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[Toasted Llama]

The Orlesian warden does not exist is not even an option in the DA keep which mean that they never met the Architect.

 

 

Just because there is no specific tab for the Orleisian Warden in the keep does not mean they do not exist.

 

If you choose to have your Warden die at the end of DA:O that event happens and your Warden stays dead permanently. If you choose to have them do the events of DA:A then that is your own decision to un-do your choice to have your Warden die. This has nothing to do with Bioware resurrecting characters and everything to do with people being incredibly stupid.

[Dai Grepher]

The Orlesian warden does not exist and cannot be imported in the DA keep.
You can't import the avatar  of this character because you cant load multiple characters at the same time in the DA keep even for DAI the Orlesian warden does not exist and is never mentioned.
The Mother in DAA has to die it's mandatory and someone have to kill her and since the Orlesian does not exist for the keep it has to be the HoF even if it is dead.

Yet Inquisition's default worldstate has an UltSac Dalish Warden.

The Orlesian Warden exists, it just isn't accounted for in Keep.
 

This means nothing the mages are not mandatory to recruit in DAO

Which is why I wrote that the alternative would also lead to mages being accepted in, since the Circle was annulled in that case.
 

and certainly i never remembered Anora to care for mages or to have a desire to go against the chantry law for their benefit

I wrote that she would care about benefiting Ferelden with magical power.
 

even in DAA she showed this attitude since if it wasn't  for the warden she would have gladly sent Anders with the templars.

The monarchs have no control over a templar's sacred duties. Anora had no choice but to let Anders be taken into custody, but she did care enough to drop the hint that the Warden-Commander could affect the situation, and she can correctly point out that the Wardens have the Right of Conscription.
 

Those are just  headcanons you made for yourself and then pretend to make them into factual explanations.

No, the one I clearly identified as headcanon was headcanon. The other reasons are canon possibilities. All are factually based possibilities.
 

Anora don't know anything about the veil she isn't a mage

But my Hero King does know about the Veil, so there.
 

she don't care for them

How do you know? Is Anora your character or BioWare's? They can define her motives and concerns however they wish. So why is she in your list of supposedly ignored choices? Your opinion that she was OoC has nothing to do with any choices you made.
 

and oh surprise even templars can help to seal the breach...mages are not even necessary for that.

That has nothing to do with anything. The fact is that mages can too, and my Hero suspected they would be needed if the Veil fell entirely. So his advice to Anora would still apply to the situation.

[Aren]

If the Warden dies making the Ultimate Sacrifice, then the Orlesian Warden kills the Mother. Even if you can't import him in the game, that is canonically what happens as of DA 2.

You cannot import the choices of the HoF if you use the Orlesian warden this was true for DAA,DA2 and even for DAI since the keep allow only one avatar and one character to be loaded.If in the Keep an US warden is imported you cannot import even another character with another name which is  the Orlesian warden.

[Aren]

Just because there is no specific tab for the Orleisian Warden in the keep does not mean they do not exist.

 

If you choose to have your Warden die at the end of DA:O that event happens and your Warden stays dead permanently. If you choose to have them do the events of DA:A then that is your own decision to un-do your choice to have your Warden die. This has nothing to do with Bioware resurrecting characters and everything to do with people being incredibly stupid.

First don't make guesses for what decisions a player did because you can only be wrong and in fact you are wrong since i have only one world-state with the Redemption ending and i was talking in general.

 

If the US is committed and  the warden is resurrected the world in DAA is set in Ultimate sacrifice correctly.

The Orlesian warden is not mentioned in DAI is not present in the DA keep and cannot be created with the choices made by the HoF in DAA which means that DAA cannot be played with an Orlesian warden outside of the standard worldstate unless you use the console commands on the PC version so you seem to be not   even aware that the Orlesian warden in DAA retcon numerous choices of the US warden..

People are incredibly stupid because Bioware tend to mess with their own world?Ok....

 

 

 

Yet Inquisition's default worldstate has an UltSac Dalish Warden.

