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[gabdalla92]

I didnt read those 19 pages but ill answer the thread title: i have tons o faith on ME:A. I truly liked mass effect 3 ending and ofc the entire trilogy. Also, ive never played the Dragon Age games so i couldnt care less if the 3rd one (inquisition) and latest game from bioware wasn't that great. I'm as hyped as one can be for Andromeda. Its going to be a great game

[Degs29]

I didnt read those 19 pages but ill answer the thread title: i have tons o faith on ME:A. I truly liked mass effect 3 ending and ofc the entire trilogy. Also, ive never played the Dragon Age games so i couldnt care less if the 3rd one (inquisition) and latest game from bioware wasn't that great. I'm as hyped as one can be for Andromeda. Its going to be a great game

 

You know, I never really investigated what others thought of DA:I.  Having loved the game as much as I did, I just assumed the majority of players loved it as well.  Is that not the case?  I'm getting the impression many didn't like it.

[Dalinne]

You know, I never really investigated what others thought of DA:I.  Having loved the game as much as I did, I just assumed the majority of players loved it as well.  Is that not the case?  I'm getting the impression many didn't like it.

Don't worry, it's normal. It happenned to me with ME3 before this forum: I assumed everybody loved it (except the ending). Then... well, I guess I was wrong?

[gabdalla92]

You know, I never really investigated what others thought of DA:I.  Having loved the game as much as I did, I just assumed the majority of players loved it as well.  Is that not the case?  I'm getting the impression many didn't like it.

As far as i know, people complained A LOT about DA:I... but idk if people thought it was a good game but they expected more or if they really didnt like it. Havent played that, i cant tell you better

[gabdalla92]

Don't worry, it's normal. It happenned to me with ME3 before this forum: I assumed everybody loved it (except the ending). Then... well, I guess I was wrong?

In my case, i loved the ending of ME3 and then i found out the giant disappointment that it was to many people. But i dont know, the internet has this power of influence people. A couple of people complain about something and when you realize tons of other people are doin' the same without judging that thing with an open mind

[echoness]

As far as i know, people complained A LOT about DA:I... but idk if people thought it was a good game but they expected more or if they really didnt like it. Havent played that, i cant tell you better

 

Well, I don't have much problem with DA:I. I love the game. Fetching quests don't quite bother me. The game brings lore aspect back and concluded some old choices in previous DA games. Romances are handled pretty well.

Back to the topic I have tons of faith in ME:A. I really like ME's planets. Those beautiful scenery and a sense of isolation and danger gave me chills. Especially when watching Earth on Luna. Also Mako is back, and it's way more awesome than the original Mako. So yeah, I'm super hyped. Otherwise I wouldn't lurking around this forum as my daily basis.

[straykat]

Well, I don't have much problem with DA:I. I love the game. Fetching quests don't quite bother me. The game brings lore aspect back and concluded some old choices in previous DA games. Romances are handled pretty well.

Back to the topic I have tons of faith in ME:A. I really like ME's planets. Those beautiful scenery and a sense of isolation and danger gave me chills. Especially when watching Earth on Luna. Also Mako is back, and it's way more awesome than the original Mako. So yeah, I'm super hyped. Otherwise I wouldn't lurking around this forum as my daily basis.

 

I think if I grew up in Pakistan, and didn't play many other games, and got Mass Effect on the black market... then yes...Luna would be pretty awe-inspiring.

 

I have many good things to say about ME, but the planets aren't one of them.

[AlanC9]

I never got a sense of isolation on those worlds. Too much RP, maybe; I knew that the ship was right there if I wanted to go someplace else. I got a sense of emptiness, sure, but that just reinforced the idea that Shepard had no business going there.

[echoness]

I think if I grew up in Pakistan, and didn't play many other games, and got Mass Effect on the black market... then yes...Luna would be pretty awe-inspiring.

 

I have many good things to say about ME, but the planets aren't one of them.

 

I've played more than a hundred games by now. Got like 80 games full achievements on steam and Xbox live. But ME still holds a special place in my heart. Planet exploration is a raw gem in ME. Suns and other stars we see on the planet are exactly the things on the galaxy map. The first time I encountered a Thresher Maw, it really scared the sh*t out of me. Imagine if BioWare polished it but not abandoned it and brought it to ME2 instead of scanning system. ME2 could be way better than we got.

[AlanC9]

Polished but not abandoned is not very realistic. Doing that stuff better than ME1 did it requires a major commitment of resources; ME1's exploration was workable precisely because it was cheap; procedurally-generated planets and a few prefabs. The problem with cheap, of course, is that it's not very good.

Want better exploration? It's OK to throw lots of resources into stuff if that stuff is what the game is about. The problem is that none of the trilogy games were about exploration.

What ME4 will actually be about.....I have no real idea. But it looks like you're getting your way.

[Fandango]

Alan makes a fair point. Even putting aside the failures of ME3, and the trilogy more generally, I'm concerned that the footprint of ME:A may be a little too big for its own good. Here's hoping that ME:A manages to fill its game-world(s) with content that is a little more compelling and narratively focused than was managed by the otherwise excellent Inquisition. 

[Akka le Vil]

In my case, i loved the ending of ME3 and then i found out the giant disappointment that it was to many people. But i dont know, the internet has this power of influence people. A couple of people complain about something and when you realize tons of other people are doin' the same without judging that thing with an open mind

 

I like the usual "if it's going against my own preference then it's lacking open mind" ^^

Maybe you just have terrible taste ?

