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[HikariWS]

I'm post here a reply to https://forum.biowar...am-or-hang-him/ because I have no permissions to post at Story forum.
 

Nathaniel didn't kill anyone at Vigil's Keep. He simply gave one of the Wardens a black eye.

I'd suggest recruiting him. He isn't his father and wasn't even in Ferelden when Howe betrayed the Couslands, so he had nothing to do with either Rendon Howe or Loghain.

The only question here is: Do you believe a son should suffer for his father's crimes?

It's ingenuity think that Nathaniel was innocent on what happened and Highever. What Loghain and Rendon did wasn't by impulse, they planned the thing. When Loghain saw that he'd not persuade Cailain into his desires, he decided to betray and kill him. And he knew Rendon would aid and side him.

Rendon fought at Cousland's sides, and Cousland had Rendon as a friend, but Rendon never accepted to be a Cousland vassal. For years he hated all the Couslands. Loghain provided him the opportunity he needed. Rendon wanted to be the arl of the land he owned, of Highever, of Denerin, of anywhere Loghain would give him.

Then, do you think all the Howe didn't share his believes? Don't you think he raised his sons to think the same way?

Also, it's common that somebody knows something bad is gonna happen, even orders it to happen, and goes far from the place to later claim he had nothing to do with it. It's clear Rendon sent his sons far away to assure they'd not be around, to not risk having them killed during the invasion and also, if the plan went wrong, to not have them involved and guiltied of the crime.

I agree that some times we accept a companion or conscript somebody based on metagaming. Loghain conscription we can say it was a strategy to later have him killed from the archdemon. But Nathaniel, Zevran and Morrigan - in case we follow the line of not trusting her, not accepting apostades, and wanting to kill her at Witch Hunt - is just for metagaming. Untrustful people would better get killed in the first opportunity, if we're not sure they won't betray us later.

[Beerfish]

The idiotic comes to kill me becasue his traitorous paw got what was coming to him. I think I recruited him in one game only ever.  Whomever wrote him did an awful awful job of giving nay reasonable player a single reason to include him in the group, much like Zevran before him.

[Aren]

Whenever an npc "die" offscreen you can reasonably expect Bioware to bring them back with some handwave not the case of this npc however.

[capn233]

I only played Awakenings once (albeit recently), but I recruited him.  This was even as a Cousland.  Trial by Joining I guess.

 

Also just flogged the one peasant who stole, so I must be merciful.

[VivainaDX]

I recruit him, he's actually not to bad once he settles in and his approval goes up. I liked him anyway.

[Melbella]

Unless Rendon was planning on killing the Couslands for the past 10 years, no, Nate had nothing to do with it and knew nothing about it. He was a teenager when he was sent to the Free Marches and had been there for years. I always recruit him, and always bring him with me in the final battle so he shows up properly in DA2. He's a good character.

[Deadly dwarf]

As a Warden, you frequently recruit from the bottom of the barrel.  Remember Duncan's less than noble background....he was recruited after actually killing a Warden!  In Nathaniel's case, I would say if you're anyone other than a Cousland, you recruit him.  If you're a Cousland, it depends on how vengeful you want to be.  One can argue that killing Rendon is enough.  He is the man who made the decision to massacre the Couslands.  One can also have a Cousland who carries a grudge...

[Melbella]

I have a head-canon Queen Cousland who carries a torch instead of a grudge....

[VivainaDX]

I have a head-canon Queen Cousland who carries a torch instead of a grudge....

I really wish there had been a romance option for Nathaniel, once you get on his good side he's kinda hot.  

[Tidus]

I recruit him and use him until my normal team is gather. -2 Elves and 2 Dwarves.

[Illegitimus]

I'm post here a reply to https://forum.biowar...am-or-hang-him/ because I have no permissions to post at Story forum.
 

It's ingenuity think that Nathaniel was innocent on what happened and Highever. What Loghain and Rendon did wasn't by impulse, they planned the thing. When Loghain saw that he'd not persuade Cailain into his desires, he decided to betray and kill him. And he knew Rendon would aid and side him.

