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[Spirit Vanguard]

They do, or at least most do. For example, Josephine Montilyet has an Italian accent. 

 

Josephine has an Italian accent, but you're right that Feynriel's father, Zevran, and other Antivans have had Latin/Spanish accents and even used Spanish words (as Antivan words). Post-Inquisition, Antiva is supposed to have people with both Spanish and Italian accents.

 

Josephine does not sound Italian to me. I suppose that might depend on what type of regional Italian accent though, because she certainly doesn't sound like my (northern) Italian-born relatives.

[ModernAcademic]

I'm all for defeating racism. I'm also a feminist. 

 

Well, believe it or not, I know a handful of feminist friends who claim to hate racism...

 

...and yet have chosen to date a white male at every turn.

 

I know personal preferences have nothing to do with an important social issue, but it strikes me as odd how the idea of dating someone from a distinct ethnic group is never paramount in their minds, unless the ethnicity of the male is purely fictional (like elven, turian, Qunari, quarian, asf). 

 

So I personally don't judge people by their ideological positions. It never works. I prefer to evaluate them by the kinds of choices they make and their by their actions as well. Only then it's possible to have a good notion of a person's true beliefs.

[Christy]

You are right.

In DA most npc have the same model aside from a very restricted set of characters this was even confirmed in a post from Bioware.

It must have worked! I hardly noticed

 

Josephine has an Italian accent, but you're right that Feynriel's father, Zevran, and other Antivans have had Latin/Spanish accents and even used Spanish words (as Antivan words). Post-Inquisition, Antiva is supposed to have people with both Spanish and Italian accents.

They've certainly taken inspiration from several countries when it comes to Antiva and Orlais. The Spanish architecture in Val Royeaux caught me slightly off guard. Orlesians had been so stereotypical French up until that point.

 

The reason it was lacking in DAI is because maybe it was colder climates? That's what I'd think.

That might be

[Christy]

Josephine does not sound Italian to me. I suppose that might depend on what type of regional Italian accent though, because she certainly doesn't sound like my (northern) Italian-born relatives.

Interesting! Maybe we'll be more clear on Antivan culture in the future.

 

Well, believe it or not, I know a handful of feminist friends who claim to hate racism...

 

...and yet have chosen to date a white male at every turn.

 

I know personal preferences have nothing to do with an important social issue, but it strikes me as odd how the idea of dating someone from a distinct ethnic group is never paramount in their minds, unless the ethnicity of the male is purely fictional (like elven, turian, Qunari, quarian, asf). 

 

So I personally don't judge people by their ideological positions. It never works. I prefer to evaluate them by the kinds of choices they make and their by their actions as well. Only then it's possible to have a good notion of a person's true beliefs.

Dating white males does not make you a racist. Neither does dating white males as a girl make you a homophobe. To bring racism into who your brain wants you to procreate with is really strange to me. It's not like people can control who they find sexually attractive anyway. I have a friend from Chile who only finds guys who look Latin American sexy. She's a feminist and also not a racist. It's just her taste. She can date whoever she wants, it's her preference and it's her body. She doesn't think me a better or lesser person than her because I'm a blue eyed Scandinavian. We're equally good people despite our different tastes in men. Why would peoples sexual lives bother you anyway? I don't care who other people have sex with. Blondes, brunettes, black, white, men, women, I mean, who cares? Nobody's forcing you to do anything against your will. You wanna have a interracial relationship? Cool! Go for it. :-)

"So I personally don't judge people by their ideological positions. It never works. I prefer to evaluate them by the kinds of choices they make and their by their actions as well. Only then it's possible to have a good notion of a person's true beliefs." I can agree with you here to a point. If a person is saying that he or she isn't a feminist, though, for example, I', going to be a bit sceptical. I guess it's usually a case of not wanting to be labeled, or hearing about "feminists" who hate men. It could also mean that someone thinks you a lesser person because of your uterus of lack of it. I'm sure you would also be sceptical towards a person calling himself or herself a racist.

[sandalisthemaker]

There were quite a few NPC's of color in Origins, OP.

 

You need look no further than Lothering to encounter several.  The Chasind range from tan to dark skinned for example. So it's not like POCs appeared out of nowhere in Inquisition any way. 

