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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Your stubbornness is my anathema.

Yet another insult instead of actually responding. I would say I was disappointed but for that to be true I'd have to be surprised. 

[SKAR]

Yet another insult instead of actually responding. I would say I was disappointed but for that to be true I'd have to be surprised.

Why are you insulted?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why are you insulted?

You do know the meaning of anathema, yes?

 

 And Andromeda is the closest. Magellanic doesn't count.

No, Andromeda is not the closest and yes the LMC does count. The LMC is a barred spiral galaxy, just like the Milky Way. 

[SKAR]

You do know the meaning of anathema, yes?

No, Andromeda is not the closest and yes the LMC does count. The LMC is a barred spiral galaxy, just like the Milky Way.

I didn't mean it as an insult. LMC doesn't count. Andromeda is bigger. Anyways I'm just really angered and annoyed by your stubbornness. Don't be so sensitive. jeez. People want you to be honest and they hate you for it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I didn't mean it as an insult. LMC doesn't count. Andromeda is bigger. Anyways I'm just really angered and annoyed by your stubbornness. Don't be so sensitive. jeez. People want you to be honest and they hate you for it.

Again, LMC does count. It was upgraded from dwarf galaxy to a barred spiral galaxy. Andromeda being bigger doesn't make it the closest. 

Now in about 4 billion years Andromeda will be the closest. It will be really, really, really close.

 

The reason for my stubbornness is because as someone who loves astronomy this bugs me. I'm sure if Bioware did something that bugged you you would be stubborn about it. You already are with things like the whole Ryder family situation. 

[SKAR]

Again, LMC does count. It was upgraded from dwarf galaxy to a barred spiral galaxy. Andromeda being bigger doesn't make it the closest.
Now in about 4 billion years Andromeda will be the closest. It will be really, really, really close.

The reason for my stubbornness is because as someone who loves astronomy this bugs me. I'm sure if Bioware did something that bugged you you would be stubborn about it. You already are with things like the whole Ryder family situation.

I could give a **** about the Family situation. I'm over that. As long as I'm a bad@$$ mother****** I don't care. Why go to little mini LMC when you can go to Andromeda. I never said Andromeda being bigger makes it closer. anyway Its like saying let's go to that bootleg store Walmart when you can go to Costco. We trying to make the most of this expedition. Not half @$$ it with going to LMC. We're going for the big one.

[animedreamer]

I expect it to be explained in the books and us not all reading the books will come to the board the day after release and ask all the same questions all over again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I could give a **** about the Family situation. I'm over that. As long as I'm a bad@$$ mother****** I don't care. Why go to little mini LMC when you can go to Andromeda. I never said Andromeda being bigger makes it closer. anyway Its like saying let's go to that bootleg store Walmart when you can go to Costco. We trying to make the most of this expedition. Not half @$$ it with going to LMC. We're going for the big one.

You complained about it earlier today. 

 

As for going to LMC over Andromeda, because it is closer, cheaper, and safer. And the LMC is the fourth largest galaxy in our group. It's not some little dwarf galaxy with only a few hundred thousand stars. Going there instead of Andromeda isn't doing what you are saying it is. Plus if we are aiming for making the most why go to Andromeda then? There are galaxies much bigger and better than it. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Again, LMC does count. It was upgraded from dwarf galaxy to a barred spiral galaxy. Andromeda being bigger doesn't make it the closest. 

Now in about 4 billion years Andromeda will be the closest. It will be really, really, really close.

 

The reason for my stubbornness is because as someone who loves astronomy this bugs me. I'm sure if Bioware did something that bugged you you would be stubborn about it. You already are with things like the whole Ryder family situation. 

 

They are going to Andromeda because it's a marketable name that most people will recognize. There is no other reason. Distance is irrelevant.

 

Yeah, maybe I'm a  cynic.

[SKAR]

You complained about it earlier today.

As for going to LMC over Andromeda, because it is closer, cheaper, and safer. And the LMC is the fourth largest galaxy in our group. It's not some little dwarf galaxy with only a few hundred thousand stars. Going there instead of Andromeda isn't doing what you are saying it is. Plus if we are aiming for making the most why go to Andromeda then? There are galaxies much bigger and better than it.

