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[phoray]

This is funny, cuz I was just having this line of thought the last two days.

Hawke didn't actually intend to release Cory. Actually killed him too. It was inevitable his freedom was gonna happen, it just happened to be Hawke who pulled the trigger of his release sooner. So. I've never actually felt that Cory was a villain that belonged to Hawke. I can see where Hawke would feel responsible, as humans are wont to do. So, I don't care that Hawke didn't figure out Cory's trick and kill him and to be honest, being called in as an expert on Corypheus was pretty weak reason to drag them back. As much as I liked reimagining Hawke and going on another adventure, I think Hawke only being mentioned in the War Table would have been just as satisfying to me.

I do feel like... there was a ten year ( in game) build up to a Wage Templar War that was anti climatic in it's resolution. That whole story line was swept under the rug. I'm not sure how Hawke would have been much help though; my Hawke ran off with Anders in both my play throughs. Maybe a Diplomatic Hawke who sided with the Mages and executed Anders? Would have been the only helpful version of Hawke in the negotiations. Because it was the Mages who felt they weren't being heard, the Templars felt unappreciated but they weren't unheard and didn't need a voice. The Seeker was supposed to be their voice. They had one already.

I think Hawke would have been a terrible choice for Inquisitor considering all that Hawke could have done in DA2. And I would have resented them making my anti hero into a hero.

I do want to add that Solas IS the villain of the Inquisitor, and I'll be ticked if I can't resolve that story arc with my Inquisitor

[ThePhoenixKing]

As someone who thought Hawke deserved a far better story than she got, having her as the Inquisitor certainly has its appeal. Her story in DA2 is basically one of endless failure, and you're left with the uncomfortable impression that Thedas would be better off had she simply died in any of the game's meaningless skirmishes. As the Inquisitor, Hawke would actually get a chance to win one for once, which her story desperately needed. Also, it would present an opportunity to follow up on the themes and ideas posed in DA2 in a meaningful and effective manner. The Mage-Templar War, for example, is pretty much wholly discarded in Inquisition after so much build-up, so it would have been nice to have it actually matter in the end.

 

More to the point, the Inquisitor is simply dull. For all the issues with the dialogue system in DA2, Hawke was at the very least engaging, and I did care about her fate and the relationships she had built over the years. It's rather telling for me that the only time I even remotely gave a damn about the Inquisitor or Inquisition was in Trespasser, when both were being threatened.

[GoldenGail3]

No, my Canon Hawke wouldn't had taken it seriously and would've laughed at Cassandra the moment she asked him to do so.

[Hazegurl]

I would have preferred my warden but would have gladly taken Hawke. Especially if he was made the leader of Kirkwall.  He had dealings with the mage/Templar conflict, dealings with the Qunari, dealings with Cory, With Flemeth et al.  It makes sense for people to turn to him with all of his experience rather than some noob with a magic hand. The IQ was just a special magic snowflake hand waving Protag and nothing more.  Only in Trespasser did he gain some level of substance.

 

Overall, I think Hawke got the more exciting story in the end rather than the one he would have had as IQ.  At least my Hawke did. He had to flee his home after Red Templars attacked him, been on the run while contacting another Grey Warden on the run, who just so happens to be the hero of River Dane, They work together to seek aid from an established organization while hiding out and dealing with danger at every turn.  Then after the fade he heads off to the Warden fortress which goes dark.  If BW gave me the option to ditch the rest of the IQ's story to follow Hawke I would have with no regrets.

[Tidus]

I never cared for a male Hawke so,my few attempts at playing DA:2 has been a female mage Hawke.

 

IMHO BW blew it. Hawke could have join the Inquisition as team member (with or without being a love interest) instead of Vivienne. A excellent trade off IMHO.

[Aliceeverafter]

no

 

a new hero for a new story.

 

bad idea to just import a character unless it's a continuing story like the Witcher series

[Neria Rose]

No.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I wish they'd made the Inquisitor less dull, but I don't wish Hawke had been the protagonist instead. I did actually like Hawke a lot, or at least I like my specific sarcastic Hawke. I know some people didn't like being crammed into individual personality types and I really do get it, but then the Inquisitor came out really dry and undeveloped the way they were, imo. Dialog options didn't have much personality, tone was so unchanging. It made it hard to get invested in him as an individual. 