[Christy]

There were quite a few NPC's of color in Origins, OP.

 

You need look no further than Lothering to encounter several.  The Chasind range from tan to dark skinned for example. So it's not like POCs appeared out of nowhere in Inquisition any way. 

I had completely forgotten about the Chasind in Lothering. How could I, with that one screaming dude?   You're right, though, I think there might have been more people of color in DAO than I assumed. I just didn't really notice it back then for some reason. Might have been the better graphics this time around.

[Krypplingz]

I had completely forgotten about the Chasind in Lothering. How could I, with that one screaming dude?   You're right, though, I think there might have been more people of color in DAO than I assumed. I just didn't really notice it back then for some reason. Might have been the better graphics this time around.

If you are just going by skin color then the Chasind aren't the only dark skinned people in Lothering. Danal the tavern keeper, Ser Bryant, Chanter Devons, the leader of Logains men in the tavern, Patter Gritch, two types of refugee women and two refugee men models, a customer in the tavern, a nameless chanter and a nameless templar all have dark skin (I think these all have the darkest one available in game). Then there are a few very tan people, like the bandit leader, the revered mother and Ser Marlon. 

[Christy]

If you are just going by skin color then the Chasind aren't the only dark skinned people in Lothering. Danal the tavern keeper, Ser Bryant, Chanter Devons, the leader of Logains men in the tavern, Patter Gritch, two types of refugee women and two refugee men models, a customer in the tavern, a nameless chanter and a nameless templar all have dark skin (I think these all have the darkest one available in game). Then there are a few very tan people, like the bandit leader, the revered mother and Ser Marlon. 

I stand corrected.   How I didn't see the diversity before DAI, I do not know.

[Christy]

So.. I feel utterly stupid for starting this thread.

 

1. I was wrong about DAO showing few black people in comparison to DAI. I have absolutely no idea why I didn't really notice them before.

 

2. I was wrong about it not being realistic having many black people in Ferelden. I suppose it felt very strange to me at first as I'm a big fan of historical dramas, be it books or film, and those mostly take place in a basically all white England (whether that was the reality or not, I do not rightly know). You don't see a lot of diversity in a Jane Austen book, though, that's for sure.  But then again, as someone pointed out, this isn't actually England, and black people in Ferelden doesn't come from Africa, but places like Rivain where, as someone again pointed out, the religion and culture are very similar to that of Ferelden.

 

I take it all back. I don't find the diversity strange anymore as there are a lot of good reasons why Ferelden absolutely should be a very diverse country. Thanks for all the answers.  I really feel like deleting my posts, but oh well. Maybe someone else wonders about the same, and there are some very good answers here.

[vertigomez]

^ Don't delete your posts, OP! Not many people make a thread out of genuine curiosity, receive some decent input, and rethink their initial thought... kudos to you and may this thread serve as a nice little resource for others wondering the same thing.

[Jaison1986]

"So I personally don't judge people by their ideological positions. It never works. I prefer to evaluate them by the kinds of choices they make and their by their actions as well. Only then it's possible to have a good notion of a person's true beliefs." I can agree with you here to a point. If a person is saying that he or she isn't a feminist, though, for example, I', going to be a bit sceptical. I guess it's usually a case of not wanting to be labeled, or hearing about "feminists" who hate men. It could also mean that someone thinks you a lesser person because of your uterus of lack of it. I'm sure you would also be sceptical towards a person calling himself or herself a racist.

 

*disgusted noise* The world doesn't spin around your little movement you know? Rather then being dragged in a separatist group, I would rather worry about true opprossion against woman, like asia, and the middle east, were they get raped, multilated, executed and denied education because of their barbaric societies. "But hey, that western man wears a shirt I find sexist. Let me be triggered about that instead"

 

I'm a humanist. Feminism can go back to the black hole it crowled out from.

 

And for last of course there is a lot of diversity in dragon age games. Bioware is pretty much married to tumblr.

[Christy]

^ Don't delete your posts, OP! Not many people make a thread out of genuine curiosity, receive some decent input, and rethink their initial thought... kudos to you and may this thread serve as a nice little resource for others wondering the same thing.

Thank you! 

