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[Sanunes]

The Deus Ex franchise comes to mind. Human Revolution had different endings, with parallels between them and Mass Effect 3 even being made, and yet Mankind Divided managed to make it work.

 

The only way Deus Ex would be close is if the end of the Human Revolution you had to pick that all Augmentations are destroyed, everyone is implanted with Augmentations even against their will, or that you release a nano-virus that gives everyone Augmentation-like abilities.  Human Revolution's ending choices can easily be ignored since if I remember correctly the ending choice was about who Jensen decided to place the blame on (or nobody) and the future down the road at an unspecified date.

[Natureguy85]

It was better than the genocide choices.

Synthesis is thematically the worst ending. Yes, Destroy sacrifices the Synthetics that the story told us were just as valuable as Organics, but synthesis forcibly erases the differences in a series about choice and how differences were good.

 

 

 

They don't have to explain the Geth. There is literally nothing in ME3 high EMS destroy that demonstrates the Crucible could magically pinpoint the 1's and 0's that were Geth as opposed the the 1's and 0's making up any other programs. There is nothing presented that proves the Geth are destroyed. Not even the Star Brat says this. That dialog was taken out in the EC, but people don't seem to realize this.

 

It actually says the opposite. The Catalyst specifically says "others will be destroyed as well" and "the Crucible will not discriminate." He says Shepard can Destroy all Synthetic life. What dialogue was taken out? We don't know exactly how far down something is considered life, but the obvious implication is that the Geth are included. The Extended Cut reflects this in it's cutscenes. Where Synthesis has a slide of the unmasked Quarian with a Geth and both Synthesis and Control have a Geth slide if the Quarians are dead, there is no Geth slide in Destroy.

 

Or can you get a Geth slide if you chose them over the Quarians and do Destroy?

[themikefest]

What potential? The only way to do this would be to pick an ending and run with it.

I don't see a problem with that. I would like to have a game after ME3 showing the rebuilding of the galaxy. I doubt everything was all goody-two-shoe in the epilogues that was shown.
 

This would probably aggravate more people than simply avoiding that mess altogether.

Those folks don't have to buy the game.
 

It was better than the genocide choices.

Genocide? What genocide? There wasn't any genocide when I pick destroy

[Kabooooom]

Not sure if troll...or if OP really doesn't realize that they changed the setting to Andromeda to 100% avoid the ME3 endings, most likely by having the Ark ships leave before the end of the Reaper War.

Going with troll due to spelling errors worse than a 15 year old.

[SKAR]

I don't see a problem with that. I would like to have a game after ME3 showing the rebuilding of the galaxy. I doubt everything was all goody-two-shoe in the epilogues that was shown.

Those folks don't have to buy the game.

Genocide? What genocide? There wasn't any genocide when I pick destroy/refuse

[themikefest]

 

I don't see a problem with that. I would like to have a game after ME3 showing the rebuilding of the galaxy. I doubt everything was all goody-two-shoe in the epilogues that was shown.

Those folks don't have to buy the game.

Genocide? What genocide? There wasn't any genocide when I pick destroy/refuse

 

Interesting you added refuse to my comment when I've never picked it. So why did you add it to my post?

[SKAR]

Interesting you added refuse to my comment when I've never picked it. So why did you add it to my post?

Genocide in a sense. If you picked it it would've been genocide. You said pick, it should've been picked. My bad.

[The Twilight God]

I do believe you never beat,the game with extended cut. Synthesis: its not reaper tech, it's the combining of synthetic and organic. No slavery. Control: shep controls the reapers and defends the galaxy, using them for good. Everything same but with reaper protection. Destroy: no stone age. Just edi and the geth dying.(just as bad) Galaxy rebuilt.

The EC only shows what happens up to the memorial scene. The picture slideshow is just what is HOPED will occur. None of it is narrated in past tense. It never actually actualizes before the credits role. You, as the player, are duped (i.e. indoctrinated) into thinking things turn out well. When you take the story elements from ME1-ME3, and the books and the comics it is undeniably clear that G and B cannot and do not work out as players would like. It cannot.

Synthesis is Reaper tech; objectively so. Where else does it come from? Not the Crucible and this has been proven via in-game content.

Shepard controlling the Reapers is laughable and the in-game lore itself demonstrates Control is a Reaper lie. In-game and comic content demonstrate this.

The relays are wrecked in even the best case Destroy scenario. Realizing their own idiocy and claiming on twitter than now relays were never necessary is bs. No one knows how to make or repair relays. And given the destruction across the galaxy they don't have the resources to research relay tech. They'd need to FTL to each relay even if they could fix them. I could go on and on about how civilization as they knew it essential got bombed to the "stone age".

All the endings are bad. Each one is a mess. Thank the goddess for the MEHEM.

