Not exactly, but lets say I agree.
What's to disagree with? He spells out his plan in Trespasser.
Inquisitor: What would have happened if Corypheus had died and you'd recovered the orb?
Solas: I would have entered the Fade using the mark you now bear. Then I would have torn down the Veil. As this world burned in the raw chaos, I would have restored the world of my time — the world of the elves.
Ya, I'm doubting that's the whole truth. Yes, spirits can be twisted to be demons, but that doesn't explain all demons. Who twisted the Nightmare? It's more like the Nightmare witnessed fear and decided to feed on it for a millennium because why not?
No one forced the Nightmare to go bad. If they are only roles without choice or will, then they are just tools, not people.
Even without the Veil, there will still be war and oppression and evil. There will be those who can more easily achieve godhood and impose their wills not just on people, but the material world itself. If the Blight wins, then there is nothing. So, if one will win, I guess something is better than nothing, but it seems Thedas is more prepared to face a Blight than a world without the Veil.
Perhaps the best solution is more anti-blight enchantments and a stronger Veil.
Spirits and demons are reflections of the living. They exists because people exist, just like spirits that imitate the "good" qualities of life. Demons are like the flip-side of Spirits. Spirits are vulnerable to corruption, which can turn them into demons. That's why spirits like Wisdom stay away from mortals.
Spirits and demons are reflections of the living. They exists because people exist, just like spirits that imitate the "good" qualities of life. Demons are like the flip-side of Spirits. Spirits are vulnerable to corruption, which can turn them into demons. That's why few spirits like Wisdom stay away from mortals.
If that is the case (and I agree that spirits are greatly influenced by mortals), then I don't see how that would change when the Veil goes down... unless there are no more mortals...
That is basically part of the problem I think. It would be such a harsh and sudden change that all creatures, Fade and not, would be confused and dangerous to each other. Everyone has lived in a world of separation for so long, that's all they know...
Solas should take a page out of The Legend of Korra's book. 
Hahaha, I didn't think about Avatar when comparing things to DA; usually refer to Warhammer.
That is true, though... heh, and they have bloodbending.... also, benders dominate society, I was disappointed that they dropped that plot after the first season of Korra... Korra just got more boring after that to me, but the reveal of the Avatar's history and the possible creation of a Dark Avatar was cool.
And it has a Varrick! 
I think the first season was intended to be a stand-alone mini-series, so... I wish the anti-bending idea had carried a little farther too, but oh well. I still enjoyed the whole series. The 3rd season... that was some intense stuff.
You mean like a blight? The first blight remains the most catastrophic event in Thedas to date, the breach was a joke in comparison.
As the Bad future in "In hushed whispers" shows, the breach is far from a joke. It pretty much caused the end of the world as Thedas knew it. Demons decimated mortals until only Corypheus followers were left and by the time the Inquisitor reappears even they are slowly being killed by the demons one after one. It at the very least on level with the first blight, if not worse since unlike Darkspawn there is no way to stop demons since there is no convenient "kill leader-> rest of them flee underground again" way out.
That was just a saying, they have minds but limited intelligence. There is a certain dialogue with Solas and Blackwall. BW asks Solas tips on defeating demons, he says survive thirty heartbeats, because if you can survive 30 seconds they would use every single tool and power in their disposal and leave nothing to surprise, concluding with the fact that majority of demons are not intelligent.
While the majority of demons aren't very intelligent there are outliners that are dangerously cunning like Imshael or the Nightmare, who are most definitely on human levels of intelligence. And numerous less powerful demons often follow those stronger ones.
Not exactly, but lets say I agree. But what about mass binding of demons? Remove Corypheus from play and demons are mere mindless scrubs, not even 1/10 of a threat a blight can be.
You do realize that the Nightmare is the one controlling Corypheus demon army?
I don't think they could have continued the anti-bender plot in avatar because unlike mages in DA:I benders cannot be possessed. They are simply more useful and capable than normal people, we have to accept that.
As the Bad future in "In hushed whispers" shows, the breach is far from a joke. It pretty much caused the end of the world as Thedas knew it. Demons decimated mortals until only Corypheus followers were left and by the time the Inquisitor reappears even they are slowly being killed by the demons one after one. It at the very least on level with the first blight, if not worse since unlike Darkspawn there is no way to stop demons since there is no convenient "kill leader-> rest of them flee underground again" way out.