[Krypplingz]

I stand corrected.   How I didn't see the diversity before DAI, I do not know.

Personally I think it's the lighting. Of course it might just be that the darkest skin color isn't that dark, but still. 

 

A screen shot of Danal in the game:

Spoiler

 

And then his headmorph from the toolset. (Made the grey background white for better contrast):

Spoiler

 

It's also interesting to see Isabela's in game appearance and when her head is out of the toolset.  (In DAO)

I didn't see the colors until someone else made a thread about it and started checking out the heads in the toolset vs the game. So you shouldn't feel stupid about the tread.

[Christy]

*disgusted noise* The world doesn't spin around your little movement you know? Rather then being dragged in a separatist group, I would rather worry about true opprossion against woman, like asia, and the middle east, were they get raped, multilated, executed and denied education because of their barbaric societies. "But hey, that western man wears a shirt I find sexist. Let me be triggered about that instead"

 

I'm a humanist. Feminism can go back to the black hole it crowled out from.

 

And for last of course there is a lot of diversity in dragon age games. Bioware is pretty much married to tumblr.

Why would you think that I don't care about women who are oppressed in the Middle East? I'm very perplexed by this post. I have no idea where you got all this from. If you're a humanist then you're also a feminist. Feminism is believeing that no gender is worth more than the other. Wouldn't we all agree to that? All I'm saying is that I would be sceptical towards a person declaring himself or herself "not a feminist", and here you are, lashing out at me in anger and making false claims about me for simply stating that I am a feminist.

[Christy]

Personally I think it's the lighting. Of course it might just be that the darkest skin color isn't that dark, but still. 

 

A screen shot of Danal in the game:

Spoiler

 

And then his headmorph from the toolset. (Made the grey background white for better contrast):

Spoiler

 

It's also interesting to see Isabela's in game appearance and when her head is out of the toolset.  (In DAO)

I didn't see the colors until someone else made a thread about it and started checking out the heads in the toolset vs the game. So you shouldn't feel stupid about the tread.

Thanks  I think you're right. It really seems like the skin colors in general looks less dark in game.

[Jaison1986]

Why would you think that I don't care about women who are oppressed in the Middle East? I'm very perplexed by this post. I have no idea where you got all this from. If you're a humanist then you're also a feminist. Feminism is believeing that no gender is worth more than the other. Wouldn't we all agree to that? All I'm saying is that I would be sceptical towards a person declaring himself or herself "not a feminist", and here you are, lashing out at me in anger and making false claims about me for simply stating that I am a feminist.

 

Just listen to yourself, how blindly ignorant. I'm not a feminist, and never will be. I despise their movement. It's utterly arrogant to try labelling people to your ideology because of a shared view or other. Not too different then saying that every patriot should be called an xenophobe. I'm angered because I'm sick of your kind trying to define the world and the people in it by your authoritarian ideals.

[Christy]

Just listen to yourself, how blindly ignorant. I'm not a feminist, and never will be. I despise their movement. It's utterly arrogant to try labelling people to your ideology because of a shared view or other. Not too different then saying that every patriot should be called an xenophobe. I'm angered because I'm sick of your kind trying to define the world and the people in it by your authoritarian ideals.

Seriously, why don't you worry about the true terrors in this world rather than a girl on the Internet saying she is a follower of gender equality. Jeez. And people wonder why there are wars in this world..

[fdrty]

So.. I feel utterly stupid for starting this thread.

 

1. I was wrong about DAO showing few black people in comparison to DAI. I have absolutely no idea why I didn't really notice them before.

 

2. I was wrong about it not being realistic having many black people in Ferelden. I suppose it felt very strange to me at first as I'm a big fan of historical dramas, be it books or film, and those mostly take place in a basically all white England (whether that was the reality or not, I do not rightly know). You don't see a lot of diversity in a Jane Austen book, though, that's for sure.  But then again, as someone pointed out, this isn't actually England, and black people in Ferelden doesn't come from Africa, but places like Rivain where, as someone again pointed out, the religion and culture are very similar to that of Ferelden.

 

I take it all back. I don't find the diversity strange anymore as there are a lot of good reasons why Ferelden absolutely should be a very diverse country. Thanks for all the answers.  I really feel like deleting my posts, but oh well. Maybe someone else wonders about the same, and there are some very good answers here.

