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[KaiserShep]

Synthesis is the worst.

Truth. A pox on it all!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In addition to all of the other problems due to various world states...

The Milky Way is a mess.

Billions of people killed, relays in various states of functionality, some worlds destroyed and others badly damaged, etc.

Unless you tried to fast-forward way into the future, the setting would be post-apocalyptic.

That's one of the worst things about this choice. There was so much potential for storytelling in the galactic reconstruction era that would have existed. But instead they throw that potential away with everything else in order to create this new 'Mass Effect' game. 

[warlorejon]

Stop feeding the troll

[KaiserShep]

That's one of the worst things about this choice. There was so much potential for storytelling in the galactic reconstruction era that would have existed. But instead they throw that potential away with everything else in order to create this new 'Mass Effect' game.

What potential? The only way to do this would be to pick an ending and run with it. This would probably aggravate more people than simply avoiding that mess altogether.

[Natureguy85]

ME3 decisions wont matter in ME4??? WTH http://www.gamespot....6441040/</span>, endings have to matter!!! like if u chose mix human & machine, synthesizes ending then hole galaxy is... so all humans are to, so they half to mention it, talk about in game about how it changed their life, before u finish creating char it asks which ending u chose & world is slightly different depending on ur choice, but cause u explore far away galaxy then as i said slightly different, at least its mention in dialogues, that BS & i don't mean the talk is, BS is if they make it so nothing u made in ME3 doesn't matter, endings have to matter!!! that makes me think of not buying the game, a free copy maybe

 

its nice if in char creation u can chose 1 from all endings & wold is effected by what u chose, no Me3 save needed, u just answer a question

 

My good man, the entire reason the new game will be in Andromeda is to avoid the choices from ME3.

 

 

 

Not to mention Schrödinger's Geth and a legion of other choices. I loved the trilogy, but it's nice to get out from under the crushing weight of Shepard's galaxy changing choices.

 

Besides, I hope we're having a brand new trilogy with brand new choices to inflict headaches on the writers in the sequel.

 

Ha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're obviously a tool if you don't shoot star kid catalyst.

100% agree

 

 

http://forum.bioware...ndings-updated/

 

You'll like the second to last line in particular.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What potential? The only way to do this would be to pick an ending and run with it. This would probably aggravate more people than simply avoiding that mess altogether.

You seriously don't see any potential in participating in the galactic reconstruction? 

Or develop a worldstate that can be applicable to the three endings. Other companies have done so successfully, so Bioware should be able to do it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Synthesis is the worst.

It was better than the genocide choices.

[KaiserShep]

Or develop a worldstate that can be applicable to the three endings. Other companies have done so successfully, so Bioware should be able to do it.

Are there applicable examples you have in mind?

[goishen]

have to matter!!! like if you chose mix human & machine, synthesizes ending then hole galaxy is... so all humans are too, so they have to mention it, talk about in

 

 

I got to this line, with so many spelling errors I just had to go in and correct them.  This line is where I stopped reading, BTW.

 

And uhh, what are synthesizes?

[KaiserShep]

Or develop a worldstate that can be applicable to the three endings. Other companies have done so successfully, so Bioware should be able to do it.

Are there applicable examples you have in mind? A mix of all 3 wouldn't work either. It's simply too much baggage.

[Furisco]

You don't like it but that's how it's gonna be.

 

And you will not play a game that probably gonna be really good just because of something that doesn't make sense? 

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Are there applicable examples you have in mind?

The Deus Ex franchise comes to mind. Human Revolution had different endings, with parallels between them and Mass Effect 3 even being made, and yet Mankind Divided managed to make it work.

[KaiserShep]

The Deus Ex franchise comes to mind. Human Revolution had different endings, with parallels between them and Mass Effect 3 even being made, and yet Mankind Divided managed to make it work.

No, I don't see a messy mix of all 3 endings working here at all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, I don't see a messy mix of all 3 endings working here at all.

The fact you can't see it does not mean it can't be done. 

[KaiserShep]

The fact you can't see it does not mean it can't be done.

Ok, so how would this game account for purposely dooming the krogan, leaving the rachni to extinction and allowing the geth to wipe out the quarians and then wiping out synthetics? Deus Ex doesn't come close.

[SKAR]

1st things first. I don't give a ****!!!!!!!! Whats done is done. but it could've been done better. Second, They were never planning on continuing after a trilogy until the game got super popular. They probably should've prepared or made a canon ending but they didn't. It should be been simple, Ending 1, sending the reapers back into darkspace and living happily ever after, no synthetics die and we find our own way to stop chaos, taking our chances.(canon) bad ending: refusal and/or death.(non canon) ending 3.Synthesis(non canon because there is peace. Ending 4. Control(non canon cause there is peace) there could be something like dragon age keep. 1 canon ending. The rest either result in the decimation of the galaxy or galactic unity and peace. That's how I would've done it. It's basically the same thing I just didn't like the destroy ending cause of death to synthetics. Destroy could be made a canon ending but it was a huge middle finger to beloved races and characters. There is a future in it but there is a dilemma. Why do the geth and edi have to die? Sacrifice few for the many? Construct a monument in their honor after the war? The catalyst could've damn well sent the reapers away. All the other ones either end up in death or galactic peace with no continuation. Maybe control has a future but I'm not sure. Canon endings are necessary for future installments unless they implement something like dragon age keep and depending on the end result of the ending, be canon or non canon. But what done is done. Can't go back. No point in crying about it now. One can only dream of a better ending.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ok, so how would this game account for purposely dooming the krogan, leaving the rachni to extinction and allowing the geth to wipe out the quarians and then wiping out synthetics? Deus Ex doesn't come close.

