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[SKAR]

I am a firm believer in the trope Good Is Not Soft (http://tvtropes.org/...n/GoodIsNotSoft). Both in real life and in games. take it as you like.

You on the other hand strike me as the typical teenager. Boastful and know it all.
Good that we have got this sorted out.


Ps. you never answered my question. Did the Devs confirm that we are on the ARK?

Well I don't know it all apparently. It seems pretty apparent considering the trailer. I'm less arrogant than you think I am. With all due respect I just don't get along well with standoffish arrogant people myself. That's just how I am. I always have my guard up. I know how savage people can be. I can't necessarily use my hand to hand on these forums so I usually try to reason until things go FUBAR. Sometimes a good show of force is the best things to settle with a bully. But it's a whole different ball park on the internet.

[UpUpAway]

That makes no sense on a number of levels. Meta-wise it makes no sense to show the ending of the game in the advertisement for said game. And also that would be a terrible way to end the game. Having them go to sleep and the ship travel again would make more sense then that and then have them wake up. 

Ingame-wise the only reason we are in stasis is for the journey from the Milky Way to Andromeda. Once we are in Andromeda, there is no more need for stasis since conventional FTL will get us to where we are in a matter of days. 

 

 

The journey from the Milky Way to Andtromeda will take centuries so any scout report will be beyond useless by the time the other Arks arrive because a lot can happen in a few hundred years. 

 

Plus there is the timeframe to consider. The arks leave before the end of the Reaper War, and with how long it would take to get to Andromeda the first ship would had to have left before humanity even developed planes, let alone spacecraft. Then there is the fact there is no reason for going to Andromeda before the Reapers arrive because we still have over 99% of the Milky Way to explore.

 

1) It would take longer in Andromeda to get from cluster to cluster than it did in the Milky Way... since, within the Milky Way, Mass Effect Relays facilitate cluster to cluster travel.  That is, travel within the Milky Way was not all done via FTL, but a combination of FTL and Relay.  Without any relays, it could conceivably take a few years to go from one cluster to the next within the Andromeda Galaxy.  It wouldn't be the first time that clips from places other than the beginning of a game have been used in a promotional trailer for that game.  It also does not preclude a writing style were the game contains "flashbacks."  All I'm saying is that it is STILL an assumption that the scene of FemRyder sitting up and saying "We made it" comes from the very beginning of the game.

 

2) The probe ship could use Relays to get to an edge of the Milky Way galaxy and then leave the galaxy (say, just after ME1 ends).  The reports back from a VI on that "test" ARK may not say "Hey, we've arrived in Andromeda" but could say... "Yes, it IS possible for this design of ARK to travel FTL outside of our "known" galaxy.  Mission continuing."  After getting such an "it's possible" report, then it seems more likely that the Milky Way species might be more willing to invest resources, etc. in building multiple ARKs.  (That is, they have some proof of concept to fall back on rather than just pure speculation like "Hey, lets toss a few hundred thousand people, asleep onto an untested ship design and send them off into unknown space...").

[Hammerstorm]

Well I don't know it all apparently. It seems pretty apparent considering the trailer. I'm less arrogant than you think I am. With all due respect I just don't get along well with standoffish arrogant people myself. That's just how I am. I always have my guard up. I know how savage people can be. I can't necessarily use my hand to hand on these forums so I usually try to reason until things go FUBAR. Sometimes a good show of force is the best things to settle with a bully. But it's a whole different ball park on the internet.

 

Well having a guard is always good, but make sure it is needed before use it. just like in real life, using logic and calm behavior and most people behave. (And it is fun to see an angry person get angrier because you stay calm )

intimation will only lead to unnecessary fights. both in real life and on the internet.

