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[FKA_Servo]

What fallout would that be? That  folks would be upset that their choice doesn't matter? Big deal. They can promote the game for folks that haven't played the trilogy just like they did for ME3 that it's the best place to start playing a trilogy

 

Well, in this case, it would be the beginning - which is the best place to start playing.

 

And personally, I could have lived with it, even while thinking it was a little stupid. I wrote ME2 and ME3 off as lost causes long ago, and I wouldn't overly mind establishing a canon in order to kick off the next chapter. But if they do want to stand behind their extremely variable vision in ME3 at all, I can see why they would want to sidestep the whole thing. And sure, promote for a new audience, but it's not a great idea to alienate your existing audience (any more than you already have).

[straykat]

If you didn't even like ME2, why care about the setting at all?

 

It's like people are in love with the idea of Mass Effect, but not the actuality. And now they're putting their hopes in this Andromeda game. Expect more disappointment

[AlanC9]

What fallout would that be? That  folks would be upset that their choice doesn't matter? Big deal. They can promote the game for folks that haven't played the trilogy just like they did for ME3 that it's the best place to start playing a trilogy

But then what's the advantage of doing it your way?

[Hexi-decimal]

If you didn't even like ME2, why care about the setting at all?

 

It's like people are in love with the idea of Mass Effect, but not the actuality. And now they're putting their hopes in this Andromeda game. Expect more disappointment

I will put off being disappointed until I am.  Not because I refuse to face reality, but because I am emotionally lazy.

[FKA_Servo]

If you didn't even like ME2, why care about the setting at all?

 

It's like people are in love with the idea of Mass Effect, but not the actuality. And now they're putting their hopes in this Andromeda game. Expect more disappointment

 

I am quite emphatically in love with the idea of Mass Effect. And I love ME1.

 

And I liked ME2 a lot, and finished it at least 5 times - it's just that saying I didn't care for the 4(?) missions that comprised the horribly railroaded main storyline is a massive understatement. Moment to moment it was terrific, if a little undercooked. The moment to moment in ME3 was great - better, maybe, than ME2 - but it did a terrible job of trying to get the story back on track, and then the ending was stupid.

 

I'm excited for Andromeda for reasons that other players are dreading it. I want to explore giant-ass planets in the Mako with no sense of urgency whatsoever.

[straykat]

I am quite emphatically in love with the idea of Mass Effect. And I love ME1.

 

And I liked ME2 a lot, and finished it at least 5 times - it's just that saying I didn't care for the 4(?) missions that comprised the horribly railroaded main storyline is a massive understatement. Moment to moment it was terrific, if a little undercooked. The moment to moment in ME3 was great - better, maybe, than ME2 - but it did a terrible job of trying to get the story back on track, and then the ending was stupid.

 

I'm excited for Andromeda for reasons that other players are dreading it. I want to explore giant-ass planets in the Mako with no sense of urgency whatsoever.

 

I can understand wanting to explore planets and such. But I'd rather explore giant ass planets without the baggage. It's like Mass Effect, but not Mass Effect. They'd have been better off without this runaround and just simply making "Not Mass Effect".

[themikefest]

But then what's the advantage of doing it your way?

Not my way. Only a suggestion at what they could do.

[In Exile]

Half the people never reach the ending to begin with.

I've played plenty of games with flawed endings. I played Dragon Age 2. I've played Soul Reaver. I've played KOTOR 2. I've played Life is Strange. I played Invisible War, for crying out loud!

This leaves them all in the dust. This went back in time and wrecked the entire trilogy for me! This is worse than Ewoks. Worse even than the Holiday Special!

Sure I'd like more MW stories. I'd like to properly visit Earth or Palaven, or go back to the Citadel, Omega, Thessia, etc.

But even more, I'd like to not have in the back of my mind "We're in Andromeda because Bioware frakked up and is too proud to admit it"

How would you not have it in the back of your mind that we're getting more MW stories because Bioware frakked up and is too proud to admit it? I guess you just need to hear them say they ending is bad? What if they say they're incredibly proud of the ending and think it's the pinnacle of their writing but out of commercial sensibility they're wiping away ME3, with a heavy heart?

It seems to me this isn't about the game, this is just a personal need to be told by Bioware that you're right.

