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[Gothfather]

Basically, all you had to do to disprove the IT was ask yourself this, "Would the IT even exist in the first place if the so called "literal" endings were good?",and the answer was, of course not. The whole thing was sunk cost fallacy driven fanboy desperation for a "get out of bad ending free card" from the get-go.

 

I honestly thought this fanbase couldn't get more embarrassing after witnessing all the romance creepdom on here, but boy did the ITers prove me wrong.

 

Yep couldn't agree more.

 

I would also suggest it was ultimate fandom circle jerk with Bioware so they could create this convoluted theory how Bioware were secretly brilliant vs Bioware fraked up. To admit that their precious Bioware failed was too great a leap so IT was born. The only good that came out of it was that it was a contrary voice to the "I didn't like your ending, Bioware fix it crowd." Cuz only gamers think they are entitled to a redo of all entertainment media. No one was saying Hey they need to redo the finale of the Soprano's and it is an insult to their fans for not doing so but somehow gamers think they are entitled to it. Other fans of other media seem to accept that the show or movie franchise simply failed but gamers nope they all think they are super duper awesome special and it is their god given right to get the ending they want. lol.

 

Sorry children sometimes grown ups make mistakes

 

DEAL.

 

WITH.

 

IT.

[Medhia_Nox]

 

Sorry children sometimes grown ups make mistakes

 

DEAL.

 

WITH.

 

IT.

 

[dreamgazer]

Sorry children sometimes grown ups make mistakes
 
DEAL.
 
WITH.
 
IT.

They will. But it won't stop certain folks from hemming and hawing until the game's release.

[ArchangelN7]

I for one am happy its a fresh start and they didn't try to bring back shep in a forced story like halo did with the master chief, plus a new universe and new lead character means they can spread their creative wings a lot more, there is more positives than negatives really. 

[In Exile]

I'll let it go when ME3 is declared noncanon.

That's not healthy. Look, I get disliking the ending. ME3's ending wrecked the series for me too - I can't replay it now, and ME1 and ME2 were some of my favourite games. That sucked. But ultimately, who cares? These are just games. MEA has dropped the entire tragedy, and will be moving on with a clean slate. How is that not good enough?

Plus, I don't see how redoing ME3 makes it any better. ME3b doesn't make ME3a go away. That game is there. That experience of a shitty end to a trilogy won't go away. Bioware suddenly saying "fine, if you all hate it so much here's a new thing" does make this new fantasy ending more legitimate. It's like that happy ending mod.

[dreamgazer]

Plus, I don't see how redoing ME3 makes it any better. ME3b doesn't make ME3a go away.

ME3b also isn't guaranteed to be better than ME3a. In fact, it could very, very easily be worse.

... almost was.

[Gothfather]

That's not healthy. Look, I get disliking the ending. ME3's ending wrecked the series for me too - I can't replay it now, and ME1 and ME2 were some of my favourite games. That sucked. But ultimately, who cares? These are just games. MEA has dropped the entire tragedy, and will be moving on with a clean slate. How is that not good enough?

Plus, I don't see how redoing ME3 makes it any better. ME3b doesn't make ME3a go away. That game is there. That experience of a shitty end to a trilogy won't go away. Bioware suddenly saying "fine, if you all hate it so much here's a new thing" doesn't make this new fantasy ending more legitimate. It's like that happy ending mod.

 

Fixed it.

[In Exile]

Whoops. Yeah, that one.

[Kroitz]

 Never going to happen. The Catalyst was right! 

 

Triggered.

[Iakus]

That's not healthy. Look, I get disliking the ending. ME3's ending wrecked the series for me too - I can't replay it now, and ME1 and ME2 were some of my favourite games. That sucked. But ultimately, who cares? These are just games. MEA has dropped the entire tragedy, and will be moving on with a clean slate. How is that not good enough?

Plus, I don't see how redoing ME3 makes it any better. ME3b doesn't make ME3a go away. That game is there. That experience of a shitty end to a trilogy won't go away. Bioware suddenly saying "fine, if you all hate it so much here's a new thing" does make this new fantasy ending more legitimate. It's like that happy ending mod.

I didn't say I want an ME3b.  I just don't want ME3 to be canon.  I want it purged from the timeline.  I want it to go the way of Mass Effect: Deception and be the embarrassing mistake that doesn't get referred to except as the punchline of a joke.

[AlanC9]

So the Reapers are forever approaching but never arrive?

[Gothfather]

ME3b also isn't guaranteed to be better than ME3a. In fact, it could very, very easily be worse.

... almost was.

True.

 

I think also fans don't want to admit that the grand experiment that was the ME trilogy didn't work as hoped. The idea of taking two games with divergent outcomes and mashing all those divergent outcomes into a third game and be able to create a coherent ending that acknowledges all the choices a player made in the past simply got away from them, the number of possible variations with just three major differences with each game is 27, with 4 it is 64 possible divergent endings and frankly that is too great a number to expect any studio to create endings for. So everything had to be tied to one ending with 3 then 4 choices and all your actions don't matter. But really this grand idea was killed by maths, exponential equations balloon quickly and reality as is so often the case came crashing down and ruined the fantasy. We where never going to get a slide show with all our choices highlighted because of the huge amount of work it would require to include all the divergent possible outcomes.