I did? Hmmm. That big paragraph.......I must admit. I laughed my ******* @$$ off. LOL Ha Ha Ha It's the only significant one closer and twice the size. Why go to some farther galaxy when we can go to our significantly closer and larger neighbor. Closer, cheaper, and safer. That's bull****. Like I said. We put all these resources into this expedition only to half @$$ it and not go all the way. We plan an intergalactic expedition all to go to some little piece and not to our bigger cousin that is very close. LMC is a smaller companion galaxy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They are going to Andromeda because it's a marketable name that most people will recognize. There is no other reason. Distance is irrelevant.

 

Yeah, maybe I'm a  cynic.

I agree with you completely. Earlier this thread I said the only reason they chose Andromeda is because it is the most marketable. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I did? Hmmm. That big paragraph.......I must admit. I laughed my ******* @$$ off. LOL Ha Ha Ha It's closer and twice the size. Why go to some farther galaxy when we can go to our significantly closer and larger neighbor. Closer, cheaper, and safer. That's bull****. Like I said. We put all these resources into this expedition only to half @$$ it and not go all the way. We plan an intergalactic expedition all to go to some little piece and not to our bigger cousin that is very close. LMC is a smaller companion galaxy.

So instead of going all he way by travelling to a bigger and better galaxy, you think we should go to the smaller and closer Andromeda. Thank you for proving me right. Have a nice day. 

[SKAR]

So instead of going the whole nine yards by travelling to a bigger and better galaxy, you think we should go to the smaller and closer Andromeda. Thank you for proving me right. Have a nice day.

HA Ha Ha Ha. What the ****!!!!! It's ******* two times the size as us and it's pretty close. Don't give me that bull$#!t. So you're telling me it's logical to miss up our bigger closer cousin. I have the high ground here.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

If they do, they better have that information in the game as well. I don't want yet another game where things aren't explained and the response is "That is answered in the books.". I love reading, but relevant information should be available to everyone, not just those willing to spend more. 

 

I agree with this too. I don't buy the books on principal. The game should be complete as is.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Bioware has a bad habit of reworking their lore without really bothering to explain the change. The treatment of red lyrium in DA2 versus DAI is, imo, one of the worst examples. I hope they give us a little more here.

I don't like the just for exploration theory. That many people leaving their lives behind without a dire threat to motivate them seems unlikely.

 

I thought the marketing material out so far suggested we are finding a new home for humanity.. 'Humanity's last chance' sort of think, like if we fail no more humans.

[Sartoz]

Well, they had more than 8 months. The events of Mass Effect: Paragon Lost occur around the beginning of Mass Effect 2, since in the ending Anderson and Hackett mention that Shepard's death may have been premature. Regardless, the only thing they would need from the data is the drive core, since like Reapers the Collector ships don't need to discharge. The rest of the ark ships could be built from scratch.

 

I hope all the races in the Milky Way are involved. We know multiple are because of footage and Bioware using terms like coalition, but I'm afraid some races will be left behind which is infuriating if so. 

 

Also, I really hope it isn't just for exploration because that is a terrible idea. We have over 99% of the Milky Way to still explore in the MEU, and then there are many dwarf galaxies and a couple galaxies closer to us than Andromeda. Now if that was a cover story for an evacuation so as to not cause a panic, then okay. 

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Of course the studio had to come up with a catchy name, for marketability. Andromeda is short and better known (or at least the word is familiar). If you are going to pitch your game to newbies, a catchy name is a first step.

 

ME:Andromeda is a new game with new characters which basically starts off with humanity as refugees, in the Helius cluster.  Having more than a handful of MW species makes no sense to me.  Especially so, because only a few can assist in the project.... these are Salarians and Asari. Why bring the Krogans?... easy, front line troops and they owe you, In turn,  you can call on them if needed. And the Turians?... don't need them with the Krogans on board.

 

What do you think the Alliance is all about? ....the "saviours of the galaxy?". The answer is NOT.  It's a situation where those that can do will make it  and those that can't, get left behind.  

