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[Donquijote and 59 others]

I do wonder why Bioware is forcing the same exact outcomes in this game when they don't make any sense and i'm not referring to the ultra obvious resurrection of npc.

 

-Connor mentioned king Alistair when he doesn't even exist.

 

-I don't recall to have  helped this Dagna person yet it appears i had the same outcome of those who helped her so why bother to even put the choice in DAO?

 

-Anora is too Ooc in this game there are zero reasons for someone like her to sympathize for mages so why they decided that it was a good idea to force her to behave like Alistair and give to me the same outcome of those who had him as ruler?

 

 

-Morrigan is accusing Flemeth in the altar of Mythal that she is planning to steal her body when i never gave to her the grimoire which contained those infos  who were nowhere to be found other than in that book that was written by FLemeth.

 

 

 

 

 

[thats1evildude]

Connor mentioned king Alistair when he doesn't even exist.

 

Probably a bug.

 

 

-I don't recall to have  helped this Dagna person yet it appears i had the same outcome of those who helped her so why bother to even put the choice in DAO?

 

If you didn't help her, she has different dialogue. Even if the destination was the same, her journey was quite different.

 

 

Morrigan is accusing Flemeth in the altar of Mythal that she is planning to steal her body when i never gave to her the grimoire which contained those infos  who were nowhere to be found other than in that book that was written by FLemeth.

 

She found the information through other means. You're assuming the Grimoire is the only record that details how Flemeth steals her daughter's bodies. (Which may not be accurate.)

[Aren]

The bug of Connor which appear in a world state with Anora Queen or Anora Queen married with the Warden was to my knowledge never resolved by Bioware but is one of the bug of DAI and they are aware of it.

 

I can't really say anything about Anora she seem just too Ooc in DAI i have no explanation.

 

 

 

 

She found the information through other means. You're assuming the Grimoire is the only record that details how Flemeth steals her daughter's bodies. (Which may not be accurate.)

Care to explain because that isn't an explanation but a guess.

I don't recall dialogues in which it was implied that she found other ways to discover the infos of the Grimoire which seems to be the only source of such intels about Flemeth since it was written by her own hands.The only one who read it was Gregoir and certainly Gregoir isn't a friend of Morrigan to my knowledge.

[PapaCharlie9]

Be careful what you wish for. Some amount of inconsistency is to be expected. Insuring there are none at all would either mean offering fewer choices to players, or, much longer development times until we see the next installment.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

I don't recall dialogues in which it was implied that she found other ways to discover the infos of the Grimoire which seems to be the only source of such intels about Flemeth since it was written by her own hands.The only one who read it was Gregoir and certainly Gregoir isn't a friend of Morrigan to my knowledge.

 

Yavana said that the book was some sort of family secret so i doubt she could have gained those intels from other sources that were not FLemeth or her sisters or Mythal that she didn't even know existed

 

Be careful what you wish for. Some amount of inconsistency is to be expected. Insuring there are none at all would either mean offering fewer choices to players, or, much longer development times until we see the next installment.

I can acknowledge that but with Anora they imho exaggerated,if they gave the option to made her the Queen i expect that her decisions would be  differents from the one of Alistair since unlike him In no point she showed to care for mages in DAO or to care for their rights unless you roll a mage warden.

[LobselVith8]

Yavana said that the book was some sort of family secret so i doubt she could have gained those intels from other sources that were not FLemeth or her sisters or Mythal that she didn't even know existed

 

It's been acknowledged that they have handwaved certain things (Gaider even used the word 'handwave' when he explained how they didn't want to handwave another death by bringing Nathaniel back to Kirkwall, which is why they ultimately created Sebastian). We can look at the outcomes to the Magi Boon and the Dalish Boon being handwaved as examples that Bioware will toss aside our actions to make their current story more convenient for them. Anders even meets Justice if Anders was never recruited and Justice was killed in the Dragonbone Wastes, with no explanation as to how the two met. It's Dragon Age; rectons happen.

[In Exile]

Correction: a handwave isn't a retcon. A retcon is a situation where Bioware reinterprets a past event. When they basically create a contrived situation moving forward into the future it isn't a retcon.

A retcon for the mage boon is that Alistair never did it even if you picked it. A handwave is that he tried and the Chantry stepped in to stop it after the fact.

