Inquisitor for the lulz at some point, but that's as far as I care to explore that possibility.
I think Merrill's inclusion would have made certain aspects of the story work much better, too, since she was previously established as someone who was well versed in elven lore (as the First of Clan Sabrae) and the Eluvians.
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#13
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 03:18
With apologies to all of my friends who really wanted to play elves... yes, absolutely. I never liked the Inquisitor much, and getting to play Hawke reversing her fortunes from DA2, preferably with some old companions, would have been much more fun for me.
That's how I feel. I don't like the Inquisitor at all and think they're the dullest protag BW has ever created. Oddly, the Inquisitor did make me appreciate my Wardens more.
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#14
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 03:37
No - my Warden would have though for sure!
#15
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 03:48
No. Hawke is already praised by everyone s/he meets as being the most amazing super-special-awesome person to ever exist next to Cousland, despite not doing anything (intentionally) fantastic. Being named head of the Inquisition after being a glorified errand boy/girl would have just raised Hawke of godlike sue status.
Plus, I'm kind of tired of everyone trying to condense all the most influential people in Thedas down to a few characters. "Shartan was really Solas." "Sera is really Andruil." "Hawke and my Amell are cousins." "I tried to make it so my Amell and Hawke and Trevelyan are all related." I really, really, really hate this idea that only a select special few can be fantastic, while everyone else is just background fodder to bang on about how awesome you your protagonist is.
I like that the Inquisitior is a different person from Hawke and can be from different races and backgrounds because it fits my story/philosophy, that greatness can come from anywhere by many different people; not just two people or a few "special" families.
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#16
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 04:27
In hindsight, no. I love Hawke, but I would not trade playing her again for playing my canon elven Inquisitor. Playing an elf in Inquisition was a phenomenal, if occasionally flawed, experience.
#17
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 05:14
I think Merrill's inclusion would have made certain aspects of the story work much better, too, since she was previously established as someone who was well versed in elven lore (as the First of Clan Sabrae) and the Eluvians.
But then those who romanced Morrigan would get the Zevran treatment: Just a codex entry.
So I selfishly must say that I prefer it the way they did.
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#18
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 05:16
Rebel Hawke + Anders for the Inquisition!
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#19
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 05:16
But then those who romanced Morrigan would get the Zevran treatment: Just a codex entry.
So I selfishly must say that I prefer it the way they did.
My Surana Warden romanced Morrigan.
#20
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 06:17
No. It would make no sense to begin with. Hawke's crimes and general idiocy are casually glossed over in Inquisition, imagine if we'd actually have to carry them over and take a moment to address them as the protagonist.
Cassandra thinks an apostate blood mage who made a deal with a demon to possess a Dreamer, believes in Anders wholeheartedly, and sided with the mages is an ideal candidate for Inquisitor? All of that isn't even accounting for every moronic decision Hawke is forced to make regardless of what you feel they should do. Imagine if we'd have to confront Empress Celene as Hawke and tell her that the deal with the Tal-Vashoth went off the rails because Tallis is a pretty elf. ![]()
#21
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 06:24
No. It would make no sense to begin with. Hawke's crimes and general idiocy are casually glossed over in Inquisition, imagine if we'd actually have to carry them over and take a moment to address them as the protagonist.
Cassandra thinks an apostate blood mage who made a deal with a demon to possess a Dreamer, believes in Anders wholeheartedly, and sided with the mages is an ideal candidate for Inquisitor? All of that isn't even accounting for every other moronic decision Hawke is forced to make regardless of what you feel they should do. Imagine if we'd have to confront Empress Celene as Hawke and tell her that the deal with the Tal-Vashoth went off the rails because Tallis is a pretty elf.
However Cassandra wanted him/her. Yes, this rebel, maybe blood mage apostate...
#22
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 07:43
The inquisitor is fine as is, but I wish Hawke played more of a role/ had more dialogue. Not really as an advisor, but definitely something more than what we saw.
Otherwise, he pretty much lacked "power" whether or not he's a mage or templar, he seems (to me) to not have much sway to them. He could be viscount of Kirkwall, only to be kicked soon after.
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#23
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 08:03
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#24
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 08:56
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#25
Posté 03 juillet 2016 - 11:04
Well, my Hawke no. Mine was kinda messed up and bitter by the end of DA2. Her life is so bad it's almost comical, everything turns out badly apart from the Quanri and they were all lucky that didn't start a war. Varric not telling Cassandra where they were because they had been through enough fits and she would have told them to **** off anyway (at least until they knew it was Corypheus and even then they would refuse to lead an organisation). Making her inquisitor when she made several bad (and criminal) decisions, was in a relationship with the nutjob who started this (even if she did execute them) and wasn't exactly diplomatic before everything went to hell would be a stupid idea anyway.
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