[Armass81]

Do you know how hard it would be to take account the multiple things that happened in ME3 (Did you cure the krogan, did you save the geth/quarians, who died, who lived etc, not to mention the endings which changed the whole galaxy in more than 5 differetn ways ) for a direct sequel that followed after in the same place? It would require a dozen different games, or more, and even then someone would complain.

 

Given the state they left the game in youd have to have either the sequel in a completley different place(which is what were getting), or make it so far into the future where that which you chose has pretty much become meaningless anyways.

[The Twilight God]

It actually says the opposite. The Catalyst specifically says "others will be destroyed as well" and "the Crucible will not discriminate." He says Shepard can Destroy all Synthetic life. What dialogue was taken out? We don't know exactly how far down something is considered life, but the obvious implication is that the Geth are included. The Extended Cut reflects this in it's cutscenes. Where Synthesis has a slide of the unmasked Quarian with a Geth and both Synthesis and Control have a Geth slide if the Quarians are dead, there is no Geth slide in Destroy.

You need to look again. He does not say anything about "all synthetic life". You're still caught up on the original ending and filling in blanks that don't exist. He says only "synthetics" and when you ask him what he means by this he clarifies that synthetics = technology; Not AI in particular. The reason the idea is implanted into the players head is to make Green and Blue seem better. Without the Geth's survival being put into question no Paragons, who make up the vast majority of players, would pick anything other than Destroy. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what the Reapers illusion says. He isn't infallible or incapable of lying even if he did claim it. The actual ending proves that high EMS destroy only targets synthesized (i.e. machine/organic hybrid) materials and not all tech indiscriminately. Husks, the Reaper "terminators" and EDI's blue box (which was made from Sovereign) are the only thing we can see being affected.
 
I go into detail about this here: http://forum.bioware...2#entry11725851
 

Or can you get a Geth slide if you chose them over the Quarians and do Destroy?

Can you get a Elcor, Drell, Hanar, Batarian or Volus slide under any circumstance? I guess they all get wiped out? The slides are a reflection of the narrators hopes in regard to the future anyway. Listen to the actual dialog. It's in the present talking about what they either plan to do, hope will happen, etc. None of it actually occurs. Some of the stuff in the slides aren't even possible if you pick destroy (example: Samara ever seeing her daughter again). But that's another subject matter completely.

[Blueblood]

The trilogy's decisions mattered in the trilogy (though some people would argue against that), none of the decisions in ME3 and the rest of the trilogy will NEED to matter in ME:A. And of course it's a good work around.

If BW do ever decide to return to the MW, they're gonna have their work cut out for them, man.

[Iakus]

 

Given how unpopular the endings are by a lot of fans and the fact that the synthesis ending would put a green computer scan on all Milky Way characters which would be a pain to animate and that the control, destroy, and refuse endings wouldn't have that and that since the game is set in another galaxy why bring all the baggage (good and bad) from the original trilogy with it that would make any new story impossible to tell. The simple truth is that even if the ending had been loved by everybody all of the decisions would have become anchor around the series sooner or later and BioWare would have to cut the anchor just to tell any story in Mass Effect universe. 

 

The same is also true with Dragon Age.

Indeed, the whole point of going to Andromeda is to run as far away s possible from those Red, Green, and Blue garbage fires ME3 left us with.

[KaiserShep]

I don't see a problem with that. I would like to have a game after ME3 showing the rebuilding of the galaxy. I doubt everything was all goody-two-shoe in the epilogues that was shown.

I'd be pretty annoyed if we got some bastard hybrid of synthesis and control, which I feel would be the likeliest choice if we were stuck with Shepard's influence for all time.

Those folks don't have to buy the game.

No, but neither do folks who are seriously bothered by leaving the Milky Way.

[AlanC9]

The EC only shows what happens up to the memorial scene. The picture slideshow is just what is HOPED will occur.

Can you prove that? I mean, blah blah blah indoctrination isn't an argument. I get that you believe this stuff, but why should we?

And how does Hackett have hopes for people he's never met?

[KaiserShep]

Yeah I don't buy this hope stuff. Bio never said it as far as I can tell.

[Cz-99]

[AlanC9]

Yeah I don't buy this hope stuff. Bio never said it as far as I can tell.

Well, the premise of the theory is that Bio's lying to us, so this has no force for someone who's already signed on with it.

[The Twilight God]

Can you prove that? I mean, blah blah blah indoctrination isn't an argument. I get that you believe this stuff, but why should we?

And how does Hackett have hopes for people he's never met?

I literally starting this line of conversation with you in the back on my mind, Alan. You never disappoint.

You can watch all 3 endings on YouTube. The proof is in the pudding. It doesn't really matter if you accept or deny the facts. The facts are the facts. The wording is objectively present tense. None of it is past tense. None of it has happened.

That being the case, can you prove that any of it actualizes? I mean, blah blah blah it gives me warm fuzzies isn't an argument. I get that you believe this stuff happens, but why should we? Especially considering the very wording proves it hasn't.

