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[SogaBan]

Assuming the scenario that the Andromeda initiative was undertaken as a contingency plan by the council and/or the other races of the current cycle, in case the galaxy gets overwhelmed by the Reapers' invasion and the Crucible fails to deliver the retribution - it just came to my mind that - if the races of the present cycle can think of this escape-vis-a-vis-exploration initiative like this - is it irrational to speculate that the dominant races of the previous cycles (the protheans, the innusanons, etc.) might have also undertaken similar initiatives (it ain't so hard to imagine this, given the fact that the protheans did considered Ilos probably as one of their contingency programmes; and while I am on this topic I just can't help myself  without wondering whether some stray Innusanons took refuge there too, considering the statues we see in the Mass Effect).

 

May be I am stretching the lore a bit too far, nevertheless thoughts?

[SofaJockey]

...wondering whether some stray Innusanons took refuge there too, considering the statues we see in the Mass Effect).

 

Wasn't that 'cover-lore' to address some flaky plotting?

 

On topic: Anything's possible, that doesn't make it good writing  .

[SNascimento]

Well, if we did it, the Protheans could certainly have done the same. And considering I've seen a lot of posts saying traveling to Andromeda is not really that difficult with Mass Effect technology, then many of the previous cycles could have done it as well I suppose.

Indeed, if the Arks were actually built by us, I do believe why we don't meet many of the previous Milk Way civilizations in Andromeda is something that should be addressed. And maybe it is. Or maybe we do actually meet them. Who can tell?

[SogaBan]

... why we don't meet many of the previous Milk Way civilizations in Andromeda is something that should be addressed...

 

I have been wondering that myself too. Too many loose ends to address, once again - the way I see it... (I am not being pessimistic, mind that). Either that. Or the 'creative' writers don't give a crap about our questions/curiosities. Yet, I will be holding my breathe shamelessly...

[PunchFaceReporter]

I think, like a lot people, that the Remnants could infact be the Prothean race.

This is the definition of remnants - a part or quantity that is left after the greater part has been used, removed, or destroyed.

If this is true it could be interesting as its been so long they may hardly resemble the original prothean. Also the leak said we would be exploring Remnant ruins. They may of even built another empire over the years and died out due to the time scale.

[PunchFaceReporter]

I have been wondering that myself too. Too many loose ends to address, once again - the way I see it... (I am not being pessimistic, mind that). Either that. Or the 'creative' writers don't give a crap about our questions/curiosities. Yet, I will be holding my breathe shamelessly...

If the Hyperion Theory is true and there are 12 Arks, I believe they may of not wanted to put all their eggs in one basket and sent the Arks in different directions. That way they can use the excuse that the "insert race here" isn't in the game because of that reason. It also gives them a reasonable way of reintroducing the minor MW races in other ME instalments.

[Fogg]

Two days a go someone started the exact same thread:

 

https://forum.biowar...t-the-first-ai/

[SogaBan]

If the Hyperion Theory is true and there are 12 Arks, I believe they may of not wanted to put all their eggs in one basket and sent the Arks in different directions. That way they can use the excuse that the "insert race here" isn't in the game because of that reason. It also gives them a reasonable way of reintroducing the minor MW races in other ME instalments.

 

 

Two days a go someone started the exact same thread:

 

https://forum.biowar...t-the-first-ai/

 

If this ARK theory and/or Hyperion theory hold(s) true - isn't it also rational to infer that the race of the sentient machines are also aware of this (judging by the fact they have by now predicted the nature of organic minds) and probably have their siblings (for the lack of better terms) sent to other galaxies too?

It becomes an endless loop of hopelessness and despair and destruction (not that the reapers are inherently dangerous but their modus operandi has long past the point of technological singularity and is incomprehensible for the organics), when I come to think of it - reminds me of cosmicism - my thoughts, though!

[themikefest]

Its possible.

[SogaBan]

Its possible.

 

Just being curious - will it be the same old wine in a new bottle? 

[SKAR]

I sort of hope not. I want to cut those ties from the MW. All new races baby!

[Monk]

The probability, i would imagine, would be seemingly low. Much like with Omega 4 Relay ships, many which were archaic and beyond recognizable by plane-nerd Joker, traveling elsewhere is most likely. However, it's also likely many of the dominant Andromedan species at the time they landed wouldn't have appreciated the new contact so would have blew them out of the sky. Or, having successfully landed and adapted, might have died out in the mean time, as PunchFaceReporter suggested. The Leviathan are one of the few species to have lived as long and mentioned millions of years having passed since their creation of the Catalyst (too lazy to look up the more accurate number ).

[Statare]

I have a feeling, if (big if) the writers acknowledge the probability that many past cycles tried to flee to Andromeda, that somehow the Remnant will be the plot solution to that problem. Either they eliminate MW survivors for reasons, or they were MW survivors eliminated by something else, and are a Red Herring.

[Spectr61]

If by "past races of the Milky Way" you mean "past species of the Milky Way",

then the probability is high of running into some fragment of a past Milky Way Galaxy species.

Too good and easy of a story line for them not to explore, if not in this game, then in the sequels.

