I agree with you that most people still play the games, enjoy them, and tolerate the endings to a varying degree. They are very vocal here on the forums.
If you enjoy playing games with flawed endings, good for you. I don't particularly.
To me, moving the new game completely away from the original trilogy is the right move to make. There are just too many variables to account for with the endings, and making one of the endings canon wouldn't work because then a lot of players would have an ending they did not pick forced upon them. I, for one, would be more than a little horrifed if they were to just make synthesis the "canon ending" because that ending is just pure evil to me.
Nah; just canonize Destroy. The quarians destroyed the geth at Rannoch, and EDI is a regrettable casualty of war.
I honestly thought the only solution to the divergent endings for a sequel to ME3 was to cononize destroy but Bioware came up with a better solution. And my ideal canon destroy was way harsher their yours lol. Greek tragedy harsh. The quarians have to be punished to keep it "greek" morals that mettle in teh affairs of teh gods are always punished i can't think of anything more "the affairs of the gods" then the creation of life. So the Geth win at Rannoch poof bye bye quarians (and they are my favourite race lol no special treatment from me) The elcor or the volus were whiped out doesn't matter which the setting must feel like there is a sense of lose to the reapers. And the geth and edi die from you destroying the reapers. And SHEPARD MUST DIE at the end period. lol This is my honest to god wet dream canon ending. One where it actually feels like the weight of the reaper attack scared the galaxy.
But I realize this isn't going to be generally loved by the fan base lol.
To be honest, I wish ME: Andromeda was in another fictional universe, with no Shepard existing, or Reapers.
The Milky Way races would've simply colonized everything there was to colonize and we would've to go to another galaxy to survive.
Further into the future, the better.
It would solve all problems.
This is a less plausible premise than all of the implausible contrivances in every game if they were put together and then multiplied exponentially.
I don't like having more than one protagonist in the same universe.You'll always compare the next to the one before, and be frustrated, one way or another.
You might, but I don't think that this is a universally held position.
Honestly, if ME is our exhibit A, then I can't think of a better argument for a different one-off PC in each future game.
FIXED!
Like I said, I'd rarely replay any video games if a flawed ending kept me from doing it. So many have issues, both logical and tonal.
LOL Touche'
So the Reapers are forever approaching but never arrive?
Maybe? I dunno. No ending at all is arguably better than the endings we got
Frankly I'd rather they just made Shepard a fictional character within the Mass Effect universe.
Frankly I'd rather they just made Shepard a fictional character within the Mass Effect universe.
Maybe? I dunno. No ending at all is arguably better than the endings we got
Frankly I'd rather they just made Shepard a fictional character within the Mass Effect universe.
LMFAO now he wants to make the entire trilogy of ME fictional? but going to Andromeda is too much?
Ever get the feeling that NOTHING will appease the beast? talk about irrational demands. 
If this is the case why the frak are you here? Seriously you obviously don't like the series if you want it all 'to go away.' I mean i don't hang around forums of games i don't like why do you? It is okay to not like something i do it all the time. Accept that Bioware today doesn't make teh game you like there is no harm or shame in that. i don't play Blizzard games, I haven't liked them for decades now. there is no shame in once liking games made by a company but no longer liking the game they make currently.
Negative, soldier. Most people still play the games, enjoy them, and tolerate the endings to varying degrees.
If I stopped playing all the games that I thought had flawed endings, I'd rarely replay anything.
Especially ME2.
Half the people never reach the ending to begin with.
I've played plenty of games with flawed endings. I played Dragon Age 2. I've played Soul Reaver. I've played KOTOR 2. I've played Life is Strange. I played Invisible War, for crying out loud!
This leaves them all in the dust. This went back in time and wrecked the entire trilogy for me! This is worse than Ewoks. Worse even than the Holiday Special!
Like Alan says, that's MEA. I don't follow the issue? Unless you want more MW stories - in which case you need ME3b because the reapers are like 6 months away at the end or ME2.
Sure I'd like more MW stories. I'd like to properly visit Earth or Palaven, or go back to the Citadel, Omega, Thessia, etc.
But even more, I'd like to not have in the back of my mind "We're in Andromeda because Bioware frakked up and is too proud to admit it"
This leaves them all in the dust. This went back in time and wrecked the entire trilogy for me! This is worse than Ewoks. Worse even than the Holiday Special!
Dude, I'll agree the endings were never good (I don't think they're particularly bad, though), but comparing them to Caravan of Courage is just wrong.
United Servo Academy Choir, on 05 Jul 2016 - 2:44 PM, said:
This is a less plausible premise than all of the implausible contrivances in every game if they were put together and then multiplied exponentially.