(everybody is brave on the internet as the saying goes  )

[SKAR]

Well having a guard is always good, but make sure it is needed before use it. just like in real life, using logic and calm behavior and most people behave. (And it is fun to see an angry person get angrier because you stay calm )
intimidation will only lead to unnecessary fights. both in real life and on the internet.
(everybody is brave on the internet as the saying goes )

True. Sometimes I settle things calmly. But in my experience a good show of force usually shuts people up. Only had 3 fights in my life. All of them against a bully. 2 of them I lost. 1st one I lost but im friends with the guy, still an @$$hole but tolerable. 2nd was just some crazy stuff. Then I got training. Let's just say nobody ***** with me anymore once they get their eyes gouged. Had it comin. Internet is different. People can act like douchebags and you can reason all you want but they have nothing to be afraid of or threatened by. And they're stubborn. You have no power but you're words. And it doesn't matter unless you make a good argument and even then there are different opinions. . And that's why arguments happen. A lot of it over stupid crap.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

1) It would take longer in Andromeda to get from cluster to cluster than it did in the Milky Way... since, within the Milky Way, Mass Effect Relays facilitate cluster to cluster travel.  That is, travel within the Milky Way was not all done via FTL, but a combination of FTL and Relay.  Without any relays, it could conceivably take a few years to go from one cluster to the next within the Andromeda Galaxy.  It wouldn't be the first time that clips from places other than the beginning of a game have been used in a promotional trailer for that game.  It also does not preclude a writing style were the game contains "flashbacks."  All I'm saying is that it is STILL an assumption that the scene of FemRyder sitting up and saying "We made it" comes from the very beginning of the game.

You are wrong. It would take a matter of days or weeks to travel cluster to cluster with conventional FTL, not years. With conventional FTL we can cross the entire Milky Way in a few decades. Conventional FTL travel from cluster to cluster is what we do in the Milky Way until we discover a Mass Relay and determine it is safe to activate.

 

2) The probe ship could use Relays to get to an edge of the Milky Way galaxy and then leave the galaxy (say, just after ME1 ends).  The reports back from a VI on that "test" ARK may not say "Hey, we've arrived in Andromeda" but could say... "Yes, it IS possible for this design of ARK to travel FTL outside of our "known" galaxy.  Mission continuing."  After getting such an "it's possible" report, then it seems more likely that the Milky Way species might be more willing to invest resources, etc. in building multiple ARKs.  (That is, they have some proof of concept to fall back on rather than just pure speculation like "Hey, lets toss a few hundred thousand people, asleep onto an untested ship design and send them off into unknown space...").

Again, time frame doesn't allow it. It will take centuries with our FTL to reach Andromeda, and all ships leave before the end of Mass Effect 3 if not earlier. A proof of concept is not the same thing as a scouting party going before the rest of the armada. Plus they don't have to leave the Milky Way for their proof of concept. The thing that needs testing is the solution to the drive discharge issue, and having the ship still in the Milky Way. They can test that by sending a ship from one cluster to another here without using Mass Relays or stopping to discharge, and easily retrievable should something go wrong. We also know that traveling beyond the Milky Way is possible, because the Reapers come from Dark Space. While the Council races act like they aren't real, we know that they took Shepard's words seriously since the Battle of the Citadel. 

[UpUpAway]

You are wrong. It would take a matter of days or weeks to travel cluster to cluster with conventional FTL, not years. With conventional FTL we can cross the entire Milky Way in a few decades. Conventional FTL travel from cluster to cluster is what we do in the Milky Way until we discover a Mass Relay and determine it is safe to activate.

 

Again, time frame doesn't allow it. It will take centuries with our FTL to reach Andromeda, and all ships leave before the end of Mass Effect 3 if not earlier. A proof of concept is not the same thing as a scouting party going before the rest of the armada. Plus they don't have to leave the Milky Way for their proof of concept. The thing that needs testing is the solution to the drive discharge issue, and having the ship still in the Milky Way. They can test that by sending a ship from one cluster to another here without using Mass Relays or stopping to discharge, and easily retrievable should something go wrong. We also know that traveling beyond the Milky Way is possible, because the Reapers come from Dark Space. While the Council races act like they aren't real, we know that they took Shepard's words seriously since the Battle of the Citadel. 

 

If want want to believe that the Council would just send out a whole colony on 4 ARKs without "testing" the concept first because they "believed" Shepard, that's your prerogative. 

