Actually if I remember correctly, Walters and Hudson completely shut the team off when it came to the endings.
They were affraid they wouldn't agree with their artistic integrity.
Because bioware has destroyed my faith in them. Honestly, EA has destroyed my faith in most gaming companies. Hype just allows people to make poor decisions. I would rather keep a logical and guarded point of view until the game is released and more people have had a chance to play it.
Personally I've always enjoyed Bioware games, from to Balder's Gate to now, I've got em all, enjoy the story telling, even though I might not agree with some points here and there, so I have faith in Andromeda being among those they've made before, enjoyable.
The kinds of people that comment most often on forums like these are hypersensitive drama queens.
I kind of like the endings... or at least, I could have lived with them. My skepticism comes from the fact that it doesn't END. lol. They had to drag it on, and now I question them. The former was a labor of love and this comes off more like a pure "product".
Love? With those endings? - I seriously doubt that (maybe I am just a dick who feels like he's been screwed over one time too often, but I wouldn't call George Lucas ending Star Wars: Return of the Jedi with pink Jawas killing the Emperor (that's how bad those endings are for me! (I am using Star Wars as an example because I am into that, too - more the EU than the movies, that's why I'd love to blow Disney up sometimes...destroying the EU, which IMHO is what was worth the most about the Star Trek brand...it's what kept it alive despite there not having been movies for a long long time after the first three had been finished! Damned Disney, you guys really need a shrink as this is not a great business decision, snubbing the long time fans...some goes for Star Trek - then again: That's also J. J. Abrams (who I call JJ-Crap-Rams!) who has no respect for source material what so ever! No, he has to do his own thing every god damned time...if I didn't know better: I'd think HE wrote the Endings for Mass Effect!!!)), even if that's what he thought makes a great ending!)
Which, of course, is nonsense. It's not like they put the ending together themselves and turned it in at the last minute. Even if the above happened, the ending was obviously discussed and assembled among the team.
Obviously?
While I have doubts about the locked room theory of the endings, I do find it hard to believe that ten professional writers plus other directors and managers would all have put their seal of approval on those endings without realizing the amount of backlash it would cause.
Heck I'm not a professional, and I doubted these endings when I first heard them because I foresaw legions of p*ssed off fans if they tried it.
Obviously?
While I have doubts about the locked room theory of the endings, I do find it hard to believe that ten professional writers plus other directors and managers would all have put their seal of approval on those endings without realizing the amount of backlash it would cause.
Heck I'm not a professional, and I doubted these endings when I first heard them because I foresaw legions of p*ssed off fans if they tried it.
This. How a team of writers would accept these endings as a reasonable conclusion to the trilogy, along with the prospect of sequels is beyond me. The lockout room theory seems more reasonable if you imagine Walters, and Hudson as tyrannical blackmailers.
Obviously?
While I have doubts about the locked room theory of the endings, I do find it hard to believe that ten professional writers plus other directors and managers would all have put their seal of approval on those endings without realizing the amount of backlash it would cause.
Heck I'm not a professional, and I doubted these endings when I first heard them because I foresaw legions of p*ssed off fans if they tried it.
"Why so little faith?"
Because I've heard there's a heavy focus on exploration and if that means something similar to Inquisition or the Bethesda games like Fallout 3/4, then count me out. It's just not my thing.
Also, ME3.
Love? With those endings? - I seriously doubt that (maybe I am just a dick who feels like he's been screwed over one time too often, but I wouldn't call George Lucas ending Star Wars: Return of the Jedi with pink Jawas killing the Emperor (that's how bad those endings are for me! (I am using Star Wars as an example because I am into that, too - more the EU than the movies, that's why I'd love to blow Disney up sometimes...destroying the EU, which IMHO is what was worth the most about the Star Trek brand...it's what kept it alive despite there not having been movies for a long long time after the first three had been finished! Damned Disney, you guys really need a shrink as this is not a great business decision, snubbing the long time fans...some goes for Star Trek - then again: That's also J. J. Abrams (who I call JJ-Crap-Rams!) who has no respect for source material what so ever! No, he has to do his own thing every god damned time...if I didn't know better: I'd think HE wrote the Endings for Mass Effect!!!)), even if that's what he thought makes a great ending!)
