27 Antworten in diesem Thema

[dan109]

I have all the DLC purchased and just got to Skyhold. I know Trespasser is after the story but what about the other two? In DA2 and ME3 you could theoretically play the DLC after the ending, but that didn't make much sense storywise. Is it the same here, or can they be played whenever? Also, should I do Jaws first, then the Descent, or is there no difference? NO SPOILERS PLEASE.

[Pokemario]

You can play them whenever you want, and you even get exclusive dialogue depending on when you play them (though Descent only has one line that differs depending on whether you play it before or after the final mission).

Personally, I like playing Jaws Of Hakkon after the story and The Descent before it ends.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I like playing JoH during, and Descent after, the main event. Just goes to show...

[ArcadiaGrey]

You can do whatever you like really, but in my case I got super frustrated with JoH.

I left it until after the main campaign, but before Trespasser.  I was desperate to go play Trespasser and found myself rushing through JoH just so I could get to it.  Also, Skyhold gets buggy after the main game is over and you can't chat to followers anymore.

 

I decided that next time I'm starting The Descent and JoH earlier on, and treating them like other zones.  If I get bored of them (I got very bored in The Descent) I can leave and go do something else for a while.  Then at the end I can do the final quest and immediately head for Trespasser.

 

Many other people would entirely disagree and say that as Trespasser is set 2 years after the final quest, they like to do the 2 DLCs in that gap as it shows what the IQ got up to in the interim.

 

Oh, and do them in any order, it doesn't matter.  Note that they're self levelling, so whatever level you are the difficulty will work around you.  

[Melbella]

Oh, and do them in any order, it doesn't matter.  Note that they're self levelling, so whatever level you are the difficulty will work around you.

 

I think this is only true of Descent, actually, which makes it a bit easier to play it at a lower level. I still would recommend at least 16 or 17 to start, however. The farther down you go, the tougher the enemies get, so you can leave and come back later if you want. Also, the best gear you find there usually has a required level of 19 or higher, so if you want to use it right away, again you will have to wait until you reach a higher level.

 

JoH enemies are always min level 20, I believe, (and they are massive cheaters ) so that one is better to wait until you can match their level, especially on higher difficulties.

 

I like to play Descent during the main game, since the reason you are there is very relevant to the effectiveness of the Inquisition (in theory) and save JoH until after defeating Cory.

 

Spoiler

If you want Solas in your party for either, do them before the final fight since he won't be available otherwise. Everyone else will be, as long as you recruit them and, if either Cass or Viv are named Divine, you talk to them to get them back into your party.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I think this is only true of Descent, actually, which makes it a bit easier to play it at a lower level. I still would recommend at least 16 or 17 to start, however. The farther down you go, the tougher the enemies get, so you can leave and come back later if you want. Also, the best gear you find there usually has a required level of 19 or higher, so if you want to use it right away, again you will have to wait until you reach a higher level.

 

JoH enemies are always min level 20, I believe, (and they are massive cheaters ) so that one is better to wait until you can match their level, especially on higher difficulties.

 

I like to play Descent during the main game, since the reason you are there is very relevant to the effectiveness of the Inquisition (in theory) and save JoH until after defeating Cory.

 

If you want Solas in your party for either, do them before the final fight since he won't be available otherwise. Everyone else will be, as long as you recruit them and, if either Cass or Viv are named Divine, you talk to them to get them back into your party.

 

Ah okay, I thought JoH levelled too and was doable earlier on.

 

You might want to spoiler the last sentence as the OP didn't want spoilers.  Good point about he-who-must-not-be-named, didn't think about that.

[Melbella]

Ah, good point....done!

[sjsharp2011]

Ah okay, I thought JoH levelled too and was doable earlier on.

 

You might want to spoiler the last sentence as the OP didn't want spoilers.  Good point about he-who-must-not-be-named, didn't think about that.

