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None of The Decisions Made in Me3 wont matter in Adromeda? WTH? Thats BS


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Whose peace?

 

Wait, don't answer that. I think people who like to control things can't see what I'm trying to say.

It's not about a love of control, it's about saving lives. The synthetic ones immediately, the ones whom the repurposed Reapers can help shortly thereafter.


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What sort of energy pulse could wipe out all Linux systems but leave Windows alone?

Magic! Love Magic to be precise. And that's where Asari come into play.



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you're being an ***hole over some crap endings. Why shouldn't you be treated as such?

 

Since when was I an ******* over the endings? I like the endings.

 

I even like Control. but only in how entertaining it'd be. It would be fun to actually see it play out for the flawed utopia that it is. As all utopias are. And all things that espouse sole leadership to a self-proclaimed "god", in the name of Peace. You played a Paragon, and suddenly think that makes it exempt? Not all Dictators are Cackling Cartoon Villains. The whole history of communism would tell you this much. Every one of them spoke of good intent and protecting people, in the name of some greater good. Then they proceeded to annihilate millions.

 

But I do like Control.. just because there's a good story there.



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Since when was I an ******* over the endings? I like the endings.

 

I even like Control. but only in how entertaining it'd be. It would be fun to actually see it play out for the flawed utopia that it is. As all utopias are. And all things that espouse sole leadership to a self-proclaimed "god", in the name of Peace. You played a Paragon, and suddenly think that makes it exempt? Not all Dictators are Cackling Cartoon Villains. The whole history of communism would tell you this much. Every one of them spoke of good intent and protecting people, in the name of some greater good. Then they proceeded to annihilate millions.

There's no need to be a dictator at all, only a protector. Actually setting galactic policy is not even close to a must.



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I just mean you can't control for a long time... like... slavery is immensely damaging to the slavers as much as the slaves.

 

I guess you can temporarily exert dominance or something but in the long term it's destined to fail.

 

The only way to control people is when they don't even know they are being controlled.



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I just mean you can't control for a long time... like... slavery is immensely damaging to the slavers as much as the slaves.

 

I guess you can temporarily exert dominance or something but in the long term it's destined to fail.

 

The only way to control people is when they don't even know they are being controlled.

The Reapers have never had free will; it isn't actually slavery.



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I just mean you can't control for a long time... like... slavery is immensely damaging to the slavers as much as the slaves.

 

I guess you can temporarily exert dominance or something but in the long term it's destined to fail.

 

The only way to control people is when they don't even know they are being controlled.

 

 

 

It's not like that applies to a subconscious hivemind/operating program/whatever the Catalyst actually is.

 

My computer wasn't injured when I went from Windows 8 to Windows 10, just changed. I'm sure the Reapers were changed by jumping from LeviathanAI to Shep1.0, but I'm not sure it's fair to call it slavery, since we don't have a real world analogue for that.

 

There's a lot of potential stories in control, some of them standard 'rebelling against the overlord' and some of them more intriguing. I like the shadow observers, with no one knowing why the Reapers changed, why they helped rebuild, why they retreated to the fringes to watch, or what happened to Shepard.



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There's no need to be a dictator at all, only a protector. Actually setting galactic policy is not even close to a must.

 

Your very presence would be a policy. Just how much could people do with Reapers literally floating around everywhere. It isn't very conducive to chaos or creativity for anyone else. They might even self-impose it on themselves, out of fear or not knowing whether or not they have limitations to begin with.

 

Or are you going to just float around as some kind of impersonal janitor? That sounds....boring. But to each their own.


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Why do people give a rat's ass about control being a dictatorship? If there is anything the ME series shows it is that democracy is for idiots.


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Your very presence would be a policy. Just how much could people do with Reapers literally floating around everywhere. It isn't very conducive to chaos or creativity for anyone else. They might even self-impose it on themselves, out of fear or not knowing whether or not they have limitations to begin with.

 

Or are you going to just float around as some kind of impersonal janitor? That sounds....boring. But to each their own.

Mostly, my plan is to be a check on galactic warfare.



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That's kind of a bummer.

 

I mean, how hard can it be to put a green, red or blue filter over everything based on the ending one picked in ME3?

 

:D



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Why do people give a rat's ass about control being a dictatorship? If there is anything the ME series shows it is that democracy is for idiots.

Especially with how the series glorifies authoritarianism and doing things outside regulations or "red tape" with things like the Spectres or Cerberus.


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Mostly, my plan is to be a check on galactic warfare.

 

And there's a big policy right there. Even far more reaching than the original reapers.



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And there's a big policy right there. Even far more reaching than the original reapers.

The Council had that as a policy too, they just couldn't enforce it.



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I don't think the series necessarily promotes authoritarianism. A lot of groups just want to self-define.. and there's an underlying current (as in all space settings) of just chaos as being the way of things. It's the Reapers who fight this. 

 

Destroying the Council, for example, isn't necessarily an authoritarian act. It's the exact opposite... at least if you take it away from Udina's hands.


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The series definitely has militaristic leanings, given the portrayal of the military vs politicians leans so heavily towards the military its hard to argue otherwise. That doesn't mean the writers are endorsing a militaristic viewpoint, much less something like fascist glorification of violence, but the trend is there.
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Every politican in ME is corrupt or some incompetent degenerate (or both), only strong military leaders with ultimate authority has what it takes to lead the galaxy.



