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[Spectr61]

I place the blame "entirely" on him for 3 reasons.
 
1) He's the head writer, in terms of writing the buck kinda stops with him. It's his *job* to solve the narrative problems in an elegant way that's consistent with the universe, something he clearly failed to do in every way shape and form. And its not like Drew left *massive* hurdles to overcome either. I didn't see ME2 rushing off to another galaxy to escape the issues left by the first game. 
 
2) All the parts that we know he was in charge of, were absolute ****.
 
-- He wrote the beginning sequence of the game
 
-- He wrote the pieces with Kai Leng
 
-- He wrote the majority of Cerberus
 
-- The crucible
 
and of course the ending itself.
 
Tuchanka and Rannoch were headed up by different writers and are basically labeled the 'best' parts of the entire game by the majority of people.
 
So in short, everything he had his hands directly on is, *at best* sub par.
 
3) He has zero credentials to be heading up a game of this scale. His only previous writing experience before ME was Black Whirlwind in Jade Empire and...I think that was pretty much it. Maybe a comic book or 2. Which lends credence to the rumors that the only reason he got the job was due to his friendship with Hudson.
 
The fact that he's *in charge* of MEA is downright mind boggling to me.
 
And while what you say is true about the Sovereign cinematic I agree, but I was primarilly pointing out that the handwaving of ME1 and the handwaving of ME3 isn't even in the same league in terms of its egregiously sloppy nature. One was clearly done on purpose, the other was done due to incompetence/lack of creativity.

Most excellent.

While I agree, especially on the incredulous "Mac still around and in charge" part, what about Casey Hudson's role as the grand poobah of ME3?

[Fandango]

Except they didn't, it was just a poorly executed ending nothing more. 

 

Look, the Catalyst is clearly unreliable and the game rewards those players who are willing to trust in its strange claims and embrace its monstrous solutions. Which isn't to say that Mac and Casey intended to pervert the trilogy so. They just did!

[Fandango]

I keep waiting for you to explain how the meat produces some sort of moral difference here. Do you actually have anything, or is this just an axiom?

 

It's an outright refusal to acknowledge the inalienable rights of divergent forms of life. 

[AlanC9]

2. The fact that they released critical information regarding the origins and, more importantly, the reasonings behind the Reapers as a DLC (Leviathan) which many people (including myself) weren't even aware of because by that point they had dropped the ME series altogether out of disappointment. Perhaps if they had kept that as part of the game, there wouldn't have been so much of a backlash because then at least we would have had some understanding of the troll reasoning of the Reapers. 

"Kept that as part of the game" is not really true, according to the evidence we have. None of the Leviathan material is in the leaks. The early leak doesn't have any motivation for the Reapers yet, and the second leak has pretty much what was in the released game. It's not inconceivable that this material was written early enough to be in the game, but there's no real reason to think that it was.
 

I for one will consider purchasing Andromeda ONLY if original players and fans like myself try it and give it good reviews. And even then it'll be with a lot of trepidation.

Does "like yourself" mean that you'll only listen to original players who hated ME3 as much as you did?

[AlanC9]

Look, the Catalyst is clearly unreliable and the game rewards those players who are willing to trust in its strange claims and embrace its monstrous solutions. Which isn't to say that Mac and Casey intended to pervert the trilogy so. They just did!

Well, you don't have to trust its claims beyond trusting that, for instance, shooting the tube triggers Destroy.

[Fandango]

Well, you don't have to trust its claims beyond trusting that, for instance, shooting the tube triggers Destroy.

 

Make the case for me Alan. Why should Shep trust in anything the Catalyst has to say to her?

[Spectr61]

Or, better yet, shooting the Starbrat itself.

[Cyonan]

Make the case for me Alan. Why should Shep trust in anything the Catalyst has to say to her?

 

While it'll be up to the player to decide if there is good justification for trusting anything star brat says, one explanation could be desperation.

 

It can be figured that we can't beat the Reapers and that throwing our combined military might against them is just going to quicken our demise so Shep might figure "we'll it can't really get worse, might as well give <insert choice of RGB here> a shot to see if I can save us".

[Killroy]

It's like saying a good movie is bad because it has a sad ending

 
Except it's nothing like that because sad=/=bad. Some of my favorite movies have terribly sad endings. 
 

But what do you guys wanted? Shepard to find a magic button that would destroy all reapers and bring peace to milky way?

 
...but that's exactly what happened. What the hell do you think the Crucible was? 

[Fandango]

While it'll be up to the player to decide if there is good justification for trusting anything star brat says, one explanation could be desperation.

 

It can be figured that we can't beat the Reapers and that throwing our combined military might against them is just going to quicken our demise so Shep might figure "we'll it can't really get worse, might as well give <insert choice of RGB here> a shot to see if I can save us".

 

It was a desperate situation alright, but why would it not be more reasonable to assume that the Catalyst is misrepresenting things in such a way as to mislead Shep? 