 

I would still rather have the chance to play different races, though, especially considering all the context. It means more to me to play the "Herald" as a non-human outsider. The elven stuff means more to me when I play it as a Dalish Inquisitor. I do regret that I couldn't also experience it as a city elf, though. I think that would have been a really interesting perspective. Being limited to just Hawke would be not great, though. With having been an Amell, you're limited to being a human noble who may also be related to the HoF, depending on your game state. It's pretty heavy handed towards one possible angle you could play from. So, while the personality of the Inquisitor doesn't feel as fleshed out, I'd still take my options over getting pigeonholed into the "noble human insider" track. 

 

Although, really, I think Tevinter should look into some Amell stock more so than the south. They have some serious magic going on in that lineage. 

[BansheeOwnage]

I think Hawke only fits part of the story. Remember that only parts of the previous DA2 Exalted March expansion were folded into DAI. The resolving of the mage/templar issues and Corypheus? Sure. But I think the other stuff with politicking and also the build up of the Solas components suits the Inquisitor better. Hawke was never an Inquisitor-type of hero, they were a single person with a band of misfit friends that followed along.

 

That said, I think the Inquisitor could have benefited from a story that was crafted 100% for them, rather than having to pick up after Hawke in addition to their own stuff.

It should be noted, however, that some of the build up to "the Solas components" were originally destined for Hawke as well, such as the Temple of Mythal.

 

Anyway, I always felt like DA2 was Hawke's origin story, so I'd have liked to see more of them, and to have something good happen to them for a change. Also, I think it might have been neat to romance Cullen or Cass as Hawke, and I'd have liked Varric in Inquisition more if Hawke was still the protagonist.

 

Like others, I only really started to feel something for my Inquisitor during Trespasser. But what's done is done, so I'll just say that I hope Bioware continues the kind of writing they had in Trespasser (in terms of making the protagonist have a stake in things, be threatened, etc.), and that I can confront Solas as the Inquisitor to avoid a new protagonist "picking up after" them, as you put it.

[Catilina]

It should be noted, however, that some of the build up to "the Solas components" were originally destined for Hawke as well, such as the Temple of Mythal.

 

Anyway, I always felt like DA2 was Hawke's origin story, so I'd have liked to see more of them, and to have something good happen to them for a change. Also, I think it might have been neat to romance Cullen or Cass as Hawke, and I'd have liked Varric in Inquisition more if Hawke was still the protagonist.

 

Like others, I only really started to feel something for my Inquisitor during Trespasser. But what's done is done, so I'll just say that I hope Bioware continues the kind of writing they had in Trespasser (in terms of making the protagonist have a stake in things, be threatened, etc.), and that I can confront Solas as the Inquisitor to avoid a new protagonist "picking up after" them, as you put it.

I roughly agree, but for example what would with Hawke's love relationship? (I mean, if s/he did not kill him/her ...) Ergo mostly no romance in Inquisition for Hawke. Nor Cullen, nor Cassandra or any other.

[BansheeOwnage]

I roughly agree, but for example what would with Hawke's love relationship? (I mean, if s/he did not kill him/her ...) Ergo mostly no romance in Inquisition for Hawke. Nor Cullen, nor Cassandra or any other.

That's not insurmountable. Mass Effect added more romances onto existing ones each game. Plenty of people both continued old ones or tried new ones. That said, I'd expect fewer options than what we got. It doesn't matter now, but I hope that if they did that, they'd have picked at least Cullen and Cass for their connections to Hawke.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If someone likes to play failure simulator, sure.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Anyway, I always felt like DA2 was Hawke's origin story, so I'd have liked to see more of them, and to have something good happen to them for a change. 

