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[Natureguy85]

Basically, all you had to do to disprove the IT was ask yourself this, "Would the IT even exist in the first place if the so called "literal" endings were good?",and the answer was, of course not. The whole thing was sunk cost fallacy driven fanboy desperation for a "get out of bad ending free card" from the get-go.

 

I honestly thought this fanbase couldn't get more embarrassing after witnessing all the romance creepdom on here, but boy did the ITers prove me wrong.

 

Hey, DA2 had the Bethany incest crowd.

[goishen]

Basically, all you had to do to disprove the IT was ask yourself this, "Would the IT even exist in the first place if the so called "literal" endings were good?",and the answer was, of course not. The whole thing was sunk cost fallacy driven fanboy desperation for a "get out of bad ending free card" from the get-go.

 

I honestly thought this fanbase couldn't get more embarrassing after witnessing all the romance creepdom on here, but boy did the ITers prove me wrong.

 

 

I think it's a more conspiratorial mindset at work making the game end the way that they wanted it to end.  "What do you mean Pooh dies?  Nuh-uhhhhh!"

 

omfg

[dragonflight288]

who said anything about Andromeda's ending? its about ME3 endings, this have to matter in Andromeda

Why? They leave before the crucible is used. By that logic, the entire ending of ME3 does not apply to the new cast.

[Seboist]

Hey, DA2 had the Bethany incest crowd.

Can't blame them, given how awful the actual waifus in that game were.

[Cribbian]

I'm trying my best to view this as a new franchise so as few strings as possible works best for me.

There are no strings on me...andromeda.

And Merrilfu is the bestest.

[Hadeedak]

Sebastian is the best waifu.

 

​rabblerabble

[Xilizhra]

First, it doesn't have to tell the truth about Destroy. Destroy is what the Crucible does. It's the reason you gathered the fleers and went to Earth. You are not blindsided by Destroy. As far the Kid talking about it it actually does matter that it brings up Destroy, which is included in the Deception Theory.

Scroll down to "Option 1: Destroy the Reapers".
https://forum.biowar...e-catalyst-con/

The Catalyst directs Shepard to the "power conduit." Had it not done so, Shepard would have been unlikely to figure out how to arm the Crucible for Destroy in her weakened condition, before the Reapers destroyed the Crucible. Additionally, if the Catalyst simply wanted the Reapers to win, it could have just not woken Shepard up at all and, well, let the Reapers destroy the Crucible. Or not even activated that elevator. Shepard being in a position for Destroy at all was the Catalyst's doing.

[Laughing_Man]

The Catalyst directs Shepard to the "power conduit." Had it not done so, Shepard would have been unlikely to figure out how to arm the Crucible for Destroy in her weakened condition, before the Reapers destroyed the Crucible. Additionally, if the Catalyst simply wanted the Reapers to win, it could have just not woken Shepard up at all and, well, let the Reapers destroy the Crucible. Or not even activated that elevator. Shepard being in a position for Destroy at all was the Catalyst's doing.

 

Alternatively, this entire sequence could be either imagined, or simply a part of some mind-game by the brat, similar to how a child might use a branch to block a trail of ants.

[Xilizhra]

Alternatively, this entire sequence could be either imagined, or simply a part of some mind-game by the brat, similar to how a child might use a branch to block a trail of ants.

Right, but there's absolutely no hard evidence for either.

[Laughing_Man]

Right, but there's absolutely no hard evidence for either.

 

Personally, I don't "believe" in IT, but I found it hard to take quite a lot of what the brat said at face value.

 

Why would it let himself and the initiative it controls to be destroyed or controlled by an insect?

It's not like it has a problem waiting a dozen more cycles to find a better solution, even if the current one is not perfect.

 

This cycle is just one among who knows how many, it isn't special in any way, and Shepard himself is hardly impressive.

Statistically, others like him could have met the Catalyst in some form before.

 

The videos in my signature point out quite a few of the problems with this scene. (and the ending in general)

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I don't "believe" in IT, but I found it hard to take quite a lot of what the brat said at face value.

 

Why would it let himself and the initiative it controls to be destroyed or controlled by an insect?

It's not like it has a problem waiting a dozen more cycles to find a better solution, even if the current one is not perfect.

 

This cycle is just one among who knows how many, it isn't special in any way, and Shepard himself is hardly impressive.

Statistically, others like him could have met the Catalyst in some form before.

 

The videos in my signature point out quite a few of the problems with this scene. (and the ending in general)

It has no, or extremely muted, emotion and no ego. And the Crucible is the cumulative effort of multiple cycles; once it's been completed by this one, it'll be completed by the next one, and the next again, and so forth, and eventually someone will win. The Catalyst can see the end in sight, so it'll just end things now to preserve as much as it can.

