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[ssanyesz]

Nice editing there. In the beginning of ME2 they were out searching for Geth activity, who in ME1 were confirmed working with the Reapers.

 

Shepard dies.....it's easier to tell people that there's no Reapers and that Shepard was delusional.

 

Politicians do it to us all the time. Tell us what's nicer on the ears, not the actual threat.

 

Thank you. But that doesn't change the content of the video.

 

In the beginning of ME2 the whole incident were swept under the rug, before Shep died, because it was easier for BW to do a side story, rather than a sequel as it was led up at the end of ME1.

[Akka le Vil]

This is something i've noticed yet I don't necessarily know why.

 

The Mass Effect trilogy has been one of the more consistent trilogies in terms of quality (outside of ME3s hiccups) around in recent years yet for some reason the fanbase seems to have almost zero hope for Andromeda.

 

Franchises like Dark Souls, Final Fantasy, Witcher, Deus Ex still manage to conjure up hype yet they are way less consistent than the Mass Effect trilogy, what gives?

Is it modern Bioware or the game series itself? I would understand fears with Modern Bioware but not the game series itself, Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 are all legitimately fantastic games.

There is three and a half clear reasons I've little hope for Andromeda and basically forget it exists most of the time :

 

1) Bioware's inspiration has consistently declined since they've been bought by EA. The polish has improved with the budget (save for the DA2 fiasco), but the soul has been lost. It's really a pure example of how a game can be less interesting despite looking like having a higher quality.

2) ME was Shepard. The end of Shepard makes it difficult to envision ME continuing.

3) Mainly : ME3 was a pile of dung. It destroyed the serie and though I've no doubt Andromeda will be better, the whole franchise has been despoiled by this turd and as such Andromeda is tainted by association.

3 bis) The half a reason, because it's mainly part of the previous one : I've become convinced that the true genius in ME, who made it feels actually different from all other SF universe, was Chris L'Etoile, who left after ME2. It goes a long way why I felt ME3 broke down everywhere and why it felt "space magic" instead of "SF", and he won't be there for Andromeda. So tough luck.

 

Also, as a bonus : the string of people leaving Bioware and Andromeda certainly doesn't make for a reassuring picture.

[SKAR]

Trust me I don't want your pity. *shakes head* I just couldn't be as mean as I wanted too. Can't risk another warning over butthurt.

True. Sometimes you have to let it go. Live to whine another day.

[Amirit]

I kind of like the endings... or at least, I could have lived with them. My skepticism comes from the fact that it doesn't END. lol. They had to drag it on, and now I question them. The former was a labor of love and this comes off more like a pure "product".

 

So, I am not the only one with that feeling. Can not see any excitement on developers behalf. It does feel like they are just  "making another game", all in a day's work. So hope I am wrong!

[Furisco]

EA has won the worst company in America award at least twice. Perhaps three. I can't remember.

They won an internet poll with a bunch of troll votes? Did you saw the other companies on that list?

 

They don't launch solid games,

They do, if you don't like them that's your problem.

 

their free dlc sucks and is often stolen from modders,

Hahhahahahaha

 

and really? Giving bioware time and money to make a game so they can make money isn't some goddamn act of goodwill.

Just like i said? "In the end of the day every publisher does it for the money and not because they like you."

 

It is like patting dads on the back for changing a diaper. Jesus. That's what we have stooped too? Sometimes I think consumers deserve the lackluster **** they get. No one is asking them to love our dog. We are asking them to stop feeding us ****, actually treat their employees like people, and give developers time to you know make a product WORTH the money. If you think the games they have put out are worth the money, well you sir should look at this lovely time share I have. *head shaking*

Maybe you should calm down and use your brain to think for a second, all this hate isn't good for your heart.

 

[SKAR]

They won an internet poll with a bunch of troll votes? Did you saw the other companies on that list?

They do, if you don't like them that's your problem.

Hahhahahahaha

Just like i said? "In the end of the day every publisher does it for the money and not because they like you."

Maybe you should calm down and use your brain to think for a second, all this hate isn't good for your heart.

You show em furisco.

[Prince Enigmatic]

 

 

 

^ WHERE has this gif been all my life.

 

If I had a penny for every appropriate time I could have used that on BSN...

 

Anyways as to the OP, I for one am excited for Andromeda. Not hyped yet, since there's still a swathe of uncertainty over it atm, but the more we know, the more hyped I'll probably feel.

 

I do agree to an extent what some people have been saying on here about whether we need Andromeda. In all honesty, I felt the original trilogy concluded well enough (I'm talking about Extended Cut, Leviathan and Citadel DLCs before any ending haters descend) that I didn't feel like I needed a sequel or another Mass Effect game. 

 

I feel it would have been nice for Mass Effect to have been that one trilogy, even if there were more stories left to tell, I didn't feel I needed a sequel to it as much as I would like a sequel to other games say The Last of Us, or BioShock, or Until Dawn etc.

