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[dreamgazer]

Great. Glad you have your (strongly stated) opinions.

I won't say anything self-obvious about allowing people to have their opinions like you did.

The fact remains LEtoile was around for 1 & 2, not 3.

I happen to like 1 & 2, his work in them; and dislike 3, especially the endings.

It could be coincidental, but in my opinion, is not.

You're free to like whatever you desire, blatantly flawed as it may be, so long as you realize that a writer is responsible for his or her writing, not another's. L'Etoile isn't responsible for the Thorian digesting bodies into magic brain filters, or for Cerberus curing (brain) death with Project Lazarus via unexplained science and "resources", or for the Catalyst and the endings. His absence has nothing to do with the vast majority of ME3, especially the endings, not being to your liking. His presence also has nothing to do with the obvious space magic present in ME1 and ME2, either.

[Akka le Vil]

Uh, yeah, that doesn't really work.  We also got Project Lazarus and Space Terminator "with" him, as well as Hopper Saren and the nonsense with the magic brain filters regarding the Thorian. None of which had anything to do with L'Etoile. 

 

Also, his grasp on the geth and their networked non-individuality is wildly flawed, not to mention liberally retconning ME1. 

 

I liked what Chris bring to ME franchise in general (which is, basically, "hard" SF aspect, attention to details and organic explanations instead of magic BS). What made ME special for me was not the plot itself (full of holes and basically Jesus Saves the World) and not only the characters (ME1 was actually rather light on interactions compared to most Bioware games) but the verisimilitude of the world and the believability of the science stuff. He's the one who wrote the codex and the planet descriptions, and THAT is what really made ME shines.

I'm pretty sure most of the idiotic stuff in ME, he was no part of it.

 

I didn't like the retconning of Geth from "showing the danger of rogue AI" to "usual misunderstood monster" cliché. That being said, Geth and EDI depicted by Chris were leagues above those depicted without him. Chris depicted AI as AI, and not just as metallic humans, and THAT was something truly unique, which was entirely lost after he left.

[The Arbiter]

I know I speak for more than myself when I say that to even set the story in Andromeda requires a running turd on everything that came before it. The story, the setting, the characters and the lore all look to be making major sacrifices simply to avoid the mess of ME3's ending. 

 

Even if you only paid half attention to the lore, it's obvious there's no way of an Andromeda setting without some major retcons and handwaves. (And that's before even getting into things like wanting an actual resolution to the previous protagonist before starting again with a new one)

 

Now of course, Bioware could have something up their sleeves to make naysayers like me look like petulant, tantrum throwing morons, but considering everything we've seen and know so far looks like fan-fiction tier dumbassery, it's looking highly unlikely.

 

I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

 

took it right out of my mouth. Months back I also pointed out these issues and got bashed lol

[Spectr61]

You're free to like whatever you desire, blatantly flawed as it may be, so long as you realize that a writer is responsible for his or her writing, not another's. L'Etoile isn't responsible for the Thorian digesting bodies into magic brain filters, or for Cerberus curing (brain) death with Project Lazarus via unexplained science and "resources", or for the Catalyst and the endings. His absence has nothing to do with the vast majority of ME3, especially the endings, not being to your liking. His presence also has nothing to do with the obvious space magic present in ME1 and ME2, either.

Please, stop telling me what I am free to like, how flawed what I like is, and then putting stipulations on that such as "as long as you..."

I find it a crude attempt at controlling behavior, with a side of belittling other's opinions thrown in.

[MrFob]

I am certainly not negative about Andromeda. In fact, I am quite positive about it. Everything they have announced so far makes a lot of sense to me and seem to be decisions (in terms of design) that I can absolutely support. Of course, we don't know very much yet but what we do know is all great IMO.

 

Does that mean it will be a good game in the end? I honestly don't know as there are too many unknowns.

 

Certain design failures in DA:I have me a bit concerned but actually, I am optimistic that BW will learn from those, rather than repeat them, they have a history of being very perceptive of gameplay weaknesses and dealing with them (pretty rigorously if the past is any indication).