[Xilizhra]

I didn't say I want an ME3b.  I just don't want ME3 to be canon.  I want it purged from the timeline.  I want it to go the way of Mass Effect: Deception and be the embarrassing mistake that doesn't get referred to except as the punchline of a joke.

While Deception was universally panned, ME3 is probably too popular for that. And while Bioware can say that Deitz takes all the blame for Deception (I'm skeptical of that), they'll never disavow their own major game.

[dreamgazer]

So the Reapers are forever approaching but never arrive?

In a sense, that's what Andromeda is giving him.

Hell, if they're able to leave shortly after Sovereign's attack, it can turn ME2 into Schrodinger's Canon, too.

The majority of Mass Effect fans can continue to play the trilogy and enjoy it, while folks like Iakus can hold onto their agendas.

[SKAR]

I'm gonna start a petition that in 2022 or whenever Bioware should come out with a remastered ME3 no changes except for the endings. Give em some time to think of better ones. Anyone with me? We should have the endings we deserve. I want to go back to MW at least in the far future and even if we can't Bioware owes it to us to finally set things right. They can take all the time they want but they need to make things right. Just the endings other than refusal. That's non Canon anyway. My shep should be allowed to live a happy ending. Edi and the geth don't deserve death and we should be allowed to send the reapers into the galactic core or darkspace and figure out our own future. **** The chaos. We have free will. We should advance on our own.

[AlanC9]

Nah; just canonize Destroy. The quarians destroyed the geth at Rannoch, and EDI is a regrettable casualty of war.

[Balsam Beige]

In a sense, that's what Andromeda is giving him.

Hell, if they're able to leave shortly after Sovereign's attack, it can turn ME2 into Schrodinger's Canon, too.

The minority of Mass Effect fans who have no issues with the me3 endings can continue to play the trilogy and enjoy it, while folks like Iakus can hold onto their agendas.

 

 

 

FIXED! 

[Spectr61]

They should make refuse canon.
 
Just so the MW is 100% done and gone.

This.

Then, the next cycle uses Liara's Beacons to finally defeat the Reapers in the next cycle.

The Andromeda factions eventually return to the Milky Way, closing the loop.

[Gothfather]

I'm gonna start a petition that in 2022 or whenever Bioware should come out with a remastered ME3 no changes except for the endings. Give em some time to think of better ones. Anyone with me? We should have the endings we deserve. I want to go back to MW at least in the far future and even if we can't Bioware owes it to us to finally set things right. They can take all the time they want but they need to make things right. Just the endings other than refusal. That's non Canon anyway. My shep should be allowed to live a happy ending. Edi and the geth don't deserve death and we should be allowed to send the reapers into the galactic core or darkspace and figure out our own future. **** The chaos. We have free will. We should advance on our own.

nope.

 

The endings are what they are. They are bad. So what sometimes in life a series ends on a wimper vs a bang. Lets all be adults about this and move on.

[dreamgazer]

FIXED! 

Negative, soldier. Most people still play the games, enjoy them, and tolerate the endings to varying degrees.

If I stopped playing all the games that I thought had flawed endings, I'd rarely replay anything.

Especially ME2.

[Gothfather]

In a sense, that's what Andromeda is giving him.

Hell, if they're able to leave shortly after Sovereign's attack, it can turn ME2 into Schrodinger's Canon, too.

The majority of Mass Effect fans can continue to play the trilogy and enjoy it, while folks like Iakus can hold onto their agendas.

 

Yet the irony is that he is against the change of setting because it doesn't force bioware to fix the endings. He basically gets what he wants in all practical terms ME3 is largely ignored but that isn't really his agenda he wants things done subject to his approval.

[In Exile]

I didn't say I want an ME3b. I just don't want ME3 to be canon. I want it purged from the timeline. I want it to go the way of Mass Effect: Deception and be the embarrassing mistake that doesn't get referred to except as the punchline of a joke.

Like Alan says, that's MEA. I don't follow the issue? Unless you want more MW stories - in which case you need ME3b because the reapers are like 6 months away at the end or ME2.

[Laughing_Man]

At this point I don't really "care" about the endings, I may point out their flaws in a discussion, and I may think that generally they were equal to

a pile of steaming excrement, but I have no longer any emotional investment or preference for any of them, ME3, or the "sanctity" of ME lore and timeline.

 

Andramada? Sure, if it looks good I'll play it. For exploration and aliens and cool blue space magic.

 

But the "magic" of ME is more or less gone at this point.

[Balsam Beige]

Negative, soldier. Most people still play the games, enjoy them, and tolerate the endings to varying degrees.

If I stopped playing all the games that I thought had flawed endings, I'd rarely replay anything.

Especially ME2.

 

 

Negative, soldier? Pertaining to the me3 endings, Yes indeed.

 

I agree with you that many people still play the games, enjoy them, and tolerate the endings to a varying degree. They are very vocal here on the forums.

 

If you enjoy playing games with flawed endings, good for you. I don't particularly.

[FrietzMG]

To be honest, I wish ME: Andromeda was in another fictional universe, with no Shepard existing, or Reapers.

 

The Milky Way races would've simply colonized everything there was to colonize and we would've to go to another galaxy to survive.

Further into the future, the better.

 

It would solve all problems.

 

I don't like having more than one protagonist in the same universe.

You'll always compare the next to the one before, and be frustrated, one way or another.