I feel like this point brings out how differently people see Hawke vs the Inquisitor and why they would or wouldn't want their Hawke back. Personally, I'm really happy with how things ended for my Hawke and he seemed happy when he and the Inquisitor parted. I feel like he already basically got a good ending. It's my Inquisitor that I think got screwed from every angle. But Hawke, he's happy with his LI, Carver is still alive, he made several close friends and obviously still maintains a friendship with his bro Varric. For me, it seems like bringing Hawke back would have just screwed up a good thing rather than open up any new opportunities for happiness. On the other hand, I feel like my Inquisitor is sitting around permanently disfigured without really ever making any of the close connections Hawke made. He was betrayed by close friends, discovered his culture was a lie, but nobody believed him when he contradicted Andrastrian beliefs even concerning himself, he lost his arm, and was forced to disband the Inquisition after pouring everything into it. Now he's basically alone. Pretty depressing, tbh. 

 

So.. I guess it's just how you look at the choices and how your canon formed connections? For me, I can kind of see a "give me another chance to fix this mess" story from the Inquisitor, but Hawke I was happy with being a one and done. I'm not that attached to getting the Inquisitor back, though. It's too late for that with the arm thing and I don't really like the idea of a split protagonist game. I'd be perfectly happy with it if they never repeat a PC.

[TheJediSaint]

No, I think in hindsight, DA2 should've had six months more development time.

[straykat]

I think Hawke would have made an interesting "first" inquisitor, while you were just an agent the first half of the game... you'd still be running the Hinterlands and all that stuff. That part wouldn't change. Actually, it would change. I'd make it fun. But whatever.... that's beside the point.

 

Having an Inquisitor Hawke might've given a neat spin on Here Lies the Abyss (albeit with some changes). Or maybe some crazy mashup of Abyss and Haven Maybe there could be a coronation scene like the original game, but it'd be after these events.

[KaiserShep]

I love Hawke, but my issue isn't so much with Hawke but how they would handle all those companions we'd inevitably leave behind, save Varric. I refuse to accept Hawke as protag without Izzy to provide her usual banter. 

[Catilina]

[...]

Good point.

[Sah291]

Maybe...I certainly wanted Hawke back, and didn't like fighting Corypheus as a different protagonist. But, the story would have necessarily turned out different overall. The Inquisitor seemed to finally come into their own by the end of the game, and especially in Trespasser.

What I really would have preferred if I had a choice would have been the DA2 expansion being made as planned, to close out those personal story lines... and then probably a fresh protagonist for DAI, but that wasn't in the cards.

[straykat]

Maybe...I certainly wanted Hawke back, and didn't like fighting Corypheus as a different protagonist. But, the story would have necessarily turned out different overall. The Inquisitor seemed to finally come into their own by the end of the game, and especially in Trespasser.

What I really would have preferred if I had a choice would have been the DA2 expansion being made as planned, to close out those personal story lines... and then probably a fresh protagonist for DAI, but that wasn't in the cards.

 

Mostly, this is what I wanted too. The expansion.

 

But inquisitor Hawke is kind of cool to think about.

[Vanilka]

For me? No. I've never been a big fan of Hawke to begin with. I know the Inquisitor is not flawless, but I prefer them, their writing, and the options we've got by far. Moreover, the content fits them better, in my opinion. I also like that we get a different protag every game.

 

The game's flaws aren't so much in the protagonist as its use of resources anyway. Had they used more development time working on and realising the story, instead of making humongous (albeit beautiful) areas with filler content, that's what would've made the story better.

[straykat]

For me? No. I've never been a big fan of Hawke to begin with. I know the Inquisitor is not flawless, but I prefer them and the options we've got by far. I like that we get a different protag every game, too.

 

The game's flaws aren't so much in the protagonist as its use of resources anyway. Had they used the development time working on and realising the story, instead of making humongous (albeit beautiful) areas with filler content, that's what would've made the story better.

 

The story was doomed when they canceled the expansion. And i don't even know what it was, totally. But I know that Gaider was sad when talking about it....even after DAI was released. So that's enough for me.

[Sah291]

Mostly, this is what I wanted too. The expansion.

But inquisitor Hawke is kind of cool to think about.

I've read some fics with it done, and it could have been interesting. Imagine the drama with the whole mage rebels and templars or wardens if Bethany or Carver had been involved with one of those groups, etc.

[Vanilka]

The story was doomed when they canceled the expansion. And i don't even know what it was, totally. But I know that Gaider was sad when talking about it....even after DAI was released. So that's enough for me.