Krogan would still be around for millennia so will still be in the galaxy regardless of the events on Tuchanka. They are also slowly getting over the Genophage naturally.

Rachni will almost certainly go back into hiding even if alive so wouldn't show up. That or Salarian experiment goes right or wrong. 

Quarians are allowed to leave the fleet at any time if they disagree with the Flotilla, and some already have since they are still around regardless of events on Rannoch, so have them be ones that left. 

Geth are like the Quarians in terms of Rannoch choice, and with Destroy have it so the Geth had a plan to hide some of them outside the galaxy in case things went wrong(you know, what we're doing in MEA) and come back after. 

[SKAR]

but humans are no longer 100% human if u chose Syn ending (other races in the galaxy to) so they have to mention it in dialogue + its nice if it gives some special perks or skills to, all are partly machine, so discarding endings totally makes no sense

Well......our future is in technology. We are probably still the way we always were, just with green eyes and stuff. But there's no future in it cause there is peace.

[SKAR]

They should make refuse canon.

Just so the MW is 100% done and gone.

Then we are gone and we live on in Andromeda but it's not the same.

[KaiserShep]

Krogan would still be around for millennia so will still be in the galaxy regardless of the events on Tuchanka. They are also slowly getting over the Genophage naturally.
Rachni will almost certainly go back into hiding even if alive so wouldn't show up. That or Salarian experiment goes right or wrong.
Quarians are allowed to leave the fleet at any time if they disagree with the Flotilla, and some already have since they are still around regardless of events on Rannoch, so have them be ones that left.
Geth are like the Quarians in terms of Rannoch choice, and with Destroy have it so the Geth had a plan to hide some of them outside the galaxy in case things went wrong(you know, what we're doing in MEA) and come back after.

In other words, nothing Shepard did made a difference. For this to truly work, races we doom should stay doomed and never return if we're sticking to the same setting.

[SKAR]

Synthesis is the worst.

only because there is peace and no future in it. There could've been another way. I don't believe the Galaxy was ready for synthesis yet anyway. I really didn't care for it. With control at least everything stays the same but with reapers as and indestructible fleet and harnessing their tech for good.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In other words, nothing Shepard did made a difference.

No, it made a difference. The difference would be how the events led to this worldstate, and can be reflected in things like dialogue and the Codex. 

 

Not a perfect solution by any means, but it is much better than throwing everything away like they did. 

[The Twilight God]

Synthesis is impossible as presented in the game. Reaper tech mixing with organics does one thing only: Enslave.
Control is a Shepard flavored program continuing the Cycles, but with the Space Jesus factor. The next cycles stand no chance.
Destroy ruins the galaxy, sending it to a "stone age". Colonies cut off wither and die. Trillions lost.
Refuse is a glorified game over.

Why would they want to bum everyone out by revisiting those crappy outcomes. 3 only make sense if Shepard is indoctrinated into picking them and the only "win" option involves the fall of civilization. It's like how earth "won" in Independence Day: Resurgence. No thanks.

[The Twilight God]

Geth are like the Quarians in terms of Rannoch choice, and with Destroy have it so the Geth had a plan to hide some of them outside the galaxy in case things went wrong(you know, what we're doing in MEA) and come back after.

They don't have to explain the Geth. There is literally nothing in ME3 high EMS destroy that demonstrates the Crucible could magically pinpoint the 1's and 0's that were Geth as opposed the the 1's and 0's making up any other programs. There is nothing presented that proves the Geth are destroyed. Not even the Star Brat says this. That dialog was taken out in the EC, but people don't seem to realize this.

[SKAR]

Synthesis is impossible as presented in the game. Reaper tech mixing with organics does one thing only: Enslave.
Control is a Shepard flavored program continuing the Cycles, but with the Space Jesus factor. The next cycles stand no chance.
Destroy ruins the galaxy, sending it to a "stone age". Colonies cut off wither and die. Trillions lost.
Refuse is a glorified game over.

Why would they want to bum everyone out by revisiting those crappy outcomes. 3 only make sense if Shepard is indoctrinated into picking them and the only "win" option involves the fall of civilization. It's like how earth "won" in Independence Day: Resurgence. No thanks.

I do believe you never beat,the game with extended cut. Synthesis: its not reaper tech, it's the combining of synthetic and organic. No slavery. Control: shep controls the reapers and defends the galaxy, using them for good. Everything same but with reaper protection. Destroy: no stone age. Just edi and the geth dying.(just as bad) Galaxy rebuilt.