Yeah I agree I tend to do them around lvl 20 anyway generally I start them either just befoer What Pried had Wrought or just after as I'm usuaqlly around lvl 20 by that point or close to it. Started Descent today earlier on although I'm currently lvl 19 atm but I'm almost at lvl 20 but the bit from the start of Descent up to the first camp is fairly easy so I sometimes get that bit done earlier. the only awkward part being that Ogre that comes charging at you at the start. But generally i wait till lvl 20.

 

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Haven't started JoH yet but I will do before I start the next section of Descent as I want that magic shield  Aegis of the rift power before I progress too far with Descent

[ArcadiaGrey]

Yeah I agree I tend to do them around lvl 20 anyway generally I start them either just befoer What Pried had Wrought or just after as I'm usuaqlly around lvl 20 by that point or close to it. Started Descent today earlier on although I'm currently lvl 19 atm but I'm almost at lvl 20 but the bit from the start of Descent up to the first camp is fairly easy so I sometimes get that bit done earlier. the only awkward part being that Ogre that comes charging at you at the start. But generally i wait till lvl 20.

 

Spoiler

Haven't started JoH yet but I will do before I start the next section of Descent as I want that magic shield  Aegis of the rift power before I progress too far with Descent

 

Urgh that damn ogre.  First time I played he suddenly jumped up to a ledge with a tiny bit of hp and just stayed there.  Had to reload.

[Heimdall]

Level-wise, JoH pretty much needs to be completed after the final mission or late game and I think it works better story wise to do it after. The impetus for the expedition is a bit of scholarly curiosity, it makes more sense as something to do after the threat has passed.

Descent level scales somewhat but becomes more difficult in the later part of the content. I prefer to do it after the final mission, because I treat it as something my Inquisitor did in the two year gap before Trespasser, but late game works too.

[themikefest]

I do  Jaws after having the ballroom dance followed by the descent dlc. I haven't played either one after the main game. I might one day

[phoray]

Descent at level 20, JoH after main game. The discussion you have with Scout Harding at the end of JoH is too good; I wouldn't want an edited version during the main game.

[DementedSheep]

How much dose  

Spoiler

Solas

say during the DLCS? because they (and Cole because of his insight) tend to give you a lot of extra info which is why I bring them along but of course they aren't available post game. 

[phoray]

How much dose  

Spoiler

Solas

say during the DLCS? because they (and Cole because of his insight) tend to give you a lot of extra info which is why I bring them along but of course they aren't available post game. 

 

Spoiler

Cole doesn't become unavailable ever? I liked him during JoH because of all the spirity stuff. I especially liked Sera during JoH. I've read they didn't give much content to that specific elf due to strong possibility of his lack of attendance but have no personal confirmation.

 

Non spoiler version is I like Cole and Sera for JoH. Varric even references characters from DA2 at one point.

[nightscrawl]

You can play either of them (mostly) whenever you want. JoH has a really high level requirement, while Descent has a large level range and can be started earlier.

 

Non-spoliery, the plot of Descent involves helping the dwarves with an incident that has interrupted lyrium production. The Inquisition gets the lyrium from the dwarves for its mages and templars, so you can use this to justify playing this during the main game; it's helping the Inquisition!

 

While you can play JoH during the main game, I don't think the plot (which I'm not going to get into) allows for it. You are essentially going off into the middle of nowhere to look for something. That's your sole reason for going to this place. The world is ending and you go tromping through the wilderness. You discover other stuff while there, but you don't get to that until you venture there. To me, it makes much more sense that this is a mission undertaken after Corypheus is defeated. There is also limited NPC dialogue that recognizes whether Corypheus is still a threat, or has been defeated.

 

Trespasser takes place two years after the main game. One reason for saving both of these DLC for post-game play is so your Inquisitor has something to do during those two years. I think it works out nicely for roleplay.

[Heimdall]

How much dose

Spoiler

Solas

say during the DLCS? because they (and Cole because of his insight) tend to give you a lot of extra info which is why I bring them along but of course they aren't available post game.