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I think it's pretty balanced... as the endings are.

 

I just choose the more chaotic route when it comes up. It doesn't have to be with AI either.. or the Council. The Krogan is another big choice with those sides. edit: They kind of weakened that arc by getting rid of the male Shaman though.



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The series definitely has militaristic leanings, given the portrayal of the military vs politicians leans so heavily towards the military its hard to argue otherwise. That doesn't mean the writers are endorsing a militaristic viewpoint, much less something like fascist glorification of violence, but the trend is there.

The whole concept of the Spectres is downright scary, it'd be akin to an FBI agent having the authority to blow up an entire Mcdonalds full of people just to get rid of one wanted/suspected criminal, but apparently nobody in the ME universe seems phased by it, including Paragon Shep.


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Destroy is best... did I mention that?
 
It's really the only option.


Control

Eternal. Infinite. Immortal.
The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them.
Through his death, I was created. Through my birth, his thoughts are freed. They guide me now, give me reason, direction.
There is power in control. There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy.

Shepard spouting the same stuff TIM and Sovereign were saying even though Shepard has disproved Sovereign's claims. Yeah, a non-indoctrinated Shepard would really call Reapers eternal, infinite and immortal. This isn't even taking into account how people think the Kid is incapable of lying, even though just beforehand it was trying to convince Shepard that Reapers are just dumb machines just doing what they are designed to do. LOL. The game and the books (especially the books) show this to be false as there are parts where the reader gets a look from the perspective of the Reapers themselves as Paul Grayson is hooked into their collective. They are not just dumb programs following ancient orders.

If we are to take the Kid seriously, I'm sure Shepard can police the galaxy where the Reapers apparently couldn't. Billions of years of experience will surely be shadowed by 30 odd years of Shepard's vast knowledge. We can have upmost confidence that he will not fail and resort to the Harvest. A race of super computer AI's collective brainpower and experience couldn't solve the problem but Shepard will. OK. LOL. And if Shepard can keep everything under control by just policing everything, then the Kid is lying about inevitably, having no other choice than the Cycle and whatnot. There is no way any of it can add up properly.


Synthesis

Saren says, "The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."
The Kid says, "Organics will be perfected by fully integrating with synthetic technology. Synthetics in turn will finally have full understanding of organics."
Sovereign says, "We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution."
Harbinger says, "We are the harbinger of your perfection."

Saren says, "I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life."
The Kid says, "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."
Sovereign says, "We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence."
Harbinger says, "Progress cannot be halted. Evolution cannot be stopped. We are your genetic destiny."

Saren says, "This is our destiny."
The Kid says, "It is inevitable that you will reach Synthesis."
Sovereign says, "We are the end of everything."
Harbinger says, "You have only delayed the inevitable. They will be as we are."

The ending where everyone is forced into a drugged state of submission. And all the husks simply mimic the behavior of any organic nearby. Joker is still limping and the organics are still physically weak and require two people to carry a crate. Literally nothing changed but some skin lights and the sudden placation of all organic resistance. And let's not forget that Reapers are already synthesized. What is synthesis going to do to them? This is going to end well for sure. LOL.


Destroy

All the things are rekt. The End.
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#446
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If we are to take the Catalyst seriously, I'm sure Shepard can police the galaxy where the Reapers apparently couldn't. Billions of years of experience will surely be shadowed by 30 odd years of Shepard's vast knowledge. We can have upmost confidence that he will not fail and resort to the Harvest. A race of super computer AI's collective brainpower and experience couldn't solve the problem but Shepard will. OK. LOL.

Um, the Catalyst's mandate was never to police the galaxy, it was to find a permanent solution to the organic/synthetic conflicts. If the eternal and doomed nature of such is, as you postulate, fallacious, then the Shepard-Catalyst wouldn't have to worry about it at all.



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The Reapers are not Windows 10.



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The Reapers are not Windows 10.

 

They're Vista.


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Um, the Catalyst's mandate was never to police the galaxy, it was to find a permanent solution to the organic/synthetic conflicts. If the eternal and doomed nature of such is, as you postulate, fallacious, then the Shepard-Catalyst wouldn't have to worry about it at all.


Yes, and policing the galaxy would be that permanent solution. At least a try. To say that turning all organics to paste was their first and only approach proves it's lying when it says "chaos" is inevitable. How can it state such a thing without attempting all avenues. But I guess that's a logical conclusion and this is the no logic zone.

You should probably rewatch Leviathan conversation. They aren't fulfilling there mandate. The Leviathans don't even know what they're up to.

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Yes, and policing the galaxy would be that permanent solution. At least a try. To say that turning all organics to paste was their first and only approach proves it's lying when it says "chaos" is inevitable. How can it state such a thing without attempting all avenues. But I guess that's a logical conclusion and this is the no logic zone.

You should probably rewatch Leviathan conversation. They aren't fulfilling there mandate. The Leviathans don't even know what they're up to.

The Catalyst was altered somehow by the attachment of the Crucible. I suspect this was one of those functions of the Crucible that the current cycle didn't know about. And we also don't know what the Catalyst's thought process was, though it was likely based on flawed premises.