 

In terms of negativity, I have said before that I will not pre-order this game (even if there will be further info to indicate that it will be a great game). Why? Because of the past of this franchise and the company. Mass Effect started out as the most ambitious and promising video game project of all time and that potential got squandered badly IMO, culminating (but not at all beginning) with ME3's ending. The OP says it's been the most consistent series ever, that is simply not true, in fact, it is one of the most infuriatingly inconsistent settings I know. To me that means that BW set themselves up with promises they couldn't keep and the handling of us fans when we did complain became a big part of the problem as well. The only way to punish a company for these mistakes, the only way to enforce reflection and hopefully change on their part, is to withdraw financial support from their product and that's what I am going to do, at least for a time (note: I didn't buy DA:I either, it was an unexpected gift from someone and frankly when I unwrapped it, it bothered me a little that someone did actually spend money on it on my behalf).

 

If BW pulls it back together and delivers a great game, I'll consider a full price buy after release, but honestly, it would have to be spectacular and I would have to see an honest attempt to change back towards the kind of franchise I fell in love with for them to regain me as a fully committed customer.

 

So my negativity is less about this game than it is about BW as a company itself. I think with Andromeda, BW does have a chance to repair that loss of trust but as long as that hasn't happened, I will have to remain skeptical.

[The Arbiter]

To op. Since the devs BioWare wants this game to distance itself to the past trilogy which is imho impossible no matter what especially when it has the MassEffect logo slapped right on its face, I know there will be some kind of fuq up explaining the beginning of the lore on how they got there and why the milkyway has been placed inside the  ​recycle bin  but I'll try my best to be fair to Andromeda.

 

When the game comes out after all its DLC etc, I'll try to rate it based alone on it as an independent title not reliant on the past games. However, maybe just maybe the lore again will take a hit on this.

[straykat]

I don't know what L'Etoile would have done (if anything) about the endings, but I'm pretty sure all of his characters would've been much better. They pretty much did the opposite that he did with Legion. He struggled with someone (probably Mac, but I dunno) on the writing team about Legion's "pinnochio" tendencies. He didn't even want the N7 suit. He was forced to do it. Then he insisted that Geth "build their own future" and they did the opposite in 3. Ash is barely existent (and not really her sassy female grunt self) and Thane went out like a punk.

[dreamgazer]

Please, stop telling me what I am free to like, how flawed what I like is, and then putting stipulations on that such as "as long as you..."

I'm pointing out simple facts, sir, involving L'Etoile's involvement and your assertion about ME3 and the endings. If you'd like to amend the position you presented, please do.

I find it a crude attempt at controlling behavior, with a side of belittling other's opinions thrown in.

Eh, it's hard not to point out very obvious bias.

Think critically, Spectre. That's all.

[straykat]

I would add the same happened with Brian Kindregan (Jack, Grunt, male Shaman/Okeer). They were equally neglected. It kind of tells me the writers lived in their own worlds and played favorites. It's kind of petty. 

 

But I have my doubts the endings would ever change. That's all Casey Hudson and would remain so no matter who was on the team.

[Spectr61]

I'm pointing out simple facts, sir, involving L'Etoile's involvement and your assertion about ME3 and the endings. If you'd like to amend the position you presented, please do.

Eh, it's hard not to point out very obvious bias.
Think critically, Spectre. That's all.

In one of the quotes from the games I like, " I've had it with you."

Reported.

[dreamgazer]

They pretty much did the opposite that he did with Legion. He struggled with someone (probably Mac, but I dunno) on the writing team about Legion's "pinnochio" tendencies. He didn't even want the N7 suit. He was forced to do it.

I like how he tries to disavow himself from things that can be seen as flawed writing and creative decisions. There's evidence of geth individuality all over ME2, and a whole lot of contradiction.

[straykat]

I like how he tries to disavow himself from things that can be seen as flawed writing and creative decisions. There's evidence of geth individuality all over ME2, and a whole lot of contradiction.