The Orlesian Warden exists, it just isn't accounted for in Keep.
 
 

Which is what i said.

Every  US world-state that differ  from Bioware default US cannot be imported if not played by an HoF that's why Bioware allowed the resurrection of the warden because players could have not imported their choices in both DAA and DAII unless they were using the console commands or they were using that specific set of choices made by Bioware and even in the DA keep the Orlesian warden is not present nor it is mentioned in DAI.

[Akiza]

 

If the US is commited and  the warden is resurrected the world is set in Ultimate sacrifice correctly and the old god is dead while the warden is used even for DAA.THe Orlesian warden is not menitoned in DAI is not present in the DA keep and cannot be created with the choices made by the HoF in DAA(cannot be created with the choices made by the HoF) and people are incredibly stupid because Bioware tend to mess with their own world ok....

 

I recall at the time developers said that they couldn't allow the creation of the Orlesian Warden and permit to import choices in DAA for technical constraints this is true even  for the keep which do not allow two characters for DAO to be present at the same time for the import.

[German Soldier]

 

 

 

 

Which is what i said.

Every  US world-state that differ  from Bioware default US cannot be imported if not played by an HoF that's why Bioware allowed the resurrection of the warden because players could have not imported their choices in both DAA and DAII unless they were using the console commands or they were using that specific set of choices made by Bioware and even in the DA keep the Orlesian warden is not present nor it is mentioned in DAI.

 

I would like to add that the Orlesian warden is not even  involved in searching the cure for the calling despite the fact that the player can in fact play WH with them which means that it's like if they never went to search Morrigan which is only logical since they don't even know her.

Bioware as to be extremely careful with the poeple they "kill" allow the HoF to die  when they intended to release an expansion was imho madness.

[Lunatica]

No? They didn't? If your HoF dies in DA:O, you should get the Orleisian Warden in DA:A, if you get your HoF again that's a bug.

It's precisely the opposite.

 

The Orlesian warden in DAA creates plenty of bugs in the sense of choices not being respected the player has no other choice but to resurrect the warden in the expansion because one single retcon  is preferable to numerous altered variables.

 

Spoiler

You are stuck with Alistair king

Dalish female HoF

Loghain is dead even if you did not killed him

Anora is not Queen even if you made her the Queen.

Harrowmont is king even if you picked Bhelen

Zathrian is the keeper..

ecc...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You cannot import the choices of the HoF if you use the Orlesian warden this was true for DAA,DA2 and even for DAI since the keep allow only one avatar and one character to be loaded.If in the Keep an US warden is imported you cannot import even another character with another name which is  the Orlesian warden.

 

No you can't import your choices. But if you import a dead HoF into Awakening and then import that save into DA 2, then the game treats it as if the Hero of Ferelden perished in the Battle of Denerim and an Orlesian Warden Commander did everything you did in Awakening. 

[Dai Grepher]

If the US is committed and  the warden is resurrected the world in DAA is set in Ultimate sacrifice correctly.

BioWare doesn't consider that situation possible going forward. I think BioWare assumes that any Awakening choices made by an imported UltSac Hero are to be attributed to an Orlesian Warden-Commander. Same with GoA and WH (with the exception of going with Morrigan, which if selectable in Keep then BioWare determines you shouldn't have picked that). Yes DA:I might still probably reference an UltSac Hero as if alive in some cases, but this would be poor planning and lazy programing.

The Orlesian warden is not mentioned in DAI is not present in the DA keep and cannot be created with the choices made by the HoF in DAA which means that DAA cannot be played with an Orlesian warden outside of the standard worldstate unless you use the console commands on the PC version so you seem to be not   even aware that the Orlesian warden in DAA retcon numerous choices of the US warden..

I think we all know that, we're just saying that this doesn't matter to BioWare. They consider DA:A choices made in an UltSac worldstate to have been chosen by the Orlesian Warden, regardless of the fact that the game itself doesn't allow you to import an UltSac worldstate.

Meaning, you can play Awakening and the DLCs with an Orlesian Warden and just pretend you're in your UltSac Hero's worldstate, and then select your Orlesian WC's choices in the Keep.