 

It's good when people can admit that they're wrong.

 

While Fereldan is based loosely (and it really is loosely) on medieval England, Why isn't Dragon Age culturally like England is kind of a silly point, when it exists precisely to be different to its inspiration.

 

Most of the people in the world are brown. White people, globally, are a minority. The fact that you found it weird that black people were present in a fantasy game shows how under-represented black people are in fantasy.

 

Bioware have given players the ability to choose their race, so if there were no black people it would be weird to be the only black person in southern Thedas.

 

There are several different tribes in Fereldan, the Free Marches, Rivain, who all have varying skin tones.

 

One thing is we don't really know how big Thedas is. Orlais must be massive - it has a desert to the west, lush forests, plains and snow capped mountains. It could easily be the size of a continent. And Tevinter must be even bigger.

[Jaison1986]

Seriously, why don't you worry about the true terrors in this world rather than a girl on the Internet saying she is a follower of gender equality. Jeez. And people wonder why there are wars in this world..

 

Why don't YOU worry about the true terrors in this world, rather then obsess on how many non whites are present in video games. Free speech doesn't mean immunity to criticism. This is a forum were people speak their minds, not your safe space were everything goes your way.

[Asha'bellanar]

Those are some good points. Maybe I just didn't notice them because of the way the game looked.

There were complants about the fact that in DA2, Isabela has much darker skin than she appears to have in DAO (and she looks really different, too, but that's another thing). I seem to recall someone on the dev team saying that, in fact, Isabela, being Rivaini, always had dark skin, but the lighting model in DAO just didn't show it properly.

 

For an in-game answer as to where darker skinned people come from, we can assume Rivain and probably Tevinter. There are probably other places to the south that have more dark-skinned people.

[Christy]

Why don't YOU worry about the true terrors in this world, rather then obsess on how many non whites are present in video games. Free speech doesn't mean immunity to criticism. This is a forum were people speak their minds, not your safe space were everything goes your way.

It was your own words, not mine. You felt I should use my time worrying about rape victims, I say do whatever the f**k you want with your time, even if it means attacking 20 year olds on the Internet for stating that they think both genders are equal in worth.

[Christy]

There were complants about the fact that in DA2, Isabela has much darker skin than she appears to have in DAO (and she looks really different, too, but that's another thing). I seem to recall someone on the dev team saying that, in fact, Isabela, being Rivaini, always had dark skin, but the lighting model in DAO just didn't show it properly.

 

For an in-game answer as to where darker skinned people come from, we can assume Rivain and probably Tevinter. There are probably other places to the south that have more dark-skinned people.

Yes, Isabela definitely looks darker in the character creator, I remember seeing pictures of it. They all looked so different in DA2, though. Merrill. And Zevran. Not to mention Alistair. Time wasn't good to him.  Flemeth got a pretty cool makeover, though

[Jaison1986]

It was your own words, not mine. You felt I should use my time worrying about rape victims, I say do whatever the f**k you want with your time, even if it means attacking 20 year olds on the Internet for stating that they think both genders are equal in worth.

 

No, you said anyone that thinks similarly to you instantly becomes a member of your group. Wich is a ridiculous assertion. If you can't take this kind of criticism, perhaps you should consider keeping your generalizations to yourself.

[Christy]

No, you said anyone that thinks similarly to you instantly becomes a member of your group. Wich is a ridiculous assertion. If you can't take this kind of criticism, perhaps you should consider keeping your generalizations to yourself.

It's what a dictionary would say. I didn't invent the definition.

 

I'm actually very fine with differing opinions, I don't mind them at all. I'm not fine with people acting aggressively when completely uncalled for.

[Jaison1986]

It's what a dictionary would say. I didn't invent the definition.

 

I'm actually very fine with differing opinions, I don't mind them at all. I'm not fine with people acting aggressively when completely uncalled for.

 

No, smarty, the dictionary explains what feminism is, or tries to at least. It doesn't define that everyone that shares an similar ideal to it is one. 

 

I'm also fine with differing opinions, logical ones at least. What I'm not fine with is a bunch of teenagers arrogantly going about acting as if their opinions are facts.