 

I don't know. I like the story, to be honest. I've had a great time. I just think it still needed more story, more fleshing out, and less pointless questing and grind. (I know that's sadly not your case.)

 

It's hard for me to judge the never realised expansion since I don't have much of an idea what it was supposed to be about, besides what I've read here on the forums... which wasn't much. Something, something, Temple of Mythal, Varric could die. (Yet another optional content with significant plot changes.)

[LadyofClockwork7]

I have somewhat mixed feelings about the idea of Hawke being the Inquisitor instead of, well, the Inquisitor. 

 

On the one hand, I really liked Hawke's inclusion in "Here Lies The Abyss" if it ends with Hawke being left in the Fade, because it corresponds nicely with Flemeth's advice during Merrill's recruitment quest in DA2. I liked the tie-in with the red lyrium, and of course Corypheus. It makes DA2 seem more epic than it did before Inquisition came out. It was fun for me to see more of Snarky Hawke, hear about what my old companions were up to, and see them interact with Varric again.

 

Having said that I thought Hawke's appearance in DAI in general, or at least the explanation behind it, was kinda lame. "Oh yeah turns out Varric was just lying to Cassandra all along, he knew where Hawke was and what they were up to." I get that it's in character for him to do so but I liked the mystery behind both the Warden and Hawke disappearing and was hoping their synchronised vanishing had some sort of ominous plot significance. A cure for the Calling is interesting as far as plotlines go, if it ends up being more relevant beyond being an excuse to keep Dragon Age's silent protagonist out of the picture. Time will tell with this one.

 

As for Hawke being in the Inquisitor... I'm happy they weren't and we got Cadash/Adaar/Trevelyan/Lavellan instead. I loved my Inquisitor, and I loved being able to play a dwarf again. I'm happy with Dragon Age having a new protagonist with new casts of characters in different places each time. It's a good system and leaves more creative freedom for Bioware and ultimately keeps things fresh for the players too.

[Reznore57]

I think Hawke Inqui would have been really good for potential drama , but there would have been multiple drawbacks.Obviously being stuck with Hawke for people who didn't like Hawke that would have sucked , for people who wants to play others races or less defined hero too.

 

Potential drama is Hawke could have been pissed off at Cassandra , Leliana , and Cullen right from the get go .Cassandra was a seeker , her job (and the job of her peers ) was to take care of Kirkwall before things got out of hands.Leliana was the left hand of the Divine , and came to Kirkwall to see what was going on , and then left and there was no help on the way either.Cullen stay with Meredith pass her breaking point .

So everything Chantry related , like the Seekers , electing a Divine , being called a heretic could also have added salt on the wound.

 

Then Hawke status as an heretic Inquisitor/Herald of Andraste , Hawke already got a title "Champion" and sure he got a medal and it was shiny , but it didn't change the fact that he wasn't really able to save Kirkwall from destroying itself , and mostly his title meant everyone assume all was his fault.So another layer of drama beyond am I holy? am I an heretic?

 

If Varric was still a companion , I imagine the friendship could have gotten even more meaningful or things could have gone a bit sour.

Varric blame himself for what happened Corypheus , Red Lyrium etc...Hawke was Varric partner in crime so you could get an interesting dynamic.Cheer friend up , being broody  with him or being angry because if Varric is guilty then so is Hawke.

 

Like noted above red lyrium and Corypheus , Hawke had an hand in that so watching both destroy southern Thedas would have been more dramatic.

Then you have Corypheus targetting mages , templars and wardens .Hawke can have a circle mage sibling or templar or warden and killed by the Blight.So he can have something personal against Cory ...also Cory tricked him after Hawke beat him to a pulp.So they could both taunt each others.

Speaking of Cory and Hawke , they both release the Blight by accident .

So antagonist and protagonist could have gotten more stuff to talk about beyond "I am a god mouhahaha" "I will destroy you Coryphanus!"

 

Hawke was also involved in the mage/templar war , in Flemythal rebirth , in an Eluvian sub plot , imagine if Hawke after drinking from the well could have turned into a dragon....that's what sarcastic Hawke wanted in life from the get go.