Like, again, I don't disagree with the sentiment. ME3 also wrecked the past games for me. But I don't see the big deal ultimately or how Bioware could fix it beyond just a soft reboot of the entire series, and frankly dropping the Reapers entirely.

[straykat]

The only thing that ME3 wrecked for me was the lack of other squad members. Trying to reinvent the wheel at the last minute... especially with Vega. They should have put more effort into what they already had.

 

And I think Walters figured that out. It was his idea to create the Citadel DLC. And his idea to make all the Foundation comics. But I would have preferred him trying harder with the actual main game.

[AlanC9]

Not my way. Only a suggestion at what they could do.

"Following your suggestion," then. Same question; what's the advantage?

[FKA_Servo]

The only thing that ME3 wrecked for me was the lack of other squad members. Trying to reinvent the wheel at the last minute... especially with Vega. They should have put more effort into what they already had.

 

And I think Walters figured that out. It was his idea to create the Citadel DLC. And his idea to make all the Foundation comics. But I would have preferred him trying harder with the actual main game.

 

It could have worked well enough here, I agree - if only because the cast of ME2 was way to big to do most of them - or any of them - justice. But then you've got to balance that with folks who want and expect new faces anyway.

 

The cast of ME is just too damn big in general. One scene brings it home - I've only got one completed trilogy run, as a dutiful paragon. At the end, when you have your "check in" with everyone, there are so many there, and it takes such a long time, that it comes across as absurd.

 

This is one of my beefs with recurring PCs - it makes it tough to please everyone when it comes to squadmates and returning characters. With a new PC in each game, there's no issue with introducing and exploring a bunch of new faces each game.

[themikefest]

"Following your suggestion," then. Same question; what's the advantage?

Staying in the Milky Way

seeing familiar areas even familiar characters

opening new areas in the Milky Way to explore

seeing the rebuilding of the galaxy

[straykat]

It could have worked well enough here, I agree - if only because the cast of ME2 was way to big to do most of them - or any of them - justice. But then you've got to balance that with folks who want and expect new faces anyway.

 

This is one of my beefs with recurring PCs - it makes it tough to please everyone when it comes to squadmates and returning characters. With a new PC in each game, there's no issue with introducing and exploring a bunch of new faces each game.

 

I think Javik and EDI were enough for new faces. They're kind of larger than life too... what more need is there than that.

 

Vega just sucks. He's like the poor man version of things they already did. Like a weak amalgamation of Ash, Grunt, and Jack. Or something. Not sure. At least EDI broke new ground that Legion couldn't touch.

 

edit: Also, we didn't need another Soldier... when the vast majority already played soldiers.

[themikefest]

I think Javik and EDI were enough for new faces. They're kind of larger than life too... what more need is there than that.

Javik I agree with. The platform I don't. I would've left the thing as a hologram and brought in an ME2 squadmate instead
 

Vega just sucks. He's like the poor man version of things they already did. Like a weak amalgamation of Ash, Grunt, and Jack. Or something. Not sure.

I didn't mind Vega. Though I would've preferred having an ME2 squadmate instead

[FKA_Servo]

I think Javik and EDI were enough for new faces. They're kind of larger than life too... what more need is there than that.

 

Vega just sucks. He's like the poor man version of things they already did. Like a weak amalgamation of Ash, Grunt, and Jack. Or something. Not sure. At least EDI broke new ground that Legion couldn't touch.

 

Meh. I don't hate Vega - he's pretty transparently there as a cypher for all those new players who jumped in for ME3, since that's the best place to start, but I thought he was funny. I'd rather have him than EDI or Javik, honestly (but then I have plenty of ideas on what they should have done). But again, I only spent one playthrough with these guys.

 

I can still take or leave a huge proportion of ME2's cast, though. I thought there were too many for the game, but I'm also not too enamored with many of the characters themselves.

 

I wish they'd brought back Kasumi and Zaeed. DLC both, but they're a couple of the best squadmates around.

[straykat]

Javik I agree with. The platform I don't. I would've left the thing as a hologram and brought in an ME2 squadmate instead
 

I didn't mind Vega. Though I would've preferred having an ME2 squadmate instead

 

I just meant they're both very alien and otherworldly and cover new ground.. You can't agree with that about EDI?

