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[Catilina]

Be that as it may, it is impossible to play Batman and consistently follow a No Kill policy in Dragon Age games. Cry "I had no choice" as you will, but you do kill people.
And funnily enough, your beloved Zevran agrees with me that a clean death is the moral thing to do.

Zevran: You didn't like it? You didn't like the thrill of the hunt?
Leliana: I suppose... I did like that. The hunt... not the killing.
Zevran: The killing just signals the end of the hunt. Without it, the chase goes on. You killed your marks cleanly, I hope.
Leliana: Whenever possible.
Zevran: Good, when the prey is caught, it deserves a good death, a clean death.
Zevran: Perhaps you are right; we have much in common.

Yes, you right, Zevran would agree with his own killing judgement, but my warden not. Thats so simple. My warden is not Zevran, and just for agree with Zevran, he will not kill him, no matter how much he loves him...

[springacres]

My canon Warden spared Zevran partly because killing him at that point wasn't going to solve anything, partly because he liked the idea of getting someone Loghain had hired to kill him on his (the Warden's) side against Loghain, but mostly because Zev's story resonated with him (both elves, both taken young from their homes for reasons beyond their control) and he just felt that there were things about his life that another elf might understand better than a human or qunari would.

[Qun00]

I might be willing to spare Zevran if DA2 could recognize the scenario where he was allowed to live but not recruited.

But as far as the game is concerned, he is either dead or counts himself among those that travelled with the Warden.

[sniper_arrow]

To harass Wynne and her magical bosom.

[Gervaise]

Not the easiest thing to find valid reasons but it is one thing killing someone in the heat of battle, another cutting their throat when they are at your mercy.   Figured he might be genuinely grateful for the reprieve and we can do with all the help we can get.   He has a peculiar matter of fact honesty when making his appeal for clemency that was won me over.   Plus I've got a large devoted mabari that I can instruct to watch him for any signs of treachery.   Animals can sense these things far better than people can.   So long as Dog is chilled out over him, then he's okay with me too.

[Illegitimus]

The simple answer is:  "Because he's someone who knows something incriminating about Loghain."  Piling up every possible accusation against Loghain.  Always good.  

[Ghost Gal]

To harass Wynne and her magical bosom.

 

Wynne: "You may cry well away from my bosom."

 

Never gets old. 

[GoldenGail3]

Wynne: "You may cry well away from my bosom."

 

Never gets old. 

Wynne is one of my favorites.... 

[Pasquale1234]

I know most people do it just so they won't be one companion short, but roleplay wise I just... can't do it.

All the marvelous redeeming qualities you discover after getting to know him better aren't made known during that first encounter.

Zevran just says he is afraid of dying and that the Crows won't take him back. But why would the Warden believe it?

IIRC, his exact words are "my life is forfeit." If the Warden doesn't kill him, the Crows will.

As for whether your Warden would believe it - bear in mind that there is a difference between what you, the player knows, and what your character who actually lives in that world knows. The Crows are fairly well-known throughout Thedas, and your particular Warden might already know of them and how they operate. It's possible that your Warden might have heard enough about the Crows to fill in some of the blanks about how Zevran came to be in their service, even before you recruit him and hear the story from him.

Also, there is something to be said about having your very own Antivan Crow at your disposal - even if it's only to use his testimony to hang Loghain / Howe. Also, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" is sometimes sound advice.

[Qun00]

My Dalish Warden didn't even know the Antivan Crows exist, so that doesn't apply.

And "keep your enemies close" is something that can be useful for an assassin too.

[Pasquale1234]

My Dalish Warden didn't even know the Antivan Crows exist, so that doesn't apply.

What your Warden knows is largely up to you. I've played some that were very worldly and knowledgeable, and others who were relatively ignorant about the greater world. If you want to play a Dalish Warden as someone completely bound to Dalish culture and isolationism, you are certainly free to do so. You can also play a Dalish Warden as someone genuinely interested in learning more about other cultures and the world around them. For that matter, you could even include some story about how members of your clan had been kidnapped to be enslaved by the Crows as part of your Warden's backstory.

Several people have offered you optional methods of role-playing that choice, should you choose to use any of them. It's entirely up to you.

[Qun00]

I think I will spare Zevran without recruiting him.

Mostly because he is the one that leads Alistair to the Antivan guy in The Silent Grove and I don't want to crack my skull trying to imagine how that story plays out if he's dead.