While the majority of demons aren't very intelligent there are outliners that are dangerously cunning like Imshael or the Nightmare, who are most definitely on human levels of intelligence. And numerous less powerful demons often follow those stronger ones.
You do realize that the Nightmare is the one controlling Corypheus demon army?
Nightmare has made a deal with Corypheus, but its Cory who uses mages to bind demons. A demon cannot bind another demon, or at least we have never been shown such a thing. Following is another matter, which is again very rare.
As I said if you remove Corypheus from play, aka a darkspawn, the breach was not that big of a threat. Rival demons would pretty much oppose Nightmare, like Imshael.
Ya, I'm doubting that's the whole truth. Yes, spirits can be twisted to be demons, but that doesn't explain all demons. Who twisted the Nightmare? It's more like the Nightmare witnessed fear and decided to feed on it for a millennium because why not?
No one specific. It's posited (by Solas?) in HLtA that it was once a spirit of compassion or something similar and took people's fears away to help them, similarly to what Cole does.
It's also worth noting that demons can revert to spirits, according to Cole's story.
I don't think they could have continued the anti-bender plot in avatar because unlike mages in DA:I benders cannot be possessed. They are simply more useful and capable than normal people, we have to accept that.
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I'm not saying it should've evolved much beyond what it did, what with Amon... being Amon, but it fizzled out a little too quickly for me. There are still likely people who begrudge benders. That's not the focus of Avatar, so I get it. That Korra was still carrying Amon baggage all the way through the series is good enough, I suppose.
...Don't want to derail your topic.
I should go.
No one specific. It's posited (by Solas?) in HLtA that it was once a spirit of compassion or something similar and took people's fears away to help them, similarly to what Cole does.
Following is another matter, which is again very rare.
It's not at all. Pretty much every powerful demon we meet has lesser demons working form her/him/it as mooks.
As I said if you remove Corypheus from play, aka a darkspawn, the breach was not that big of a threat. Rival demons would pretty much oppose Nightmare, like Imshael.
The breach f*cked the entirety of the south (maybe even the whole world) up for everyone including Corypheus, because endless demons were pouring out of it killing everyone indiscriminately and even the venatori ran out of blood sacrifices to bind them and are pretty much just bunkered up in their strongholds, like Redcliffe, fighting of demons while they slowly loose numbers. Removing Corypheus from that situation would change little aside from maybe instead of Venatori the current ruling class of Fereldan and Orlais would be the ones bunkered up and slowly dying in their castles.
Divine Justinia offers that theory.
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But the Grey Wardens at Adamant were successfully possessed.
No they weren't. They were placed under remote magical mind control.
No they weren't. They were placed under remote magical mind control.
But Sophia Dryden, a warden commander, was possessed by a demon in Wardens Peak. Also some warden mages turn into abominations in "The last flight." There are also blighted werewolves in Awakening and Werevolves that aren't a result of Zathrians curse are usually wolves posessed by demons. There is even a Demon that posesses a dead Ogre during Awakening and a Darkspawn mage does reanimate another dead Ogre in Return to Ostagar (reanimating dead things is done my putting spirits/demons into them). So Darkspawn aren't completely immune ti posession at all, it's just rare.
It's not at all. Pretty much every powerful demon we meet has lesser demons working form her/him/it as mooks.
The breach f*cked the entirety of the south (maybe even the whole world) up for everyone including Corypheus, because endless demons were pouring out of it killing everyone indiscriminately and even the venatori ran out of blood sacrifices to bind them and are pretty much just bunkered up in their strongholds, like Redcliffe, fighting of demons while they slowly loose numbers. Removing Corypheus from that situation would change little aside from maybe instead of Venatori the current ruling class of Fereldan and Orlais would be the ones bunkered up and slowly dying in their castles.
These demons are only shown in gameplay however and there is no acknowledgement of demons following intelligent demons, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. Just Like abominations coming out of ground in DA2.
There is mage-Templar war and civil war in Orlais, not to mention the only location "slowly dying" is Redcliff. Demons cannot venture far from the breach and it would take million years for demons to destroy anything. Demons would stand no chance against united armies, because they would never have the efficiency and order of them. A spirit of faith took care of Nightmare, so he wasn't that strong at all. Nothing a few mages and Templars couldn't handle if they are not killing each other.