And why wouldn't Hackett hope for good things to come to the Normandy crew, the krogan, qurians, etc.? You think he's some kind of heartless a-hole?

Let me ask you a question. How can Samara reunite with her daughter if she's in some out in the middle of nowhere star cluster with a population of 1 (Falere herself) with no relay network? How does Samara ever see Thessia again in her lifetime? How does Wrex and Grunt get back to Tuchanka overnight (Grunt still has baby plates)? How long do you figure it will take to rebuild planets that have been reduced to rubble (no infrastructure), then research mass relay technology and replicate it then fly to each relay in the network one by one repairing them to make a path to any given world? The Quarian homeworld is literally on the other side of the galaxy from Earth. Even slow boating it isn't an option and even then that's centuries for even the relatively close worlds to earth. Ugh, I could go on and on about the horrendous outcome of Destroy. Warm fuzzies aside every single ending is a trainwreck.

But I have no problem with you believing everything is fine and dandy. That's why they are ignoring it all. They know it's irredeemable garbage. And that's why Andromeda gives the players the ability to embrace their fantasies in regard to ME3. Even if those fantasies aren't in line with the actual game lore or story. For me the MEHEM will have to do as the canon ending. See?

[The Twilight God]

Well, the premise of the theory is that Bio's lying to us, so this has no force for someone who's already signed on with it.

Lying? No.

Being cleverly deceptive? Yes.

Hence, Deception Theory.

[SofaJockey]

who said anything about Andromeda's ending? its about ME3 endings, this have to matter in Andromeda 

 

How much does the 'Hundred Years War (1337-1443)' mean to you? 

That will be as much 'ancient history' as the coming of the Reapers will be to the Ark fleet.

 

Yes, it will feel like recent history to them, but they will know it's all gone.

As as we've established, they are likely not to know what happened in the end.

[LiechockiRJ]

Genocide? What genocide?

All of them. Arrival show what happening when you destroy a Relay.

The rest of the slides it's just

[Gothfather]

ME3 decisions wont matter in ME4??? WTH http://www.gamespot....6441040/</span>, endings have to matter!!! like if u chose mix human & machine, synthesizes ending then hole galaxy is... so all humans are to, so they half to mention it, talk about in game about how it changed their life, before u finish creating char it asks which ending u chose & world is slightly different depending on ur choice, but cause u explore far away galaxy then as i said slightly different, at least its mention in dialogues, that BS & i don't mean the talk is, BS is if they make it so nothing u made in ME3 doesn't matter, endings have to matter!!! that makes me think of not buying the game, a free copy maybe

 

its nice if in char creation u can chose 1 from all endings & wold is effected by what u chose, no Me3 save needed, u just answer a question

 

They never promised they would allow players to keep their choices ad infinitum. They promised you could do it for the trilogy and guess what you got that. Boo hoo you have to start a new story my heart bleeds for your first world problems.

 

As a consumer you have to decide if the game is worth a buy that is your only real power as a customer. If you don't like a game's design DON'T buy it. But I get teh feeling this isn't about that it is about outrage that Bioware isn't catering you your particular wants and desires. Well new flash you are not the only one on the planet. So suck it up or don't buy the game, that is the only choice because you can't change the direction of the game.

[spinachdiaper]

Bioware has been overwriting player choices on various levels for a while and the ME3 ending should of been just another rewrite to make ME4.

It would of been better if Bioware did just trample all over ME3's endings and forced a post destroy canon along with burying all choices from the trilogy by starting after a very long lapse of time post ME3.

An overwhelming majority of players that finished ME3 selected Destroy (which wasn't my choice either), that said the Destroy option does produce the least corrupted post ME3 universe and has the most potential for continuation.

[The Night Haunter]

Double negative leads to proof positive.....

 

Seriously, though, the story is set up so that the choices in ME3 can't have an effect.  To be honest, it's a clever way to do it since the ME3 endings were too varied to be practical. 

I'm going to like your post purely because it has a Clue reference.

[Scarlett]

make syn ending cannon ending , it wont be mentioned, MC doesn't understand the change in him or her, but he will figure out what happened to him, but not why, he gets hit by that wave that changed all while hes in FTL with hes ship, it also makes ship stop for short time

 

syn ending is the most interesting from all of them anyway

 

This thread again ?

 

There's no canon ending, BW said it. Your end is not better than others ! I picked the destroy ending (with shepard alive) but I don't want to impose my choice to anybody here. Why would you ?

Why there's always people who want their ending to be a better than all the others ? NO.

 

MEA a new galaxy, a fresh start, period.

 

 

Or write a story that allows you to avoid all of the endings because the PC and all of the characters have left the Milky Way prior to the end of ME3 and, therefore, aren't affected by the endings, thus allowing everyone to maintain their headcanon ending from ME3.  Oh wait.......that's what they did.