 

I think it is more logical that they may have first sent out 1 smaller ARK, got some positive feedback, and then committed to building more... also because they believed Shepard at the end of ME1.  I think it's less likely that they all of a sudden,  after Arrival in ME2) panicked and decided to just build 4 or more ARKs and stuff them full of colonists... and had them all ready to leave before the end of ME3 (and I'm pretty much convinced that those 4 ARKs are probably above earth and being loaded to leave sometime prior to the Reaper attack at the beginning of ME3 (probably just a few hours before the attack after the Alliance spotted "something" on their long-range sensors)... and we do know with certainty that at least 3 ARKs will eventually exist (and I think there will possibly be more than that).

 

At 15 LY/day, it would take 32 years to cross the Milky Way galaxy in FTL  If you have a limited crew on an ARK and limited resources to sustain them and if stasis is a relatively safe procedure, it wouldn't take missions of very long a duration to justify putting that crew into stasis.

 

Also, as I've said many times, everything we talk about here has no bearing whatsoever on ME:A.  Shooting down each other's theories is merely the "game" that goes on here at BSN.  In the end, the only "theory" that will matter at all is whatever Bioware has already used to create ME:A (and we will only discover that whenever Bioware decides to release that information).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If want want to believe that the Council would just send out a whole colony on 4 ARKs without "testing" the concept first because they "believed" Shepard, that's your prerogative. 

 

I think it is more logical that they may have first sent out 1 smaller ARK, got some positive feedback, and then committed to building more... also because they believed Shepard at the end of ME1.  I think it's less likely that they all of a sudden,  after Arrival in ME2) panicked and decided to just build 4 or more ARKs and stuff them full of colonists... and had them all ready to leave before the end of ME3 (and I'm pretty much convinced that those 4 ARKs are probably above earth and being loaded to leave sometime prior to the Reaper attack at the beginning of ME3 (probably just a few hours before the attack after the Alliance spotted "something" on their long-range sensors)... and we do know with certainty that at least 3 ARKs will eventually exist (and I think there will possibly be more than that).

I never said they wouldn't test it first. I said they wouldn't have to send it outside the Milky Way to test it. Plus we weren't even talking about a proof of concept, we were talking about a ship going first as a scouting party. Again, those are two very different things. 

 

 

At 15 LY/day, it would take 32 years to cross the Milky Way galaxy in FTL  If you have a limited crew on an ARK and limited resources to sustain them and if stasis is a relatively safe procedure, it wouldn't take missions of very long a duration to justify putting that crew into stasis.

If it only takes 32 years to cross the entirety of the Milky Way and 50.1939 years to do the same to Andromeda, it would take only a few days to weeks to reach one cluster from another. There are a lot of clusters in a galaxy. 

Besides, we aren't crossing the entire Andromeda galaxy. It is only logical to go to the clusters next door to the Helius Cluster. Thus a trip that doesn't require going back into stasis.

[mrjack]

I think it would be a sound idea except that in the E3 there were quite a few shots of planets that had habitats which had already been built and some looked like they had been abandoned. One was a crash site. If anything I think we arrive late to the initial Andromeda highjinks and have to figure out what happened to the first arrivals. It's possible that we are not the Pathfinder and that the vanguard team was already sent ahead of time.

[ddraigcoch123]

I think it would be a sound idea except that in the E3 there were quite a few shots of planets that had habitats which had already been built and some looked like they had been abandoned. One was a crash site. If anything I think we arrive late to the initial Andromeda highjinks and have to figure out what happened to the first arrivals. It's possible that we are not the Pathfinder and that the vanguard team was already sent ahead of time.

Thats interesting... fits with the feeling some people have about maybe our N7 going rogue... don't forget we haven't even had a 'real' game trailer yet and you know how misleading they can be, or maybe just how much they leave out and as an example look at the ME:2 trailer - no blowing up Normandy, no Shep working for Cerberus...

https://www.youtube....h?v=bIG2dWLHaYU

[mrjack]

Thats interesting... fits with the feeling some people have about maybe our N7 going rogue... don't forget we haven't even had a 'real' game trailer yet and you know how misleading they can be, or maybe just how much they leave out and as an example look at the ME:2 trailer - no blowing up Normandy, no Shep working for Cerberus...

https://www.youtube....h?v=bIG2dWLHaYU

 

I could be totally wrong. I'm really in the dark about it all and I haven't been able to make any sense of it yet. Like you said, we might not know exactly what happened until we play the game.