I just think Darkspawn are worse because that taint lasts years and years. Even just being on tainted ground can sicken you and kill you. And the Anderfells were blighted 1000 years ago and it's still pretty much a wasteland that is super rough to live on. Although it's my understanding that Antiva was lost in the 4th blight, and they seem to have recovered, but that was a 10 year Blight. The First Blight lasted nearly 200 years.
I guess what I'm saying is that even if you kill a Drakspawn, their destruction lingers way after you burn the bodies, making it really hard to recover in all aspects of life.
But Sophia Dryden, a warden commander, was possessed by a demon in Wardens Peak. Also some warden mages turn into abominations in "The last flight." There are also blighted werewolves in Awakening and Werevolves that aren't a result of Zathrians curse are usually wolves posessed by demons. There is even a Demon that posesses a dead Ogre during Awakening and a Darkspawn mage does reanimate another dead Ogre in Return to Ostagar (reanimating dead things is done my putting spirits/demons into them). So Darkspawn aren't completely immune ti posession at all, it's just rare.
Sophia Dryden's corpse was possessed. I can't speak for The Last Flight, but I wouldn't be surprised if novels that peripheral got some details wrong. The blighted werewolves were, I suspect, tainted after becoming werewolves. And, of course, both of the darkspawn you mention were dead.
In case of Anders, David Gaider said only two scenarios are possible. Either Justice will eventually win over the taint and cure it or the taint will win and corrupt Justice as well. Of course he never mentioned which, but this indicates fade entities and blight cannot coexist. One will always remove the other, one way or another. Because we have never seen a blighted fade entity, I think Justice would cure the taint instead of getting tainted himself but only my take on it.
(The demon inside Sophia was not tainted, only the host was not to mention it was a corpse)
These demons are only shown in gameplay however and there is no acknowledgement of demons following intelligent demons, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. Just Like abominations coming out of ground in DA2.
There are multiple acknowledgments of demons following more powerful/intelligent ones. DAO Broken circle: multiple characters mention the Sloth demons lietuenants and that you have to kill them in order to get to the sloth demon itslef.
The Nightmare mentions explicitly in dialogue with Iron bull that Bull would make a fabolous vessel for one of it's minnions.
The desire demon that posessess Connor explicity refers to the undead as her army.
The Pride demon posessing Uldred is obviously in some sort of leadership position over the other abominations in cutscens as well as gameplay.
There is mage-Templar war and civil war in Orlais, not to mention the only location "slowly dying" is Redcliff.
Uhm, no. If it was only a local problem in Redcliffe, why would Corypheus himself desperately want to go back in time and undo the breach?
Demons cannot venture far from the breach and it would take million years for demons to destroy anything.
The breach is everywhere during the bad future. It has pretty much replaced the sky. Demons don't have to venture far from the breach because it is already everywhere and it took them 2 years to destroy most of (at the very least southern) civilization not a million.
Demons would stand no chance against united armies, because they would never have the efficiency and order of them.
Yet they tend to always kick the ass of wathever armed forces they encounter, until our plot armored protagonist comes along and saves the day.
A spirit of faith took care of Nightmare, so he wasn't that strong at all. Nothing a few mages and Templars couldn't handle if they are not killing each other.
If by "took care of Nightmare" you mean "mildly inconvenienced it for about five minutes until it reappeared completely unscathed" then yes, a spirit of faith (which is one of the most powerful spirits to begin with) "took care of the Nightmare". It would eat a few mages and Templars for breakfast.
I'd say the Darkspawn are much greater threat.
Demons can be bound ... greater demons such as The Nightmare might have a difficult time getting out of the Fade, but assuming he gets released, then he'd be a great threat simply because there's no way to counter a great demon (I think) unlike an Archdemon with Grey Wardens.
I think the main issue is that outside of Tevinter, there's not much study in demonology, so a demon invasion will be more devastating (initially) than a darkspawn one.
y'know, on the one hand we have Solas saying spirits are nice and become demons against their will, and in my previous answer i forgot about harrowings and demons wanted to possess mages.
Sooooo just maybe we're trying to come up with a theory when actually we have conflicting evidence that precludes this. Not the first time Bioware
I'd say Demons are a threat level Green while Darkspawn of a threat level Milky White.
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