[Il Divo]

The Catalyst directs Shepard to the "power conduit." Had it not done so, Shepard would have been unlikely to figure out how to arm the Crucible for Destroy in her weakened condition, before the Reapers destroyed the Crucible. Additionally, if the Catalyst simply wanted the Reapers to win, it could have just not woken Shepard up at all and, well, let the Reapers destroy the Crucible. Or not even activated that elevator. Shepard being in a position for Destroy at all was the Catalyst's doing.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but until we actually meet the Catalyst, it's never actually confirmed that the Crucible can even kill the Reapers? We assume that's the case, but we spent the vast majority of ME3 building an energy source which "we hope" can kill the Reapers, 

[TurianSpectre]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but until we actually meet the Catalyst, it's never actually confirmed that the Crucible can even kill the Reapers? We assume that's the case, but we spent the vast majority of ME3 building an energy source which "we hope" can kill the Reapers, 

Yeah your totally right... ive played through ME3 a number of times and just picked up on some of that stuff myself this last playthough and yeah your right, the admirals and shepard pretty much just act on a hunch that it will work

[Laughing_Man]

It has no, or extremely muted, emotion and no ego. And the Crucible is the cumulative effort of multiple cycles; once it's been completed by this one, it'll be completed by the next one, and the next again, and so forth, and eventually someone will win. The Catalyst can see the end in sight, so it'll just end things now to preserve as much as it can.

 

The "no emotion" part is debatable, I certainly don't see a clear indication for it.

 

The Crucible depended on the Catalyst to operate it (or tell Shepard what to do), and on the citadel to connect with it.

 

More so, it seems to me that the Catalyst actually allowed the the giant microphone to connect to the citadel, it would have been very easy to send a few

Reaper dreadnoughts to carve it to pieces-war assets or no, remember what it took to destroy Sovereign during ME1, and how easily it smashed apart

everything that stood in its way.

 

And if that's not enough, the Catalyst can just modify the Citadel to make it incompatible to the Crucible design.

It can actually  try to destroy all the data about it, and it can actively prevent anyone from trying to rediscover it even if it was a threat. (which it isn't)

 

(Side note: It is rather obvious to me, that the idea that untold number of races designed a Frankenstein-machine over millions of years that was actually capable of changing the fabric of reality without actually understanding the machine itself is absurd to say the least.)

 

Anyway, by destroying itself, or letting someone inferior control the system, it's going against its original mandate and preventing itself from ever finding a solution to the "problem".

 

Shepard (supposedly) presented an anomaly (rather debatable as well), you don't solve the anomaly by breaking all your gear and shooting yourself in the head, rather you try to find a better solution. You simply wipe the board and start again.

[In Exile]

Hey, DA2 had the Bethany incest crowd.

That was creepy, but it was never a particularly big continent of people. Even weird crap like Tali sweat dude and all the other shudder inducing romance stuff that was apparently discussed before Bioware mercifully euthanized the character forum wasn't all that common. IT is pretty ubiquitous. Or was anyway.

[TurianSpectre]

That was creepy, but it was never a particularly big continent of people. Even weird crap like Tali sweat dude and all the other shudder inducing romance stuff that was apparently discussed before Bioware mercifully euthanized the character forum wasn't all that common. IT is pretty ubiquitous. Or was anyway.

confused.com lol

[AlanC9]

Yeah your totally right... ive played through ME3 a number of times and just picked up on some of that stuff myself this last playthough and yeah your right, the admirals and shepard pretty much just act on a hunch that it will work

Well, the hunch, and a lack of any alternative. In that respect it's like LotR; trying to throw the Ring in the Cracks of Doom is crazy, but everything else is suicide.

[TurianSpectre]

Well, the hunch, and a lack of any alternative.

Yup true

[AlanC9]

More so, it seems to me that the Catalyst actually allowed the the giant microphone to connect to the citadel, it would have been very easy to send a few Reaper dreadnoughts to carve it to pieces-war assets or no, remember what it took to destroy Sovereign during ME1, and how easily it smashed apart everything that stood in its way.

Of course, the game doesn't actually support this interpretation.
 

(Side note: It is rather obvious to me, that the idea that untold number of races designed a Frankenstein-machine over millions of years that was actually capable of changing the fabric of reality without actually understanding the machine itself is absurd to say the least.)

 
We don't actually know what the previous cycles knew. Shepard doesn't actually recover a complete set of the plans, and it's not clear what TIM learned from the portion he recovered.

[AlanC9]

Why would it let himself and the initiative it controls to be destroyed or controlled by an insect?
It's not like it has a problem waiting a dozen more cycles to find a better solution, even if the current one is not perfect.

Yeah, I always though this was an unforced error on Bio's part. I think things would have worked better if the Catalyst itself had lost faith in its premises, but had lost control of the Reapers, who were happy to enforce the existing system forever.
 

This cycle is just one among who knows how many, it isn't special in any way, and Shepard himself is hardly impressive.
Statistically, others like him could have met the Catalyst in some form before.
 

Possible, but it didn't happen. Shepard is the first. I suppose we can put it down to two botched cycles in a row. The Reapers were late in the Prothean cycle too, since the Protheans almost understood relay construction. That's probably why Sovereign tried to start the next harvest earlier.

[Mcfly616]

Let it go, let it go....

[TurianSpectre]

Let it go, let it go....

SHUT UP ELSA !!! lol

[Iakus]

Let it go, let it go....

I'll let it go when ME3 is declared noncanon.

[Mcfly616]

I'll let it go when ME3 is declared noncanon.

 Never going to happen. The Catalyst was right! 

[dreamgazer]

I'll let it go when ME3 is declared noncanon.

Then you're going to be harboring a lot of unnecessary and overblown angst for many years to come, my friend.