Absolutely, and when the implausible contrivances in every game have stopped them from ever being made?
You might, but I don't think that this is a universally held position.
Honestly, if ME is our exhibit A, then I can't think of a better argument for a different one-off PC in each future game.
Ok, what is the argument?
Maybe? I dunno. No ending at all is arguably better than the endings we got
Frankly I'd rather they just made Shepard a fictional character within the Mass Effect universe.
Broadly speaking, I agree - although I thought that ME2 was worse than ME3 in terms of the story, so my expectations were already somewhat low.
As to the latter - I think that would probably make things even worse.
LMFAO now he wants to make the entire trilogy of ME fictional? but going to Andromeda is too much?
Ever get the feeling that NOTHING will appease the beast? talk about irrational demands.
If this is the case why the frak are you here? Seriously you obviously don't like the series if you want it all 'to go away.' I mean i don't hang around forums of games i don't like why do you? It is okay to not like something i do it all the time. Accept that Bioware today doesn't make teh game you like there is no harm or shame in that. i don't play Blizzard games, I haven't liked them for decades now. there is no shame in once liking games made by a company but no longer liking the game they make currently.
You can like the characters, side stories, and overall setting without liking much of anything about the main storyline. That's my position on ME2 and ME3. And they're still really fun to play.
Although, I'm fully on board for getting the hell over to Andromeda, so there's that too.
Half the people never reach the ending to begin with.
I've played plenty of games with flawed endings. I played Dragon Age 2. I've played Soul Reaver. I've played KOTOR 2. I've played Life is Strange. I played Invisible War, for crying out loud!
This leaves them all in the dust. This went back in time and wrecked the entire trilogy for me! This is worse than Ewoks. Worse even than the Holiday Special!
Sure I'd like more MW stories. I'd like to properly visit Earth or Palaven, or go back to the Citadel, Omega, Thessia, etc.
But even more, I'd like to not have in the back of my mind "We're in Andromeda because Bioware frakked up and is too proud to admit it"
What was wrong with Soul Reaver's ending?
What was wrong with Soul Reaver's ending?
Speaking in terms of the series, the fact that there was no sequel to Defiance showing Kain and Raziel bro-ing out with Raziel as Kain's bro-sword is a problem.
Speaking in terms of the game itself, SR ended pretty abruptly, but SR2 expands on that pretty nicely.
I think overall, the SR series gives decent closure at all points though.
Speaking in terms of the series, the fact that there was no sequel to Defiance showing Kain and Raziel bro-ing out with Raziel as Kain's bro-sword is a problem.
Speaking in terms of the game itself, SR ended pretty abruptly, but SR2 expands on that pretty nicely.
I think overall, the SR series gives decent closure at all points though.
The lack of a Defiance sequel is something that is pretty damn depressing. 
I thought gamermd83 summarized the overall experience of ME3 and the end pretty well.... although for me personally I'm just like well it is what it is, I like it for what it is ultimately just fine.
This leaves them all in the dust. This went back in time and wrecked the entire trilogy for me! This is worse than Ewoks. Worse even than the Holiday Special!
I can understand this. ME introduced the concept of 50000 year cycles early on, and my immediate reaction was how are they going to write themselves out of this. They didn't, and it does invalidate all the previous material in ME when think of the the whole trilogy holistically.
Fortunately, i can shut my pc down when I kill Maurauder Shields and pretend the ending was "fade to black". The ME trilogy is great this way.
Well, obviously the Reapers rebuild the relay network in Control, Synthesis and Refuse. You know, it being the main ingredient in their whole galactic trap thing.
AI Shepard's dialog is pretty much the same stuff the TIM and Sovereign were spewing. It is clearly indoctrinated. If you ever read the comic with the Arca Monolith (TIM's origin) you'll know that the blue lightning is insta-husk tech. It's what gave TIM his blue eyes when a spark of it hit him and it gives Shepard those same blue synthetics before disintegrating him. Not only that, but ALL Reapers are indoctrinated themselves. Every single worthy race that fought Reapers became the thing they were fighting. Why would it be any different for Shepard? Why would the writers inform the player that the Reapers always push for Control, have a verified indoctrinated TIM literally try to convince you 5 minutes prior, have Shepard soundly shoot it down and then immediately afterwards believe in Control to such an extent that he's willing to blindly trust a Reaper to the point of killing himself. You don't find this odd?