Every  US world-state that differ  from Bioware default US cannot be imported if not played by an HoF

Yeah, however... No worldstate can be imported into Keep. Everything is manually selected by the player. So it is theoretically possible to have an UltSac ending for the HoF and then select the Awakening choices. BioWare would then attribute those Awakening choices to the Orlesian WC in spite of the fact that Awakening doesn't allow an import of an UltSac worldstate and choices.

that's why Bioware allowed the resurrection of the warden because players could have not imported their choices in both DAA and DAII unless they were using the console commands or they were using that specific set of choices made by Bioware

BioWare didn't resurrect the UltSac Hero. They just let you import the dead Hero non-canonically if you wanted to because at the time, they didn't care. Gaider is known to have said, "If you don't care how your Hero survived, neither do we", or something to that effect. Since then BioWare has outright said that any Hero who made the Ultimate Sacrifice died in Origins and remains dead. Any choices made in Awakening following an UltSac are attributed to the Orlesian.

So if you played Awakening and the DLCs as an UltSac Hero, that was actually the Orlesian, according to BioWare. If you played Awakening and the DLCs as the Orlesian, then those choices can follow an UltSac Hero in the Keep, according to BioWare.

and even in the DA keep the Orlesian warden is not present nor it is mentioned in DAI.

That the Orlesian is not mentioned in DA:I or the Keep means nothing. No one in DA:I met the Orlesian except for Morrigan, and she didn't know him/her. So obviously she wouldn't care to think of the Orlesian during the events of DA:I.

And BioWare cares little even for the Hero of Ferelden, so it's no surprise that they care even less about his understudy.

I recall at the time developers said that they couldn't allow the creation of the Orlesian Warden and permit to import choices in DAA for technical constraints this is true even  for the keep which do not allow two characters for DAO to be present at the same time for the import.

BioWare seems to use that excuse a lot. Couldn't put horns on qunari because of game constraints, even though Desire Demons have horns and even some qunari wear helmets with horns on them. Couldn't put a lyrium brand on tranquil NPCs because of game constraints, even though PCs and most Dalish NPCs have face paint.

They could have easily allowed for an UltSac worldstate import by allowing us to import the final save of the UltSac Hero from Origins, just as it does now. Then all they would need to do is allow the player to select the Orlesian option in the character selection. From there we would go into the character creator and be able to change the model's sex, race, class, and appearance. Simple.

But this is more of a rant against BioWare's laziness, not a disagreement with your post. You can ignore this if you want.

I would like to add that the Orlesian warden is not even  involved in searching the cure for the calling despite the fact that the player can in fact play WH with them which means that it's like if they never went to search Morrigan which is only logical since they don't even know her.

Any proof of that claim? The Orlesian doesn't need to know Morrigan in order to search for her.

[KaiserShep]

Anora just wasn't that substantial a character in DA:O, I felt. How was she out of character? I don't recall her ever mentioning mages and such in that game. Maybe external material (he asks as if it matters)?

[AlanC9]

BioWare seems to use that excuse a lot. Couldn't put horns on qunari because of game constraints, even though Desire Demons have horns and even some qunari wear helmets with horns on them.

Of course, having a single desire demon head and a couple of qunari heads doesn't have much to do with making every helmet in the game work with horns.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

No you can't import your choices. But if you import a dead HoF into Awakening and then import that save into DA 2, then the game treats it as if the Hero of Ferelden perished in the Battle of Denerim and an Orlesian Warden Commander did everything you did in Awakening. 

This doesn't make sense

-If I did DAA with the HoF why the import assume Orlesian warden?

-On the other hand if i play DAA with an Orlesian warden why the game override the choices?

 

It a non win situation.

[German Soldier]

Any proof of that claim? The Orlesian doesn't need to know Morrigan in order to search for her.

1)The Orlesian warden doesn't even know who Morrigan is and have no reason to search her.

2)The quest to cure the calling is not triggered for the Orlesian warden in DAI.