[Qis]

I know most people do it just so they won't be one companion short, but roleplay wise I just... can't do it.

All the marvelous redeeming qualities you discover after getting to know him better aren't made known during that first encounter.

Zevran just says he is afraid of dying and that the Crows won't take him back. But why would the Warden believe it?

 

My Warden don't believe him, but my Warden want an Elf in the party....

 

There are 4 Humans, 1 Qunari, 3 Dwarves (including the merchants), 1 Dog.... why not an Elf....? It's complete.

 

Oh yeah, why not bring that walking stone statue along while at it....

[PunchFaceReporter]

Foursome.

[Inkvisiittori]

He convinced me it would be more beneficial to let him live. Also I hate Leliana (in DAO) so I needed a rogue. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Usually metagaming, though in the case of my first Dwarf Noble I figured he'd be used to being surrounded by (and fighting alongside) people who he couldn't trust not to betray him at any possible second. So why would he care?

[DeathWalksBehindYou]

My canon warden’s rationalizations explanations for sparing Zevran:

 

1. He thought Zev might be a fount of useful information to convict Loghain.
2. He thought a trained assassin would be a useful asset for the team.
3. He thought he was hot

I mean, come on, he’s only human.

[Qun00]

[*]He thought he was hot

Yeah... about that.

The fanarts usually depict Zevran as this real sexy assassin


But in reality, the guy looks like he got hit in the face with a shovel.



There are many complaints about his appearance in DA2, but I don't see how was it that much better before.

[Mlady]

He's a lot like Thane. He kills who he's told to but has no feelings toward the person he's killing. It's just a job. I decide to give him a chance and get to see who he is outside of being a tool for a high paying individual. Of course if you are not nice to him and ignore him he will try and redeem himself by attacking you, but if you treat him like a person he stays by your side when the Crows come for him.

 

If both Zev and Sten had actual hate toward me and intent on killing me when I close my eyes then no, they would both be dead. Surprisingly Loghain actual had no disdain toward me either once we talked and we formed a nice friendship by the end of DAO.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Well, in the case of my canon Warden, Sagramor Tabris, it was pragmatic necessity. As much as he's a fairly morally-upright sort of fellow who rescues kittens from trees and would fight to the death to defend a lady's honour, he's also thoughtful enough not to discard a potential asset. Let's face it, they need every edge they can get to defeat the Blight, and if sparing Zevran could mean the difference between victory and defeat, he's willing to risk it. Besides, he's come to trust Leliana's counsel, so if she's suggesting that Zevran join them, he's willing to at least consider it.

[ProfessorWright]

My Warden spared him because he knew he couldn't turn down help at the time also he had Shale who doesn't sleep and would have no issue squishing Zevran should he try anything

[Deadly dwarf]

Hmmm....I tried killing Zevran the other day and felt awful about it afterwards.  It's one thing to kill someone who's actively attacking you but another to kill a prisoner.  That feels like murder especially after you talk to him and he becomes more human to you.  With Sten, though you know he's guilty of murder, you also know he feels remorse and would like a chance to attone for his crimes.  With Zev, his sob story makes a certain degree of sense...and killing him feels wrong. 

[Inkvisiittori]

With Sten, though you know he's guilty of murder, you also know he feels remorse and would like a chance to attone for his crimes.

 

I don't think Sten felt any guilt or remorse. At least not over the farmers he killed. He felt guilty for losing his sword, Asala. Doesn't he even say this to you?

 

Those farmers were 'bas.' Things with no purpose. I don't believe killing a bas means anything to a qunari.

[Mlady]

I don't think Sten felt any guilt or remorse. At least not over the farmers he killed. He felt guilty for losing his sword, Asala. Doesn't he even say this to you?

 

Those farmers were 'bas.' Things with no purpose. I don't believe killing a bas means anything to a qunari.

 

I picked it up in his tone when I played. He knew what he did was wrong. He did it anyways but you can tell by his tone. 

[Catilina]

I don't think Sten felt any guilt or remorse. At least not over the farmers he killed. He felt guilty for losing his sword, Asala. Doesn't he even say this to you?

 

Those farmers were 'bas.' Things with no purpose. I don't believe killing a bas means anything to a qunari.

I think, he felt remorse. Anyway: I believe in the second chance and the forgiveness/mercy.