I think that wiping the slate clean was inevitable, at least if there was to be any real future for the cinematic side of Star Wars. All in all I'd say it was a sound move. As for the new Star Trek, I think its problems go deeper than its source material. Just that the plots are mind-boggingly stupid are enough to turn me off to them.
Where did Hudson go wrong?The truth is, though, that if Hudson wanted the ending, he'd have gotten it regardless. It's the job of the writing staff to implement the vision of whoever's in charge.
That's just sad. You do not have my pity.Because bioware has destroyed my faith in them. Honestly, EA has destroyed my faith in most gaming companies. Hype just allows people to make poor decisions. I would rather keep a logical and guarded point of view until the game is released and more people have had a chance to play it.
I have barely heard anyone even talk about mass effect andromeda, or for that matter anything involving bioware for that matter in a couple of years now. Seems like competitors like CDPR and others generate more hype to me. All i've heard generally is just some troubling things about the people they've got on board working on the game.
This. How a team of writers would accept these endings as a reasonable conclusion to the trilogy, along with the prospect of sequels is beyond me. The lockout room theory seems more reasonable if you imagine Walters, and Hudson as tyrannical blackmailers.
My theory's always been that everybody just threw up their hands and let the guys who actually had an idea run with it rather than go with nothing. ME1 and ME2 saddled the series with such a nonsense debt that paying it off was impossible. In retrospect, they maybe just should have declared intellectual bankruptcy and not bothered to try and explain anything, but from everything we've heard they never even considered that to be an option.
It couldn't have been worse than the explanation they did give.
You are right, ME1 and ME2 saddled ME3 with a debt it couldn't possibly pay off entirely. So in the end they should have gone the KISS route. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Stop trying to dazzle us with their "brilliance" and just deliver something satisfying. Stop trying to tell us this hamburger is steak and just try delivering the best burger they could.
Nah, you won't, I'm going too, that make 2 of us ~
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The truth is, though, that if Hudson wanted the ending, he'd have gotten it regardless. It's the job of the writing staff to implement the vision of whoever's in charge.
Most likely. Hudson, Walters and/or someone else high up had their "Vision" and told everyone else to shut up.
"This game will suck, you know why? Because EA exists"
EA this, EA that... EA isn't the devil that a lot of people like to say it is anymore. We aren't in 2010, They do stupid things but at the same time they are doing good things with EA Access, launching solid games, free DLC's and giving Bioware the time and money they need to make Andromeda.
In the end of the day every publisher does it for the money and not because they like you.
They don't need to love your dog to be a good publisher.
If he's the one in charge of the endings then I have no fear. They learned their lesson I'm sure and he did good work before the endings.
That's just sad. You do not have my pity.
Trust me I don't want your pity. *shakes head* I just couldn't be as mean as I wanted too. Can't risk another warning over butthurt.
I do think people romanticize Old Bioware. BG2 had mandatory tragic endings for some characters and romances. The OC was full pf stupid, cowardly people whose supposedly heroic leader allowed a man to be lynched--and the game design makes DAI look like Baldur's Gate. I'm excited because MEA appeals to the part of me that wanted to be an astronaut. If I don't like what I hear later on, I won't buy the game.
That was partly the appeal of original ME for me, but it's completely out of touch with that. There was kind of a down to earth element to the first series.. Humanity was past it's space race stage, but was still getting it's footing with aliens. And the story of being a Spectre played into how that... how humanity would finally contribute. It was a little like ST: Enterprise.
This is more "hyper-ized" sci-fi (for lack of a better word). This tribute to the Space Race now is silly, when you've gotten to another galaxy, and the past story culminated into Space Opera already.
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