 

But that doesn't stop me from being happy and excited for Andromeda, since its a new galaxy, a new story, and as long as it still feels inherently like a Mass Effect game, no matter what changes are there, I'll be happy.

[Whitering]

They launched one game I actively disliked, but some saint at the company gave us a demo to try before buying it. That was DA2, and based on that demo I said, noooo. Even so, I came close to buying it at times, but even on Origin they never lumped it into one package, so years later it can still be over 100 bucks to get everything, and I only considered buying it moments of weakness anyway.

 

DAI, I watched near 200 hours of the game on youtube before deciding I wouldn't enjoy it, you can't understand how often I waffled on that.

 

DAO and DAA fully modded are one of my favourite games of all time, I play it a lot, but less after I knew it wouldn't matter in any future games anymore (since I wasn't going to play them).

 

But ME1, 2 and 3...terrific, a couple of missteps, but great games. So, I don't know, so many people have left that made those great games. Maybe Bioware saved me a purchase by pushing it back. Squadron 42, Cyberpunk 2077, and Syberia 3 are all due out later this year, early next year (well, wishful thinking for Cyberpunk), so I will be too busy to play ME4 anyway.

[SKAR]

^ WHERE has this gif been all my life.

If I had a penny for every appropriate time I could have used that on BSN...

Anyways as to the OP, I for one am excited for Andromeda. Not hyped yet, since there's still a swathe of uncertainty over it atm, but the more we know, the more hyped I'll probably feel.

I do agree to an extent what some people have been saying on here about whether we need Andromeda. In all honesty, I felt the original trilogy concluded well enough (I'm talking about Extended Cut, Leviathan and Citadel DLCs before any ending haters descend) that I didn't feel like I needed a sequel or another Mass Effect game.

I feel it would have been nice for Mass Effect to have been that one trilogy, even if there were more stories left to tell, I didn't feel I needed a sequel to it as much as I would like a sequel to other games say The Last of Us, or BioShock, or Until Dawn etc.

But that doesn't stop me from being happy and excited for Andromeda, since its a new galaxy, a new story, and as long as it still feels inherently like a Mass Effect game, no matter what changes are there, I'll be happy.

I know exactly how you feel brother.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

EA has won the worst company in America award at least twice. Perhaps three. I can't remember.

Which is ridiculous since the options didn't include most of the actual worst companies in America, like the banks that caused a global recession. 

[SKAR]

EA has won the worst company in America award at least twice. Perhaps three. I can't remember. They don't launch solid games, their free dlc sucks and is often stolen from modders, and really? Giving bioware time and money to make a game so they can make money isn't some goddamn act of goodwill. It is just them doing their jobs. It is like patting dads on the back for changing a diaper. Jesus. That's what we have stooped too? Sometimes I think consumers deserve the lackluster **** they get. No one is asking them to love our dog. We are asking them to stop feeding us ****, actually treat their employees like people, and give developers time to you know make a product WORTH the money. If you think the games they have put out are worth the money, well you sir should look at this lovely time share I have. *head shaking*

you're just deluded. Be grateful. They've brought us quality games in the past. Battlefield, Star Wars Battlefront, UFC, FIFA, Mirror's Edge, Etc. They have the Frostbite engine. You don't like them running the show don't buy their games. This is beneath you. Stop now keep your dignity why you still got it.

[Prince Enigmatic]

Some people just love to complain. 

 

Some people will go on vacation and actively look for things to complain about in their pathetic Trip Adviser reviews, and people will actively blame other people for the problems facing their countries rather than people in government. 

 

And some gamers have enjoyed shaking their fists and nerdraging at EA for so long now, to them they represent the evil masked overlords of every terrible thing that has happened to their precious life simulators/games since.

 

When there is a valid, mature criticism leveled against EA then fine. 

 

But endless spewing of inarticulate anger at EA or whatever is just tiring and why the gaming industry is derided by other outlets for its immaturity. 

[elrofrost]

I loved ME1, 2 and 3. Even with the ending. Played the series and all DLC's several times. And will probably replay it once more before MEA.

 

But considering BW's last big release, DA!, I'm not expecting much from MEA. I suspect the game will continue to follow the trend that other major game publishers are on; dumb the game down and leave little choice. Just look at FO4 for an example of that.

I hope I'm wrong. But I do think BW knows this is it. Messed this up and they are finished.

[Spectr61]

There is three and a half clear reasons I've little hope for Andromeda and basically forget it exists most of the time :
 
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3 bis) The half a reason, because it's mainly part of the previous one : I've become convinced that the true genius in ME, who made it feels actually different from all other SF universe, was Chris L'Etoile, who left after ME2. It goes a long way why I felt ME3 broke down everywhere and why it felt "space magic" instead of "SF", and he won't be there for Andromeda. So tough luck.
 
Also, as a bonus : the string of people leaving Bioware and Andromeda certainly doesn't make for a reassuring picture.

This.

Chris L'Etoile, spot on.