 

That ME2 trailer gives me all the feels btw. I never really starting gaming until CGI trailers were being phased out. I played the trilogy after ME3 came out so I never saw those until much later.

[SKAR]

I think it would be a sound idea except that in the E3 there were quite a few shots of planets that had habitats which had already been built and some looked like they had been abandoned. One was a crash site. If anything I think we arrive late to the initial Andromeda highjinks and have to figure out what happened to the first arrivals. It's possible that we are not the Pathfinder and that the vanguard team was already sent ahead of time.

We are a Pathfinder. Did you see the Reddit leak? I just want to be the N7 guy from the trailer. New ME game and I'm some rookie who is not part of the Alliance's most elite and highly trained special forces? It's like saying There's an SAS guy, you're not him, you're just an infantry soldier. Why can't I be the bad@$$ with SAS? Doesn't sit right with me. But.... until we get anything solid I believe that PC Ryder is N7 or former N7.

[mrjack]

We are a Pathfinder. Did you see the Reddit leak? I just want to be the N7 guy from the trailer. New ME game and I'm some rookie who is not part of the Alliance's most elite and highly trained special forces? It's like saying There's an SAS guy, you're not him, you're just an infantry soldier. Why can't I be the bad@$$ with SAS? Doesn't sit right with me. But.... until we get anything solid I believe that PC Ryder is N7 or former N7.

 

I think even if we don't start out as N7, we'll become one during the game, which will be kinda anit-climactic for everyone who played the original trilogy. It's like if they tried to make us a SPECTRE again with all the same fanfare. I'd be like "Been there, done that."

 

As for the Reddit leak I guess I should start believing everything it says by now.

[SKAR]

I think even if we don't start out as N7, we'll become one during the game, which will be kinda anit-climactic for everyone who played the original trilogy. It's like if they tried to make us a SPECTRE again with all the same fanfare. I'd be like "Been there, done that."

As for the Reddit leak I guess I should start believing everything it says by now.

If we are an N6 I suppose we can be handed down some dudes armor cause N7's earn their prestige through combat but I'd still rather start as N7 but not be a part of the Alliance. There are so many clues pointing to it. We'll see.

[maia0407]

I've always loved the feel of a group of explorers being very isolated and reliant upon themselves. Stargate Atlantis had that feel in the first season; I was disappointed when they established contact with earth. Same with Voyager. In theory, I like the idea of a small group being sent ahead. However, that runs into the age issue of the crew again. Ryder appears too young to head the entire forward mission especially when dealing with first contact. Hopefully, they'd send experienced people and allow her to head a team of explorers.

[ddraigcoch123]

I've always loved the feel of a group of explorers being very isolated and reliant upon themselves. Stargate Atlantis had that feel in the first season; I was disappointed when they established contact with earth. Same with Voyager. In theory, I like the idea of a small group being sent ahead. However, that runs into the age issue of the crew again. Ryder appears too young to head the entire forward mission especially when dealing with first contact. Hopefully, they'd send experienced people and allow her to head a team of explorers.

Yeah I hear you about the 'inexperience' issue but maybe the 'something went wrong' scenario or the 'guy in charge went rogue' theme would mean we needed to step up...

 

Also maybe I got this wrong but didn't I see somewhere that the 'face' of the Ryder char may not be the 'default'?

[Kabooooom]

Well, if we are going to be using logic, we do not know if we are on the ARK. All we know is that a female in armor (strange way to be dressed if we are sleeping) is sitting up on what we believe is a designated area for those that are being woken up.

We may be on a ship that is being sent before the other (as OP mention)

And what did the dev say in the tweet? Did they confirmed that we are on the ARK?