[DanielCofour]

In my case, i loved the ending of ME3 and then i found out the giant disappointment that it was to many people. But i dont know, the internet has this power of influence people. A couple of people complain about something and when you realize tons of other people are doin' the same without judging that thing with an open mind

 

Open mind? Are you freking serious? Here's an open mind for you: examine the ethical ramifications of the endings: 1. you commit genocide(exterminate all sentient synthetics). 2. you mind control an entire race of sentient, self-aware synthetics and institute yourself as supreme AI dictator of an entire galaxy. 3. you change every living creature on a molecular level, redesign their very self without their knowledge or consent(and this was considered by the creators as the good ending). That's not even mentioning the ridiculous science mumbo-jumbo that is required to explain how such a thing would even work or be possible(which the game doesn't provide... for good reason, since no explanation would be good enough to explain why the Crucible is able to rearrange every being on a molecular level, but not be able to discriminate between Reapers, Geth and EDI, 3 fundamentally different forms of AI).

 

You couldn't even think a little further into the ending than what was presented on screen, yet have the audacity to complain about the lack of "open-mindedness" of others? Git outta here... 

 

Also, you want a reason why I'm skeptical about Andromeda, well, there it is. How the hell do you avoid an ending of these proportions is beyond me. I genuinely tried to come up with one satisfying scenario that doesn't involve immense retconning of the original story and lore, but couldn't... 

[straykat]

Open mind? Are you freking serious? Here's an open mind for you: examine the ethical ramifications of the endings: 1. you commit genocide(exterminate all sentient synthetics)

 

You can commit genocide well before that. If you want to call it genocide. I don't, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

Personally, I don't know why someone would save the Geth on Rannoch, yet think they need to destroy them later. You already approved of Reaper code use as it is. It's a choice that coincides with Control or Synthesis more.

[Gileadan]

Killing the reapers isn't genocide. You're just stopping them from attacking organics so they won't get killed by organics.

[In Exile]

Killing the reapers isn't genocide. You're just stopping them from attacking organics so they won't get killed by organics.

[straykat]

^ Still a classic

[DanielCofour]

You can commit genocide well before that. If you want to call it genocide. I don't, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

Personally, I don't know why someone would save the Geth on Rannoch, yet think they need to destroy them later. You already approved of Reaper code use as it is. It's a choice that coincides with Control or Synthesis more.

 

What would you call then the eradication of an entire species? Or multiple species at the same time? Just because the Get are not an organic construct, doesn't devalue them. 

 

Also,  that was precisely my point. Someone who doesn't approve of the control ending or the synthesis one for being murky on ethical grounds(which they are, I really don't see someone justifying totalitarianism and genetic modification without consent as ethical) has no choice but to commit genocide of the geth(and kill EDI), which yet again is ethically unjustifiable. 

[DanielCofour]

EDIT: nevermind. 

[straykat]

What would you call then the eradication of an entire species? Or multiple species at the same time? Just because the Get are not an organic construct, doesn't devalue them. 

 

Also,  that was precisely my point. Someone who doesn't approve of the control ending or the synthesis one for being murky on ethical grounds(which they are, I really don't see someone justifying totalitarianism and genetic modification without consent as ethical) has no choice but to commit genocide of the geth(and kill EDI), which yet again is ethically unjustifiable. 

 

You're assuming it's an entire species. It's not a fact. No more than Mickey Mouse being real.

 

I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it could be true, but it's difficult to move the conservation to other areas if you're so dead set on it. I only wanted to say that uploading Reaper code at Rannoch, and then destroying them later is just weird.

[pdusen]

You know, I never really investigated what others thought of DA:I.  Having loved the game as much as I did, I just assumed the majority of players loved it as well.  Is that not the case?  I'm getting the impression many didn't like it.

 

In general it was very well-received. Admittedly, it had some problems, but the most vocal people on this forum tend to be the haters.

[DanielCofour]

You're assuming it's an entire species. It's not a fact. No more than Mickey Mouse being real.

 

I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it could be true, but it's difficult to move the conservation to other areas if you're so dead set on it. I only wanted to say that uploading Reaper code at Rannoch, and then destroying them later is just weird.

 

I agree, it is weird, but I don't see where that came from, or what you're trying to say here? I merely pointed out that the ending shoehorns you into three ethically questionable choices. I said nothing about which is to be chosen. 

 

Also, whether it's a species or not is, frankly, irrelevant. You would be murdering sentient beings by the millions. Calling it genocide or not is at best a grammar issue, it doesn't impact the weight of it all. 

[straykat]

I agree, it is weird, but I don't see where that came from, or what you're trying to say here? I merely pointed out that the ending shoehorns you into three ethically questionable choices. I said nothing about which is to be chosen. 

 

Also, whether it's a species or not is, frankly, irrelevant. You would be murdering sentient beings by the millions. Calling it genocide or not is at best a grammar issue, it doesn't impact the weight of it all. 

 

I just mean that most Destroy people would have made that choice on Rannoch already.

 

Except for the few oddballs like Iakus who want their cake and to eat it too. This is the player who wants to save everything under the sun (even Reaper-ized AI), yet runs into a wall at all the endings.

[DanielCofour]

I just mean that most Destroy people would have made that choice on Rannoch already.

 

Except for the few oddballs like Iakus who want their cake and to eat it too. This is the player who wants to save everything under the sun (even Reaper-ized AI), yet runs into a wall at all the endings.

 

Well, you can actually save everyone(aside from Anderson and co), with the Control ending. Even Shepard "lives" on as the Reaper overlord... 

[In Exile]

You're assuming it's an entire species. It's not a fact. No more than Mickey Mouse being real.

 

I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it could be true, but it's difficult to move the conservation to other areas if you're so dead set on it. I only wanted to say that uploading Reaper code at Rannoch, and then destroying them later is just weird.

 

How are the geth different from Turians? Or, frankly, from other humans given problems of e.g. other minds? Or to put it another way: by what standard can you disqualify geth as "people" apart from "not being made out of meat"?