Thane, Legion, Edi, Tali with him,

Starbrat and the endings fiasco without him.

[dreamgazer]

This.

Chris L'Etoile, spot on.

Thane, Legion, Edi, Tali with him,

Starbrat and the endings fiasco without him.

 

Uh, yeah, that doesn't really work.  We also got Project Lazarus and Space Terminator "with" him, as well as Hopper Saren and the nonsense with the magic brain filters regarding the Thorian. None of which had anything to do with L'Etoile. 

 

Also, his grasp on the geth and their networked non-individuality is wildly flawed, not to mention liberally retconning ME1. 

[Spectr61]

Uh, yeah, that doesn't really work.  We also got Project Lazarus and Space Terminator "with" him, as well as Hopper Saren and the nonsense with the magic brain filters regarding the Thorian. None of which had anything to do with L'Etoile. 
 
Also, his grasp on the geth and their networked non-individuality is wildly flawed, not to mention liberally retconning ME1.

In the realm of opinion, whose matters?

Also, Saren = Drew.

https://forum.biowar...haracter/page-1

[dreamgazer]

In the realm of opinion, whose matters?

 

Not really an opinion. Chris had nothing to do with any of what's been discussed, beyond the things he actually wrote.

 

If he did, then he's also responsible for the flaws in ME1 and ME2, beyond the flaws that he actually was responsible for.

[Spectr61]

Not really an opinion. Chris had nothing to do with any of what's been discussed, beyond the things he actually wrote.
 
If he did, then he's also responsible for the flaws in ME1 and ME2, beyond the flaws that he actually was responsible for.

Ok then, outside your opinion, who said "his grasp on the Geth and their networked non-individuality was wildly flawed" or L'Etoile "liberally retconning ME1"?

[dreamgazer]

Ok then, outside your opinion, who said "his grasp on the Geth and their networked non-individuality was wildly flawed" or L'Etoile "liberally retconning ME1"?

 

Those are opinions, insomuch as his contradictory perception of geth individuality (they have a conflict of opinion) and those ME1 geth being the "heretic" bad-guy geth can be seen as opinions. 

 

L'Etoile having nothing to do with magic brain filters from the Thorian, Project Cure-Death, and the Catalyst isn't opinion. 

[Spectr61]

Those are opinions, insomuch as his contradictory perception of geth individuality (they have a conflict of opinion) and those ME1 geth being the "heretic" bad-guy geth can be seen as opinions.

L'Etoile having nothing to do with magic brain filters from the Thorian, Project Cure-Death, and the Catalyst isn't opinion.

Exactly my point.

The stuff you don't like about L'Etoiles' work is your opinion,

and the other stuff he had nothing to do with.

My opinion is that I like the stuff he did, and not the stuff after he left, especially the Starbrat and the ME3 endings.

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[dreamgazer]

Exactly my point.

What exactly is your point?

The stuff you don't like about L'Etoiles' work is you opinion,

and the other stuff he had nothing to do with.

My opinion is that I like the stuff he did, and not the stuff after he left, especially the Starbrat and the ME3 endings.

 
You're allowed to like flawed, contradictory writing all you like. However:
 

Thane, Legion, Edi, Tali with him,

Starbrat and the endings fiasco without him.

... makes it sound as if his absence is somehow responsible for the things you don't like, while his presence didn't stop other dumb "magical" things from happening in ME1 and ME2.

[Gwydden]

You people realize developing a game is a huge undertaking that typically involves a large team of people working on different parts of it, right? I doubt you can pin the mistakes later in the series on any one individual, especially since all three games had major flaws.

[Spectr61]

What exactly is your point? You're allowed to like flawed, contradictory writing all you like. However: ... makes it sound as if his absence is somehow responsible for the things you don't like, while his presence didn't stop other dumb "magical" things from happening in ME1 and ME2.

Why did you ask what my point was, and then state it?

And again, in the realm of opinion, whose matters?

[dreamgazer]

Why did you ask what my point was, and then state it?

Because it sounds like you're trying to make a point about Mass Effect with L'Etoile and Mass Effect without L'Etoile.

So I was giving you a chance to elaborate more on it. Clearly, there wasn't much to your point.

And again, in the realm of opinion, whose matters?

In the realm of fact, the fact being that L'Etoile was around for two games' worth of problematic writing, nobody's opinion matters.

[Spectr61]

Because it sounds like you're trying to make a point about Mass Effect with L'Etoile and Mass Effect without L'Etoile.So I was giving you a chance to elaborate more on it. Clearly, there wasn't much to your point.In the realm of fact, the fact being that L'Etoile was around for two games' worth of problematic writing, nobody's opinion matters.

Great. Glad you have your (strongly stated) opinions.

I won't say anything self-obvious about allowing people to have their opinions like you did.

The fact remains LEtoile was around for 1 & 2, not 3.

I happen to like 1 & 2, his work in them; and dislike 3, especially the endings.

It could be coincidental, but in my opinion, is not.