What you say is ONE of the assumption we have, but for what I am aware of we do not have any confirmation.
So don't make any "silly assumptions" ok?

Occam's razor. They're on the Ark, dude.

[Hammerstorm]

Occam's razor. They're on the Ark, dude.

 

It is the most Likely Assumption yes. (I have never said anything else)

But we have only seen a person (the protagonist) wake up on a ship.

 

If you don't have any more proof than a principle that is only used to narrow the options, then this is theory is still valid.

 

And don't dude me mate.

[The Twilight God]

More likely the Pathfinders (this does not include the protagonist) went ahead and the plot is initially driven by the investigation of missing pathfinder(s). And in this way the protagonist becomes a pathfinder him/herself.

[nfi42]

It would make sense to go to multiple locations, not just Andromeda.  Why put all your eggs in one basket (ie one location).

[SKAR]

More likely the Pathfinders (this does not include the protagonist) went ahead and the plot is initially driven by the investigation of missing pathfinder(s). And in this way the protagonist becomes a pathfinder him/herself.

More likely to you.......less likely to many.

[SKAR]

It would make sense to go to multiple locations, not just Andromeda. Why put all your eggs in one basket (ie one location).

because Andromeda is far enough. It's double the size of the milky way and there are many vast places to explore.

[In Exile]

I think even if we don't start out as N7, we'll become one during the game, which will be kinda anit-climactic for everyone who played the original trilogy. It's like if they tried to make us a SPECTRE again with all the same fanfare. I'd be like "Been there, done that."

As for the Reddit leak I guess I should start believing everything it says by now.

Well, except Shepard was always an N7. Being made a Spectre is different in that regard.

[Kabooooom]

It is the most Likely Assumption yes. (I have never said anything else)
But we have only seen a person (the protagonist) wake up on a ship.

If you don't have any more proof than a principle that is only used to narrow the options, then this is theory is still valid.

And don't dude me mate.

Don't mate me, bro.

Damn that was the perfect setup.

More on topic and jokes aside, I also think the room Ryder wakes up on strongly implies it's the Ark. It is a cryo chamber, and although you can only see part of it, it gives the impression that it is massive. It is cylindrical, with five flat "floors" at oblique angles to each other, as you would find in a spinning cylinder (like an O'Neill cylinder) with artificial gravity. The five floors were designed, I suspect, to evoke a feeling of the Citadel. When viewed behind Ryder, the five floors have the same basic design of the five Citadel arms. Im positive this was intentional, since the concept art of what is likely the Ark was made to resemble the Presidium.

On each of these five floors, you can make out other cryo pods. Meaning the cylindrical room is packed to the brim with them. Would it make more sense to put such a room on a small exploration vessel, or the Ark? I'll let you answer that one.

Here is what I'm talking about. The ring in the back was probably designed to remind one of the Presidium too, when viewed from inside with the five floors stretching in front of it. The whole image screams Citadel, they even framed it deliberately to showcase the architecture of the room. I don't think this cryo room is small:

http://images.euroga...y/80/format/jpg

[Hammerstorm]

Don't bro me, chap.

 

You do have a point, but the size of the vessel don't mean that it has to be a Ark. I never meant that they only sent a small scout ship, I was more on the line of a bigger ship with a couple of scout vessel on it (or attach is a correct word?)

 

And I do agree that it is a bigger possibility that they are on a Ark, I just don't see it as a hard fact yet and therefore I don't think people should shoot down a theory without putting some thought in it.

 

 

And this may only be because the view, but are not those cryo pods very small?

[SKAR]

Don't bro me, chap.

You do have a point, but the size of the vessel don't mean that it has to be a Ark. I never meant that they only sent a small scout ship, I was more on the line of a bigger ship with a couple of scout vessel on it (or attach is a correct word?)

And I do agree that it is a bigger possibility that they are on a Ark, I just don't see it as a hard fact yet and therefore I don't think people should shoot down a theory without putting some thought in it.


And this may only be because the view, but are not those cryo pods very small?

Maybe. Why does the size of the pods matter?