The problem is that there's no way to do an epilogue without taking about the future in wide language but doing that can easily screw up your whole continuity in a way you can't write around.

[LobselVith8]

Correction: a handwave isn't a retcon. A retcon is a situation where Bioware reinterprets a past event. When they basically create a contrived situation moving forward into the future it isn't a retcon.

A retcon for the mage boon is that Alistair never did it even if you picked it. A handwave is that he tried and the Chantry stepped in to stop it after the fact.

The problem is that there's no way to do an epilogue without taking about the future in wide language but doing that can easily screw up your whole continuity in a way you can't write around.

 

Well, considering that Gaider used it in the context of bringing Nathaniel back from the dead, that's not really something you should be taking up with me.

 

Furthermore, considering that there were Epilogue slides addressing the consequences of the Magi Boon and Dalish Boon, I'd classify it as rectons to contradict those outcomes.

 

I'd argue whether or not it was necessary to recton the Magi Boon and the Dalish Boon, but this really isn't the thread for that, and I doubt the two of us would reach a consensus in any case.

[In Exile]

Well, considering that Gaider used it in the context of bringing Nathaniel back from the dead, that's not really something you should be taking up with me.

 

Furthermore, considering that there were Epilogue slides addressing the consequences of the Magi Boon and Dalish Boon, I'd classify it as rectons to contradict those outcomes.

 

I'd argue whether or not it was necessary to recton the Magi Boon and the Dalish Boon, but this really isn't the thread for that, and I doubt the two of us would reach a consensus in any case.

 

Starting in reverse: I don't think it was necessary to retcon the boons. I just think it was a good idea. Otherwise, Ferelden is just a deadzone as a setting forever, and becomes increasingly dead and unavailable as a setting even for codex entries the further in the future you go.

 

I'm not sure where you're getting that I'm contesting that the boons were a retcon. I specifically used them as an example of a retcon. 

 

As to handwave, I will take it up with you, because Bioware's yet to actually bring someone back from the dead as far as I know. They certainly didn't do it with Leliana.  

[LobselVith8]

As to handwave, I will take it up with you, because Bioware's yet to actually bring someone back from the dead as far as I know. They certainly didn't do it with Leliana.  

 

Oghren comes back from the dead. Anders comes back from the dead when you account for his death in one of his Epilogues slide. Regardless, the phrase "too much handwaving" was used in the explanation provided as to why Nathaniel wasn't brought to Kirkwall and how Sebastian came to be, and perhaps he included Leliana in this because there was no explanation as to how she was alive if the Warden killed her (at the time this information was provided).

[Aren]

Bioware's yet to actually bring someone back from the dead as far as I know. They certainly didn't do it with Leliana.  

They did it with Oghren in DAA.

They did it even with the HoF in DAA.

[GoldenGail3]

Pfft no, not really.

[Toasted Llama]

They did it even with the HoF in DAA.

 

 

 

No? They didn't? If your HoF dies in DA:O, you should get the Orleisian Warden in DA:A, if you get your HoF again that's a bug.

[Andraste_Reborn]

You're allowed to import a dead Warden, but Word Of God on that is that it's the developers allowing the player to retcon their PC's death if they want to. The game proceeds as if the ritual were performed, the Warden did not die and come back in-universe.

[Kantr]

Why after nearly two years after release do you start complaining about this? Or have you done this before. 

[AlanC9]

You're allowed to import a dead Warden, but Word Of God on that is that it's the developers allowing the player to retcon their PC's death if they want to. The game proceeds as if the ritual were performed, the Warden did not die and come back in-universe.

I always wondered what went on in that staff meeting. What was the Orlesian Warden for, if not the US ending?

[Aren]

No? They didn't? If your HoF dies in DA:O, you should get the Orleisian Warden in DA:A, if you get your HoF again that's a bug.

The Orlesian warden does not exist is not even an option in the DA keep which mean that they never met the Architect.

 

You're allowed to import a dead Warden, but Word Of God on that is that it's the developers allowing the player to retcon their PC's death if they want to. The game proceeds as if the ritual were performed, the Warden did not die and come back in-universe.

 

The DR is assumed as rejected and is even reflected in Wh and in DAII it's simply a resurrection.