 

He said this well before ME3 though.. 

 

I don't know where he said it though. I used to be on a board where he posted casually.. could've been there.

[dreamgazer]

In one of the quotes from the games I like, " I've had it with you."

Reported.

For what? Discussing the details of your assertion?

[Doominike]

I'm cautiously optimistic. On the one hand, they said there would more focus on being able to pic the PC's opinions and views of things, which seems like more fleshing out and personalizing for our characters. Which there was some of in DAI and it was cool there. And ME as a whole was pretty free of any big flaws imo, aside from a few in ME3 (the kid&nightmares about him, kai leng, the catalyst&vanilla endings) which hopefully they'll have learned from.

 

On the other hand, they might not have learned from those (or not enough) and while I was cool with all of base DAI, some of the premises of it's DLCs seem pretty sucky to me. 

 

P.S. I realise this is personal preference but please don't have segments where fem!Ryder is locked into a dress. 

[Armass81]

Thank you. But that doesn't change the content of the video.

 

In the beginning of ME2 the whole incident were swept under the rug, before Shep died, because it was easier for BW to do a side story, rather than a sequel as it was led up at the end of ME1.

I agree, ME2 didnt feel like ME2 should have been, it should have been a sidegame with a collector plot(tough even the collector plot is kind of a meh. It just felt like someone on Bioware had this "wouldnt it be cool if we did a dirty dozen thing and huge suicide mission" idea, while not really advancing the plot in any way.). Then they could have doen the real sequel, which could have ended with the reapers invading or something and us actually finding something to fight back. Instead of Liara just coming "hey I found this completely new thing for you on my own, in the beginning on ME3, we can use it against the reapers".

 

I think each game on its own works great, but when you put them as a continuation, thats where the problems begin. Its almost comical how badly their structured, but thats what you get when youre just wringing it and changing writers left and right. Only way you can get past it is if you dont think about it too hard.

[straykat]

ME2 is ridiculous for many things.... and yet it's still my favorite of the bunch. Go figure. 

 

Not only was it the most epic, even though it was loosely tied to the Reapers.... but I oddly felt the most Spectre-like in that game... and I wasn't even a Spectre.

 

As for the Collectors, they were actually meant to be an ME1 DLC.. but I guess they got carried away with fleshing out that story.

[The Dank Warden]

ME2 is ridiculous for many things.... and yet it's still my favorite of the bunch. Go figure. 

 

Not only was it the most epic, even though it was loosely tied to the Reapers.... but I oddly felt the most Spectre-like in that game... and I wasn't even a Spectre.

I take you didn't save the council and you were an arse with everyone?

[straykat]

I take you didn't save the council and you were an arse with everyone?

 

Not with everyone.

 

I kind of like playing the arsehole who pulls through in the big moments.

[SKAR]

ME2 is ridiculous for many things.... and yet it's still my favorite of the bunch. Go figure.

Not only was it the most epic, even though it was loosely tied to the Reapers.... but I oddly felt the most Spectre-like in that game... and I wasn't even a Spectre.

As for the Collectors, they were actually meant to be an ME1 DLC.. but I guess they got carried away with fleshing out that story.

Well the collectors worked for the reapers and were controlled by Harbinger. We fought and killed a human reaper. We were in a reaper. That doesn't seem loosely tied. It's my favorite as well. It's the reason I got into mass effect.

[SKAR]

Not with everyone.

I kind of like playing the arsehole who pulls through in the big moments.

Seems like you. No offense. I'm mostly paragon cause I like to be kind but that doesn't stop me from throwing problem out windows.. Would you rather renegade be more evil or antihero like the punisher or Han Solo?

[straykat]

Seems like you. No offense.

 

Do you like other action movies besides Bruce? Because I kind of see a lot of Shep (Renegade) as no different than most 70s/80s movies. Most of them are abrasive types who tend to pull through on the big stuff. Take your pick. Die Hard, Indiana Jones, any given Ahnold film, even Ripley "Nuke em. It's the only way to be sure."