He gets very little additional dialogue, really just a line or two in JoH and nothing special in Descent.

[DementedSheep]

Spoiler

Cole doesn't become unavailable ever? I liked him during JoH because of all the spirity stuff. I especially liked Sera during JoH. I've read they didn't give much content to that specific elf due to strong possibility of his lack of attendance but have no personal confirmation.

 

Non spoiler version is I like Cole and Sera for JoH. Varric even references characters from DA2 at one point.

 

I didn't mean that Cole becomes unavailable, I just usually bring those 2 for the same reason. 

[Silvery]

I played all the dlc after I beat the game, since I did not get any of it until after I have already beaten the game in all of my playthroughs. The only thing I would say is that if you wait until after you beat the game you do not get to hear any of

Spoiler

Solas's dialogue and comments  

 

[Dai Grepher]

You should play them both afterward, but you can play either of them before the final battle. I recommend Jaws before Descent for the extra rift ability you get that can block projectiles attacks. But I think story-wise, both make more sense after Cory has been dealt with. Cory has no involvement in either one, so both feel more like distractions during the main part of the game.

Jaws feels more like an adventure for the whole Inquisition. An event in which it can prove its usefulness as an organization. Same with Descent, and the story still makes sense in relation to the Breach since Cory opened it a second time at the end of the game.

[sjsharp2011]

Urgh that damn ogre.  First time I played he suddenly jumped up to a ledge with a tiny bit of hp and just stayed there.  Had to reload.

yeah I managed to force him off the ledge in one of my playthrough's and killed him that way. Probably the easiest fight I did in that run.  But yeah had to do that myself yestreday

[ArcadiaGrey]

yeah I managed to force him off the ledge in one of my playthrough's and killed him that way. Probably the easiest fight I did in that run.  But yeah had to do that myself yestreday

 

Nice.  Where's singularity when you need it? 

[dan109]

So the consensus seems to be that after the game is preferable for both of them. That's what I'll do then, thanks everyone!

 

Also, do any party members offer significantly more dialogue/insight than others in any of the 3 DLCs? Someone said Cole, Sera and Varric for Jaws, but they're all rogues and I prefer to have 1 of each class in my party. Does one of them have more content than the other two? And does any other party member get anything special in any of the DLCs or are they all more or less the same? Again, no specific spoilers please, just general answers.

[Melbella]

Cass has extra dialogue during the final encounter in JoH, but that's really the only one I can think of. There isn't much extra dialogue from anyone in Descent, but I like Varric, Cole, Dorian, and Blackwall for the lines they do have. Cole is also good in JoH.

[dragonsteak]

My rule of thumb is to play story DLC after the main story's done.

[phoray]

So the consensus seems to be that after the game is preferable for both of them. That's what I'll do then, thanks everyone!

 

Also, do any party members offer significantly more dialogue/insight than others in any of the 3 DLCs? Someone said Cole, Sera and Varric for Jaws, but they're all rogues and I prefer to have 1 of each class in my party. Does one of them have more content than the other two? And does any other party member get anything special in any of the DLCs or are they all more or less the same? Again, no specific spoilers please, just general answers.

 

That was me. Most of the special Dialogue is at Stone Bear Hold. You can easily change companions at camp, walk in, talk to folks, walk back out, switch your companions to more appropriate balance for battle stuff... That's how I will do it next time I play. All the banter is normal stuff except at key points. 

 

I wouldn't do the end battle without Cass, she has multiple lines of interest. Solas and Dorian line is exactly the same information, so they are interchangeable.  And I valued a line Sera said after a certain conversation but if you want to go with only one rogue without any careful switching? Cole, cuz there is a lot of spirity stuff.

 

In conclusion: Bring Cass no matter what, and the rest are whatever for the major scenes at the final battle behind the wall. I like all the rogues's comments on the non major -Avvar people Stone Bear Hold- NPC chats.