[Phoe77]

All the Keep says about the Architect is that "The Warden" either kills him or lets him live.  That can obviously refer to either the HoF or the Orlesian Warden Commander.  There's no need for a slide to specifically account for which one of those two is used in Awakening since it's dictated by the fate of the HoF at Denerim.  

[Dai Grepher]

-Anora is too Ooc in this game there are zero reasons for someone like her to sympathize for mages so why they decided that it was a good idea to force her to behave like Alistair and give to me the same outcome of those who had him as ruler?

Your other grievances were answered, so I will take this one.

There are a few reasons why Anora would support the mages. If nothing else, it could be a shrewd play at gaining powerful allies for Ferelden's benefit. Mages can equate to revenue, cheap and effective labor, or a military deterrent. If the Ferelden Circle was annulled, then Ferelden would need more mages anyway.

If the Circle was saved, then Anora would rightly believe that mages should be helped, just as they helped Ferelden end the Fifth Blight.

Personally, my headcanon is that my Hero King of Ferelden predicted that a calamity would occur against the Veil (based on what Eleni Zinovia and Morrigan said in Witch Hunt, as well as experiences from Origins), assumed that mages would be required to help protect Ferelden from the threat, and imparted this wisdom to Anora before he left to find the cure.

So it isn't that Anora was out of character, it's that you didn't think about any of her possible motives for helping the mages.

[Aren]

All the Keep says about the Architect is that "The Warden" either kills him or lets him live.  That can obviously refer to either the HoF or the Orlesian Warden Commander.  There's no need for a slide to specifically account for which one of those two is used in Awakening since it's dictated by the fate of the HoF at Denerim.  

The Orlesian warden does not exist and cannot be imported in the DA keep.

You can't import the avatar  of this character because you cant load multiple characters at the same time in the DA keep even for DAI the Orlesian warden does not exist and is never mentioned.

The Mother in DAA has to die it's mandatory and someone have to kill her and since the Orlesian does not exist for the keep it has to be the HoF even if it is dead.

 

 

Your other grievances were answered, so I will take this one.

There are a few reasons why Anora would support the mages. If nothing else, it could be a shrewd play at gaining powerful allies for Ferelden's benefit. Mages can equate to revenue, cheap and effective labor, or a military deterrent. If the Ferelden Circle was annulled, then Ferelden would need more mages anyway.

If the Circle was saved, then Anora would rightly believe that mages should be helped, just as they helped Ferelden end the Fifth Blight.

 

This means nothing the mages are not mandatory to recruit in DAO and certainly i never remembered Anora to care for mages or to have a desire to go against the chantry law for their benefit even in DAA she showed this attitude since if it wasn't  for the warden she would have gladly sent Anders with the templars.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

So it isn't that Anora was out of character, it's that you didn't think about any of her possible motives for helping the mages.

Those are just  headcanons you made for yourself and then pretend to make them into factual explanations.

Anora don't know anything about the veil she isn't a mage she don't care for them and oh surprise even templars can help to seal the breach...mages are not even necessary for that.

[myahele]

I just want dead characters to remain dead.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I just want dead characters to remain dead.

Denied.

I expect Flemeth to resurrect again.

[Akiza]

Be careful what you wish for. Some amount of inconsistency is to be expected. Insuring there are none at all would either mean offering fewer choices to players, or, much longer development times until we see the next installment.

I do think some of these are bugs while others inconsistency but the story as to be one and the same regardless of what you did so...it is to be expected

[Jedi Master of Orion]

 

The Orlesian warden does not exist and cannot be imported in the DA keep.

You can't import the avatar  of this character because you cant load multiple characters at the same time in the DA keep even for DAI the Orlesian warden does not exist and is never mentioned.

The Mother in DAA has to die it's mandatory and someone have to kill her and since the Orlesian does not exist for the keep it has to be the HoF even if it is dead.

 

 

 

This means nothing the mages are not mandatory to recruit in DAO and certainly i never remembered Anora to care for mages or to have a desire to go against the chantry law for their benefit even in DAA she showed this attitude since if it wasn't  for the warden she would have gladly sent Anders with the templars.

 

 

If the Warden dies making the Ultimate Sacrifice, then the Orlesian Warden kills the Mother. Even if you can't import him in the game, that is canonically what happens as of DA 2.