 

I don't dislike Vega in and of himself, but the ME2 squad had much better. It especially pisses me off though because my favorite characters were Jack and Grunt.

[straykat]

Meh. I don't hate Vega - he's pretty transparently there as a cypher for all those new players who jumped in for ME3, since that's the best place to start, but I thought he was funny. I'd rather have him than EDI or Javik, honestly (but then I have plenty of ideas on what they should have done). But again, I only spent one playthrough with these guys.

 

I can still take or leave a huge proportion of ME2's cast, though. Wish they'd brought back Kasumi and Zaeed. DLC both, but they're a couple of the best squadmates around.

 

**** those people. Seriously. Why bend over backwards for that?

 

"Best place to start!"

 

It's like catering to someone who jumped into the middle of the Godfather trilogy and re-explaining everything for them. No one does that. So why is it different for games?

[FKA_Servo]

**** those people. Seriously. Why bend over backwards for that?

 

"Best place to start!"

 

It's like catering to someone who jumped into the middle of the Godfather trilogy and re-explaining everything for them. No one does that. So why is it different for games?

 

That was sarcasm. I'm not suggesting they should. When they dropped that little nugget, I'm quite sure I head desked. I can't imagine why they would do that.

 

I think he was a decent character in spite of that, is all. I thought adding an actual prothean was a little hackneyed. And to this day, I think EDI should have hopped on board with Legion, Khem'Val/Zash style.

[straykat]

I'm not suggesting they should. When they dropped that little nugget, I'm quite sure I head desked. I can't imagine why they would do that.

 

I think he was a decent character in spite of that, is all. I thought adding an actual prothean was a little hackneyed. And to this day, I think EDI should have hopped on board with Legion, Khem'Val/Zash style.

 

Well he didn't do anything in particular that annoys me. It's just the void that I was angry about.

 

But that's my main complaint about ME3. I don't have many gripes about it actually... not in the Ending Hater camp really either. I liked my choice personally and thought I could give the story a rest.

[Spectr61]

Don't have be an endings hater (I am) to see that the simple law of exponential growth makes a clean slate necessary.

All those decisions throughout the trilogy make a coherent follow-on unwieldy if not impossible.

To many end state possibilities. The sad fact that there are 4 different endings is only gas on an existing fire.

[AlanC9]

Staying in the Milky Way
seeing familiar areas even familiar characters
opening new areas in the Milky Way to explore
seeing the rebuilding of the galaxy

I thought we were talking about satisfying the new fans, not the existing ones. These points are for existing fans.

If you want to talk about existing fans, we can, but then you don't get to just handwave away the downsides of the proposal. How is this better than canonizing something?

[dreamgazer]

Don't have be an endings hater (I am) to see that the simple law of exponential growth makes a clean slate necessary.

All those decisions throughout the trilogy make a coherent follow-on unwieldy if not impossible.

To many end state possibilities. The sad fact that there are 4 different endings is only gas on an existing fire.

Entirely accurate.

[SKAR]

Nah; just canonize Destroy. The quarians destroyed the geth at Rannoch, and EDI is a regrettable casualty of war.

What gives bioware the RIGHT to kill them and let us live. **** You catalyst.

[SKAR]

nope.

The endings are what they are. They are bad. So what sometimes in life a series ends on a wimper vs a bang. Lets all be adults about this and move on.

Can't you see what's happening here? Nobody here has "moved on". I've come to terms with the endings myself but I'm fed up with this constant whining. I just wish bioware would set things right so people shut up. It's never going away. If Andromeda is something really special then hopefully more people can move on.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe?  I dunno.  No ending at all is arguably better than the endings we got
 
Frankly I'd rather they just made Shepard a fictional character within the Mass Effect universe.

[Conrad wakes up in a cold sweat]

Wife: What's wrong?

Conrad: I had the craziest dream. Remember that guy that lived on the Presidium? Shepard? He came to our Christmas party. Danced all weird.

Wife: You mean the guy that spent all his money at the Consort?

Conrad: Yeah. I had this dream that he became the first human Spectre and was saving the galaxy. He put a gun in my face and everyone seemed to just do what he told them. He even hung up on the Council.

Wife: *laughs* I can't imagine what they'd do if someone did that. I mean, you've been a Spectre for years and they'd probably suspend you at the drop of a hat.