[AlanC9]

Make the case for me Alan. Why should Shep trust in anything the Catalyst has to say to her?

What's the alternative? Stand there and let the Reapers win? And yes, you can do that if you like, but I don't see how rolling the dice can make anything worse.

[Fandango]

What's the alternative? Stand there and let the Reapers win? And yes, you can do that if you like, but I don't see how rolling the dice can make anything worse.

 

 

That in no way answers my challenge Alan. Care to try again?

[In Exile]

Make the case for me Alan. Why should Shep trust in anything the Catalyst has to say to her?

 

Cause everything is going to be made into slurpee anyway? What have you got to lose? That the Reapers will exterminate all life in the galaxy? 

[In Exile]

It was a desperate situation alright, but why would it not be more reasonable to assume that the Catalyst is misrepresenting things in such a way as to defeat Shep? 

 

They're already winning. Shepard is defeat. In fact, Shepard was defeated from the start of ME3. Probably earlier, but let's put that down as the official "Reapers Win!" moment.

[Fandango]

Cause everything is going to be made into slurpee anyway? What have you got to lose? That the Reapers will exterminate all life in the galaxy? 

 

Right, so the best that can be said is that that final choice is a complete shot in the dark? That's my point!

[AlanC9]

Or, better yet, shooting the Starbrat itself.

Shooting a hologram is unlikely to be a productive activity.

[AlanC9]

That in no way answers my challenge Alan. Care to try again?

How isn't it an answer? You trust that the Crucible will function in ways A, B, or C if you perform actions X, Y, or Z because there's no alternative.

It's not really trust, though. just probabilities.

[Cyonan]

It was a desperate situation alright, but why would it not be more reasonable to assume that the Catalyst is misrepresenting things in such a way as to defeat Shep? 

 

Well the belief that the Reapers will win doesn't necessarily come from the Catalyst. It's pretty clear from all the destruction around you that you're throwing yourselves against a wall.

 

Even if we figure the Catalyst might be lying about the RGB choices, the outcome can only really get better. It's not like it's going to get any worse than all advanced life being harvested and turned into Reaper goo.

 

So it basically becomes "It can't get any worse, might as well give it a shot to see if it can get any better".

[ld1449]

Most excellent.

While I agree, especially on the incredulous "Mac still around and in charge" part, what about Casey Hudson's role as the grand poobah of ME3?

 

Casey Hudson, in my mind, is little more than a glorified parasite whom has proven that he's only as good as the people around him and little else. Its kinda difficult to hold him responsible any more than a sock puppet responsible for the hand guiding it. In ME3, Drew was gone, he put his grossly underqualified friend in charge of the writing, the internal review guy, (the one that checked up on everyone's work to see if it was consistent with what others in the team were writing or had written) left to go work on Halo 4, the guy that wrote Legion for ME2 left as did a lot of other people on the original staff and new people were brought in. At that point, I believe Casey was just taking interviews and smiling for the cameras, not really overlooking everyone's work as he should have been (seriously, in 2011 he was giving an interview every other week, often times in many different places which means the vast majority of his time was spent traveling) and so when it came down to crunch time he was left floundering wondering what the **** to do. And either Mac came up with it, or drew a blank in which point Casey decided to all but plagiarize the endings for Deus Ex (Which according to his own twitter thread was his favorite game of all time.)

 

So he's guilty of gross incompetence, negligence and thievery.

[Fandango]

Well the belief that the Reapers will win doesn't necessarily come from the Catalyst. It's pretty clear from all the destruction around you that you're throwing yourselves against a wall.

 

Even if we figure the Catalyst might be lying about the RGB choices, the outcome can only really get better. It's not like it's going to get any worse than all advanced life being harvested and turned into Reaper goo.

 

So it basically becomes "It can't get any worse, might as well give it a shot to see if it can get any better".

 

Right, so my point about the game rewarding those players who are willing to trust in the Catalyst stands? 

[Fandango]

It's not really trust, though. just probabilities.

 

Sure, so there exists no salient reason why Shep should trust in anything the Catalyst has to say for itself. Glad we're finally on the same page!

[Cyonan]

Right, so my point about the game rewarding those players who are willing to trust in the Catalyst stands? 

 

If you consider any of the outcomes better than going down swinging on your own terms, sure.

[AlanC9]

Sure, so there exists no salient reason why Shep should trust in anything the Catalyst has to say for itself. Glad we're finally on the same page!

I don't think we're precisely on the same page. I see trust as utterly irrelevant to the situation, and you think it's important enough to keep talking about.

[Seboist]

The Catalyst is ultimately just an infodump like Vigil in ME1, no reason not to "trust" it.

[Fandango]

I don't think we're precisely on the same page. I see trust as utterly irrelevant to the situation, and you think it's important enough to keep talking about.

 

Fascinating. So, how did that final choice play out for you Alan? How and why did you make your decision?

 

And, as for my talking a little too often on the subject of ME3's failings for your fancy, I'm not the one with 35,000+ posts to my name here champ!