[Shadow Recon117]

Only reason humans had warning about reapers, which is probably reason to head for andromeda is because of prothean beacons. Not saying it's impossible for past cycles to have messages from cycle before them, but highly unlikely. If no warning then past species have no reason to head for andromeda

[Sartoz]

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You're talking about a 50k year cycles, here. I really doubt any civilization lasts that long without encountering a better predator than themselves. Plus, I don't believe the Protheans thought of it. Wasn't Javik their leader before things went to pot? What did they do?.. stuck their heads in sand and opted to sleep in stasis pods until the threat was over. Personally, I see no value to the story for Bio to include Protheans or any other MW race from the past 50k yr. cycle or more.

 

Here is an excellent opportunity for the writers to come up with "something new" and told in such a way to give the writers freedom to move the Andromeda "civilizations" in any way they wish and avoid painting themselves into a corner like ME3.

[kathic]

Normally the Reapers achieve total surprise, take out the government of a Cycle and gain access to most, if not all, of their secrets. Indoctrination also helps to flesh out any secret plans a Cycle may have. The fact that the Andromeda project succeeds at all is a miracle. Other species may have had the same idea but that doesn't mean many, if any, were able to accomplish it.

[SogaBan]

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You're talking about a 50k year cycles, here. I really doubt any civilization lasts that long without encountering a better predator than themselves.

 

Plus, I don't believe the Protheans thought of it. Wasn't Javik their leader before things went to pot? What did they do?.. stuck their heads in sand and opted to sleep in stasis pods until the threat was over.

 

Personally, I see no value to the story for Bio to include Protheans or any other MW race from the past 50k yr. cycle or more.

 

Here is an excellent opportunity for the writers to come up with "something new" and told in such a way to give the writers freedom to move the Andromeda "civilizations" in any way they wish and avoid painting themselves into a corner like MR3.

 

I am not exactly sure why there should be an extinction terminus for every race/species - whether it's a 50K years cycle or more. The Leviathan are a proof of this. At this point I can only speculate - given the favourable and reaper-less situation(s) - they might still have been the Apex race of the galaxy. However, I do agree with your point - "without encountering a better predator than themselves" it's actually quite probable.

 

As for Javik (and the Prothean race, in general) - "burying themselves inside cryo pods" was just one contingency, one other such being the escaped scientists taking refuge at Ilos. Is it impractical to assume that they didn't have other plans for their civilization to continue?

 

I do agree - nobody likes to see the same old story/plot/theme in a new set-up. But I was just pointing out that the possibility is quite high.

[SogaBan]

Only reason humans had warning about reapers, which is probably reason to head for andromeda is because of prothean beacons. Not saying it's impossible for past cycles to have messages from cycle before them, but highly unlikely. If no warning then past species have no reason to head for andromeda

 Care to explain please - why it was "highly unlikely"?

 

Even T'Soni prepared a vault/device with a message inside it for the next cycle, in case everything (crucible, etc.) goes south... And it ain't a rocket science considering the in-universe state of scientific advancements.

[Arcian]

If this is true it could be interesting as its been so long they may hardly resemble the original prothean.

H*omo sapiens sapiens has remained virtually unchanged since we first arose 200,000 years ago. 50,000 years is not even remotely enough time for noticeable genetic variances to arise in the protheans. If they escaped to Andromeda, they will look exactly like Javik, barring some insignificant mutations equivalent to the appearance of blue eyes in humans 7,000 years ago.

EDIT: Jesus Christ, this profanity filter is retarded.

[fchopin]

If stupid humans can do it then any past race could also do it.

[SKAR]

If stupid humans can do it then any past race could also do it.

You do realize you're human right? Does that mean you're stupid? I'd think so.

[Shadow Recon117]

Care to explain please - why it was "highly unlikely"?

Even T'Soni prepared a vault/device with a message inside it for the next cycle, in case everything (crucible, etc.) goes south... And it ain't a rocket science considering the in-universe state of scientific advancements.

I said unlikely becaus not every cycle had a warning from the previous cycle. ME1-3 cycle had prothean warning. Refuse ending race had liaras message. However protheans had no warning and were caught completely off guard. It honestly depends on how many races bioware decided had warnings from previous cycles. Otherwise it's probably impossible to build an ark ship during reaper purge considering it would take a considerable amount of time and resources to build an ark ship, that can't be spared while fighting reapers

[DextroDNA]

I still think the Protheans are gonna make an appearance in Andromeda. I keep thinking back to that image from E3 2015 of the Galaxy Map with a Javik-looking guy on the right of the map.

 

They properly introduced the Protheans with one character in ME3 and i think they might want to expand on them a bit more now. Now we've seen one, we're gonna see a few more. After all, the Prothean mystery was always a big lore point in Mass Effect.

[Sartoz]

If stupid humans can do it then any past race could also do it.

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Not necessarily.

Alien evolutionary paths  could tie the species to their home world and cannot even conceive of moving elsewhere. I point out the Alcor .

From the Mass Effect Wiki: Elcor move slowly, an evolved response to an environment where a fall can be lethal. This has colored their psychology, making them deliberate and conservative.

 

We "stupid" humans can think of more than a half a dozen ways to kill another human....easy. Another alien species could be bound by a strict honour system that requires the aggressor to meet the intended in a combat arena and cannot even think of "cheating". 

 

Thus, certain social / mental psychologies can prevent certain races to stay instead of fleeing.

 

Just sayin'