[SKAR]

Do you like other action movies besides Bruce? Because I kind of see a lot of Shep (Renegade) as no different than most 70s/80s movies. Most of them are abrasive types who tend to pull through on the big stuff. Take your pick. Die Hard, Indiana Jones, any given Ahnold film, even Ripley "Nuke em. It's the only way to be sure."

All those. Indiana Jones? Arnie? Those guys seem more cocky amd gung ho than abrasive and mean. I like to be more like Captain America or Bruce.

[straykat]

All those. Indiana Jones? Arnie? Those guys seem more cocky amd gung ho than abrasive and mean. I like to be more like Captain America.

 

I didn't say anything about mean. What exactly do you think I'm doing? lol. I don't think you know me as well as you guessed.

 

I can't bring myself to fail the crew when they're kidnapped on the Collector base, if that's what you think. To me, that's truly Renegade. Nor do I encourage Jack to kill that other prisoner. Stuff like that. I don't care to do things out of malice. And I don't care for the bulk of ME3 renegade. There's no fun to it... it's almost all done in that cold manner. I would say my Shep is more Jack than Miranda.

 

Not a big fan of the Cap personally. Always was a Punisher fan. I thought it was funny that Cap beat his ass in the Civil War comics though.

[In Exile]

I liked what Chris bring to ME franchise in general (which is, basically, "hard" SF aspect, attention to details and organic explanations instead of magic BS). What made ME special for me was not the plot itself (full of holes and basically Jesus Saves the World) and not only the characters (ME1 was actually rather light on interactions compared to most Bioware games) but the verisimilitude of the world and the believability of the science stuff. He's the one who wrote the codex and the planet descriptions, and THAT is what really made ME shines.

I'm pretty sure most of the idiotic stuff in ME, he was no part of it.

 

I didn't like the retconning of Geth from "showing the danger of rogue AI" to "usual misunderstood monster" cliché. That being said, Geth and EDI depicted by Chris were leagues above those depicted without him. Chris depicted AI as AI, and not just as metallic humans, and THAT was something truly unique, which was entirely lost after he left.

 

 

This is silly. Mass Effect 1 is based on magic BS. The most central features of the setting in ME1 - like force-like gravity superpowers, telepathic alien space babes, cross-species telepathic communicators, and so on - are just purely space magic. He was absolutely part of some of the most idiotic stuff in ME - like "mass effect" the phenomenon.

 

The world is a middle finger to verisimilitude and believability of science and politics. The Alliance doesn't make any sense based on the political situation on Earth. Quarin immunology is just gibberish. Bioware has absolutely no idea how AI even works. The politics of the Council and Council races don't make sense. And that's avoiding stuff that's actually magic, like biotics, "mass effect", the fact that, again, the Asari have telephaphy, and so on. 

 

And the point about geth is just wrong - they were apparently victims since ME1. Shepard is basically locked-in to telling Tali the Quarians brought their genocide on themselves. The geth in ME2 were just nonsensical as ME3 - Chris couldn't even decide how they worked, throwing around terms from AI and philosophy while making it seem like individual programs were sapient (lolwut?). 

 

It's all space magic and gibberish. Liking ME1 for the science is the same as liking ME3 for the gripping ending.

[SKAR]

I didn't say anything about mean. What exactly do you think I'm doing? lol. I don't think you know me as well as you guessed.

I can't bring myself to fail the crew when they're kidnapped on the Collector base, if that's what you think. To me, that's truly Renegade. Nor do I encourage Jack to kill that other prisoner. Stuff like that. I don't care to do things out of malice. And I don't care for the bulk of ME3 renegade. There's no fun to it... it's almost all done in that cold manner. I would say my Shep is more Jack than Miranda.

Not a big fan of the Cap personally. Always was a Punisher fan. I thought it was funny that Cap beat his ass in the Civil War comics though.

That's the comics though. If it were TV cap would've wiped the floor with him. I do like caps moral code and sense of justice. When you said abrasive I think to myself cold hearted or harsh.