Rendon fought at Cousland's sides, and Cousland had Rendon as a friend, but Rendon never accepted to be a Cousland vassal. For years he hated all the Couslands. Loghain provided him the opportunity he needed. Rendon wanted to be the arl of the land he owned, of Highever, of Denerin, of anywhere Loghain would give him.

Then, do you think all the Howe didn't share his believes? Don't you think he raised his sons to think the same way?

Also, it's common that somebody knows something bad is gonna happen, even orders it to happen, and goes far from the place to later claim he had nothing to do with it. It's clear Rendon sent his sons far away to assure they'd not be around, to not risk having them killed during the invasion and also, if the plan went wrong, to not have them involved and guiltied of the crime.

 

That is indeed clear.  Which means that Howe really had no reason to tell Nathaniel know what he had in mind.  So at this point I have three options.  I can execute a man for a crime he had no part of, I can let him go and hope he never comes back to take his vengeance and catches me off guard, or I can recruit him and watch him carefully.  

[HikariWS]

The idiotic comes to kill me becasue his traitorous paw got what was coming to him. I think I recruited him in one game only ever.  Whomever wrote him did an awful awful job of giving nay reasonable player a single reason to include him in the group, much like Zevran before him.

Indeed, if the Warden keeps recruiting people like Zevran, Logain and Nathaniel, he'll soon end up with a trojan horse. 
 

As a Warden, you frequently recruit from the bottom of the barrel.  Remember Duncan's less than noble background....he was recruited after actually killing a Warden!  In Nathaniel's case, I would say if you're anyone other than a Cousland, you recruit him.  If you're a Cousland, it depends on how vengeful you want to be.  One can argue that killing Rendon is enough.  He is the man who made the decision to massacre the Couslands.  One can also have a Cousland who carries a grudge...

In fact, my rogue is a Cousland and we've been having conversations exclusive for that background. So, even as a Cousland we have (metagame) reasons to not kill him.
 
 

That is indeed clear.  Which means that Howe really had no reason to tell Nathaniel know what he had in mind.  So at this point I have three options.  I can execute a man for a crime he had no part of, I can let him go and hope he never comes back to take his vengeance and catches me off guard, or I can recruit him and watch him carefully.

Playing further we met his sister and it seems indeed that he wasn't aware of anything. Well Couslands and Howes killed each other, at least we can say they created an ending for that anger by making these guys friends.

[Inkvisiittori]

His attitude of blaming others for his family's misfortune and his fathers mistakes annoyed me. My Warden considered letting him hang, but in the end he is too useful as a companion and adds something to the game... Doesn't mean I like him much though. The antagonist relationship between him and Surana was highly amusing at times.

[Hrulj]

I always hang him. I hate thieves and assasins, and I have no patience for sons of traitors seeking revenge. In awakening U am usually very severe and by the book. If you end up in front of me for trial its very likely you will end up dead

[Catilina]

I always recruited him; even with my Cousland PC. Aedan also was not pure innocent, he wanted to give Nathaniel a chance, just like Loghain before. And remember: Nathaniel can not be blamed for the massacre of Couslands. When he came home, he was confused and desperate. He became ourlaw, and lost his family, lost everything, what he had before. His reaction was completely understandable. I saw no reason to execute him. And eventually become a Grey Warden is not so funny.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Recruit him. The Wardens needs all the men they can get. Also the Warden says it best:

"All my friends have tried to kill me".

 

The idiotic comes to kill me becasue his traitorous paw got what was coming to him. I think I recruited him in one game only ever.  Whomever wrote him did an awful awful job of giving nay reasonable player a single reason to include him in the group, much like Zevran before him.

 

Or the person that wrote him knew exactly what they were doing.

 

They wanted some people to think he's a complete ******* or traitor-in-waiting (like Zevran could be) so you would get rid of him. Only to later realize you're one rogue short and those chests aren't opening unless you run the hill for Sigrun. Plus he's the best DPS in Awakening if you spec him right.

 

Not every character is written to be a instant suck up to the glorious super cool awesome main character.