You can ascribe to bad writing if you wish. That's cool. But it's also akin to saying dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, but God created them as is with all that carbon. Sure, that's conceivable I guess. But seeing as it doesn't fit within the scope of a coherent understandable universe it's not really a subject worthy of scientific debate. Within the realm of science it's irrelevant as it's outside the realm of scientific scrutiny. So staying within the realm of science (i.e. lore, story, etc.), Control has to be an indoctrinated ending. It literally cannot be what the kid claims. The control area itself was already there BEFORE the Crucible even docked. It's literally hardwired into the Citadel. Why would the Reapers put a device there with the sole purpose of giving up their own power? That makes no sense at all.
But I must reiterate. If Control gives you warm fuzzies and you're willing to accept it for that reason, logic be damned, that is your prerogative. Andromeda is what it is so that you're given the choice.
I understand entirely what you are saying. I do. The way that the game story plays out, everything you laid out makes total sense, it backs up the Indoctrination/Deception theory entirely.
You said we can just chalk it up to bad writing but that is like saying God created the dinosaurs. You aren't entirely wrong. However this IS a created universe. The "God/s" of this universe have already been established as Bioware and their writers. The difference here is that you believe that all that was written was done purposefully to continue to spark the very discussion we are having. That the full truth of the matter was never admitted too but very strongly hinted at but never disclosed. If I believed that to be the case I would be in awe of the writers genius. Truly I would.
The problem is they have done such a terrible job in other aspects of the story, including using what is universally considered to be bad device; a dues ex machina to wrap up their 3 game long trilogy. Admittedly I gave an ear to the theory, though not too seriously. Now though with Andromeda and the complete abandonment of the previous trilogies ending and stories...well I have to believe that they never intended for this to be a thing.
Speaking in terms of the series, the fact that there was no sequel to Defiance showing Kain and Raziel bro-ing out with Raziel as Kain's bro-sword is a problem.
Speaking in terms of the game itself, SR ended pretty abruptly, but SR2 expands on that pretty nicely.
I think overall, the SR series gives decent closure at all points though.
SR2 is better than 1.
Absolutely, and when the implausible contrivances in every game have stopped them from ever being made?
This is a poorly constructed sentence, but I guess you're asking "when has that ever stopped them?" And you'd have a point.
What's implausible is the notion that the galactic civilization could find and expend every habitable cranny in the MW before they destroyed themselves (reapers or no) or evolved into something completely different. That's a double edged argument, I guess, since that's an argument in favor of staying in the MW - we're never gonna run out of places to go.
However, the idea that a concentrated attack on the MW's civilization base being enough to cripple that civilization and hinder any real attempts at expansion within the MW is more plausible as a catalyst (zing) for the flight to Andromeda. If that is in fact what precipitates the flight to Andromeda, because of course we don't know why we're going yet.
Ok, what is the argument?
The argument is that they lost the thread very quickly. ME2 starts on a profoundly stupid note, and doesn't really improve through the rest of that game or the next.
Focusing on a single PC, with a single conflict (or a different aspect of the previously depicted conflict), telling nicely self-contained stories, as they do in Dragon Age, is a much better approach.
Broadly speaking, I agree - although I thought that ME2 was worse than ME3 in terms of the story, so my expectations were already somewhat low.
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To me there has to actually be a story for there to be a bad story Sadly I went into ME3 with low expectations too. It just failed to even live up to that.
What was wrong with Soul Reaver's ending?
What was wrong was it wasn't an ending at all, it was simply "to be continued" Right in the middle of discovering something important.
It was right up there with ME3's original "Buy our DLC!" except it was more of a "Buy our next game!"
SR2 is better than 1.
It was in ME2. They made that ship to suit the big squad. Then wasted it in ME3.
SR2 is better than 1.
This is another of those incredibly rare instances where I don't disagree with you. Although honestly, it's hard to argue either game's primacy. They're both great
SR2 has some really cool reveals. Defiance remains my favorite, though.
The lack of a Defiance sequel is something that is pretty damn depressing.
Honestly, I watch the cutscenes like a movie once a year.
Most ironic of all was the last gift that Raziel had given me, more powerful than the sword that now held his soul, more acute even than the vision his sacrifice had accorded me – the first bitter taste of that terrible illusion: Hope.
Fortunately, i can shut my pc down when I kill Maurauder Shields and pretend the ending was "fade to black". The ME trilogy is great this way.
I wish I could do that. In fact, I wish I could take many of the paths others do to find peace with ME3
I wish I could shut the game down after maurauder shields
Or the "best seats in the house" talk.
I wish I could simply end the game after the Citadel party
I wish I could believe in IT
I wish I could believe that EDI and the geth could be repaired after the Red wave
I wish I could just make Cronos station the final mission of the game
But most of all, I wish Bioware had peer-reviewed these awful, misanthropic endings.
There's nothing misanthropic about destroy. I'd call it pretty uplifting, if anything.
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