 

Technically, your 99% may be true but you cannot guarantee the Reapers won't find you. And, while there are many galaxies closer, what of it? If the ARKCON Project managers thought going to Andromeda has a higher probability of survival from the Reapers.... then go for it, I say.

[Sartoz]

I agree with this too. I don't buy the books on principal. The game should be complete as is.

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I agree. But, Bio is feeling the pressure to explain the Who, What, Where, When and Why. Ergo = prequel novel by a SJW writer. The Per Se selection of the author seems to hint at the romances and story dynamics in the game.... that's me reading tea leaves.

[SKAR]

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I agree. But, Bio is feeling the pressure to explain the Who, What, Where, When and Why. Ergo = prequel novel by a SJW writer. The Per Se selection of the author seems to hint at the romances and story dynamics in the game.... that's me reading tea leaves.

y'all just don't like reading.

[FKA_Servo]

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I agree. But, Bio is feeling the pressure to explain the Who, What, Where, When and Why. Ergo = prequel novel by a SJW writer. The Per Se selection of the author seems to hint at the romances and story dynamics in the game.... that's me reading tea leaves.

 

I hope the tea leaves are engaging, because you're clearly not reading any of Jemisin's books. She's a terrific, imaginative writer, and I think this might end up the best conceived and written ME tie-in of all of them (would actually be the only well-written one). The particular angle you're dismissing her from suggests that, as usual, your tinfoil hat could use an adjustment.

 

I'm astonished they got someone like her to write one of these things - it speaks well of it and them.

[FKA_Servo]

I could give a **** about the Family situation. I'm over that. As long as I'm a bad@$$ mother****** I don't care. Why go to little mini LMC when you can go to Andromeda. I never said Andromeda being bigger makes it closer. anyway Its like saying let's go to that bootleg store Walmart when you can go to Costco. We trying to make the most of this expedition. Not half @$$ it with going to LMC. We're going for the big one.

HA Ha Ha Ha. What the ****!!!!! It's ******* two times the size as us and it's pretty close. Don't give me that bull$#!t. So you're telling me it's logical to miss up our bigger closer cousin. I have the high ground here.

 

I'm thinking the inevitable next time you're sent packing on a vacation, you should look into cutting back on your sugar intake as well.

[Kabooooom]

Asari were just being your average stagnant ME aliens. Alliance had significantly less funds, but was constructing a dreadnought per year from 2183 to 2186.
That doesn't remove discharge issue, which is the main problem here.

Did you not read the very first part of my post that you quoted?

[Malanek]

I think for the discharge issue the writers should say that the major technological breakthrough was that they found a way to harness the immense static buildup and change into electrical current to power all the ships electronics and removing the need for discharge. It isn't actually that far fetched at all and solves two problems.

[pkypereira]

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I have a wild theory who build the arks. There is on faction in the ME-Universe which has no economical or financial system so they have basically communism and can throw all resources into one project. They don`t have to feed workers or they´r families. And they know for sure the reapers are coming. And they are, as we learned in ME3, not the organics-slaying monsters as the Quarians described them.

 

The Geth.

 

ps: look at the arks-ships colour-scheme.

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Their nor evil, their not good, just logic. We never had a hint at their real numbers. And they knew for sure the reapers would come, way before Shep. So they reached the consensus that this galaxy would go down the drain. No organic even grasped the enormous dimension of the coming tread.

So they build the ark-ships hidden in their space. No council, no Shep, and no reaper got a hint of the project. 

The Geth are the only faction that could hide such a gigantic project

The Geth are the only faction that had enough time to get this done

The Geth are the only faction that is free from economic boundary's

The Geth are the only faction that had an early contact with reaper tech.

The Geth are the only faction that looses nothing by loading the arcs with all species from the milky way

 

I think the picture of an AI inevitably going berserk against its creators is BS. It would rule an empty, boring world. Maybe the Geth see organics as some kind of substrate or catalyst to grow on and learn. New experiences and knowledge come from interaction and different viewing angles. So it would be pretty stupid for advanced AIs to dust off alone.