[Zero]

 

1)The Orlesian warden doesn't even know who Morrigan is and have no reason to search her.

 

 

Have you read the Orlesian Warden codex entry? S/he search Morrigan because the First Warden in Weishaupt want to know more about Morrigan and her role in the Fifth Blight and offered the promise of a considerable support to the Fereldan Grey Wardens if the Warden Commander provide the answers he was looking for.

 

http://dragonage.wik...The_Grey_Warden

[German Soldier]

Have you read the Orlesian Warden codex entry? S/he search Morrigan because the First Warden in Weishaupt want to know more about Morrigan and her role in the Fight Blight and offered the promise of a considerable support to the Fereldan Grey Wardens if the Warden Commander provide the answers he was looking for.

 

http://dragonage.wik...The_Grey_Warden

I never read those infos.

But why the first warden was interested in the witches of the wilds?

It seem to be something that Bioware put there to try to justify this quest for the Orlesian warden yet still the quest to cure the calling is not triggered.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Have you read the Orlesian Warden codex entry? S/he search Morrigan because the First Warden in Weishaupt want to know more about Morrigan and her role in the Fifth Blight and offered the promise of a considerable support to the Fereldan Grey Wardens if the Warden Commander provide the answers he was looking for.

 

http://dragonage.wik...The_Grey_Warden

Lol i did not know that!

The page said that there is a bounty on Morrigan's head!Tell to the first warden that I accept the job!

[German Soldier]

Lol i did not know that!

The page said that there is a bounty on Morrigan's head!Tell to the first warden that I accept the job!

I was unaware of those informations so kudos to @Zero for the link.

 

However i must admit that i did not know that there are so many people who want Morrigan's head and i'm not talking about the templars because they aren't the only group there are also the soldiers of the crown,the wardens of Weisshaupt and even the  Dalish....how many enemies..

It's  like if the first warden suspect something about the Dark ritual if he wanted at any cost to track her down and even eliminate her.

[Akiza]

My warden liked Garevel now i discovered that we share the same passion the Witch hunt! I found  my ideal LI too bad he cannot be a romance.

How much is this bounty!?I expect no less than a bag full of gold for the job It's always good to conciliate passion and money.

[Dai Grepher]

Of course, having a single desire demon head and a couple of qunari heads doesn't have much to do with making every helmet in the game work with horns.

I'm not referring to Sten. I'm referring to the near dozen qunari we see in Origins. NPCs.

And really, if they wanted Sten to have horns, couldn't they have just let the horns clip through each piece of headgear wherever it needed to? I mean it couldn't be any more of a stretch than the same set of armor changing shape to fit both genders.

2)The quest to cure the calling is not triggered for the Orlesian warden in DAI.

The Orlesian still finds the book of great interest Morrigan left. That had the information about the cure.

However i must admit that i did not know that there are so many people who want Morrigan's head and i'm not talking about the templars because they aren't the only group there are also the soldiers of the crown,the wardens of Weisshaupt and even the  Dalish....how many enemies..

And yet the Orlesian lets her go anyway for some strange reason.

It's  like if the first warden suspect something about the Dark ritual if he wanted at any cost to track her down and even eliminate her.

Which he is only told about if the Hero dies, not if he lives. Odd. So who told?

[GoldenGail3]

But my Hero King does know about the Veil, so there.
 

That's a dumb thing for your Cousland not know.... 

[Dai Grepher]

That's a dumb thing for your Cousland not know....

Um... did you mean "to" know? He does know it, and that's because of what he had read about it while at the Circle, his experiences with it in various parts of the game (Soldier's Peak, Bricillian Forest, Blackmarsh), and because of what was said hinting at a change coming to the world.

[GoldenGail3]

Um... did you mean "to" know? He does know it, and that's because of what he had read about it while at the Circle, his experiences with it in various parts of the game (Soldier's Peak, Bricillian Forest, Blackmarsh), and because of what was said hinting at a change coming to the world.

Sorry, my computer is glichy and weird. I tend to misread things due to it.