 

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They got the enhancements later in ME3, at the time of the split they were still equal. The non-heretics had just to send some mobile platforms with replicating tech and mining equipment to some uncharted systems. They don´t have to breed, they can just multiply their numbers as fast as the raw materials can get extracted.

 

And for accepting the arks: Take it or die. What would you do? 

And here is some interesting stuff to read about the "many races could have easily do all the things" :

 

http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=30943

 

This is very possible. According to the codex, after the geth exiled the quarians, they spent 300 years in the Persius Veil and no one knew what they were doing. Some geth may have thought to build arks in the case that the Reapers tried destroying the geth and the rest of the geth would have let them part ways and do their own thing like they did in ME2

[Kabooooom]

I think for the discharge issue the writers should say that the major technological breakthrough was that they found a way to harness the immense static buildup and change into electrical current to power all the ships electronics and removing the need for discharge. It isn't actually that far fetched at all and solves two problems.

Like I said, they don't even have to do that though - the lore already provides a way out. The Citadel and other large deep space stations provide drive discharge stations, implying that somehow they either utilize this energy as you suggest, or otherwise safely discard it.

Hardly, the game never makes references to the Rachni Wars being of apocalyptic proptions, especially in the face of the Reapers' onslaught. This would be the difference between WW2 and an Alien invasion of earth.

Then you weren't paying close enough attention, particularly to the in-game dialogue regarding the Rachni Wars more than the codex. They are discussed at length in the trilogy, such that it paints a pretty clear picture. Like I made sure to point out in my original post but you ignored, the scale and implications of the Rachni War were identical to the Reaper War. The only thing that was different was the timeline. The Reaper War was more devastating, yes, but that's irrelevant if the outcome is the same, and the outcome is extinction in both wars. The Rachni War was just as apocalyptic as the Reaper War, but in a different way. It's like saying nuclear war and devastating ecological collapse due to environmental damage are both apocalyptic scenarios, but you just die quicker in one vs. the other.

I'll summarize the following facts that we know, which aren't debatable as they are plainly stated in game. The only thing that is minimally debatable is the interpretation of what these facts would lead to:

1) The Rachni were beating the Salarians and Asari, the Krogan reportedly "turned the tide of the war".

2) The war lasted for three centuries. During that time, world after world fell to the Rachni and they were pressing down hard on Asari space. Avina describes the Rachni as "waging a war of conquest across the galaxy". A war of conquest.

3) The Council species were not waging a successful war because they couldn't get to where they needed to in order to eradicate the heavily protected Rachni queens.

4) The Rachni could not be communicated with or reasoned with. All attempts at communication and diplomacy failed.

Summarizing points 1 through 4, you can make the logical extrapolation. Any reasonable person with an ounce of deductive skill would conclude that the eventual outcome of a war like that would be that the Rachni would win. Absolutely, there's no doubt about it. The lore describes the Rachni as already winning in the first place, so that doesn't take much of a leap, but it also is a pretty straightforward conclusion - they were fighting this war for centuries and losing. With time, the Rachni would take every world. And they take no prisoners. The Council species were NOT facing a future laden with sunshine and puppies, they were facing a future of certain death unless something was done that changed the tide of war.

Certain extinction would eventually result, there's no way around it. THAT'S why they were so desperate and uplifted the Krogan. They didn't make that decision lightly.

So, in summary, I agree with Han - who, like I credited, was the originator of this idea. The Rachni Wars were absolutely apocalyptic enough to make the Asari and Salarians think pretty hard about building some Arks to flee the Galaxy. And the Krogan Rebellions were pretty friggin bad too - they were actively making asteroid drops on Council worlds and effectively rendering them uninhabitable. In either situation, galactic civilization was massively threatened, but if I had to pick one, the Rachni were a far more terrifying force to face than the Krogan. At least you can talk to a Krogan. We are talking about wars that waged across an entire galaxy, comparing them to WW2 is pretty silly.

[SKAR]

I'm thinking the inevitable next time you're sent packing on a vacation, you should look into cutting back on your sugar intake as well.

Kiss my @$$. This is Bioware forums. Keep your thoughts about my actions to yourself. I have a right to argue on my views.