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Without lie

How many times did you picked answers just to get the approval of a companions?

How many times you let Zevran join your team just to get a new companion?

How many times did you let Morrigan drank from the well just because you liked her character?*

How many times did you pretended to be interested in Solas hobbies just to get his approval?



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Without lie
How many times did you picked answers just to get the approval of a companions?


I didn't; I do what's in-character. My Surana Warden was Libertarian, he made his disdain of the Circle quite clear to Wynne; explained it was an "oppressive place" when she tried to convince him to go back.

He also told Leliana he thought Andraste was simply a woman and not touched by any god, and possibly a liar.

My Lavellan, Revas, didn't; he made his dedication to his people clear, and didn't acquiesce to following the Maker (despite what Giselle and Cassandra say).

Cassandra hated him. Vivienne hated him. Sera hated him. Honestly, I think he was only friends with Varric and Dorian.

How many times you let Zevran join your team just to get a new companion?


It was the Blight; my Surana Warden didn't turn down help. He even tried conscripting the bandits on the highway, then killed them afterwards (they were a threat and wouldn't submit to his attempted Right).

How many times did you drank from the well Morrigan just because you liked the character?


Revas drank from the Well. It was his heritage.

How many times did you pretended to be interested in Solas hobbies just to get his approval?


Solas and Lavellan strongly disagreed about the Dalish and Andrastian elves, but oddly enough they did agree on spirits and blood magic (Solas' views were reminiscent of the perspective held by Merill).
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1)never unless it was Solas

2) i always recruited Zevran

3)Drink form the well is a right of the elves not of Morrigan.

4)My interest in Solas and his activities  is genuine.



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1 While I have done this, I'll never accept something that is too outlandish for my chosen roleplay.

2 Just to get a new companion? Never. I might pick him to "collect them all" as it were, but most of the time I play with the same crew and one rogue won't make a difference. I didn't use either rogue during DAO, anyway. My reason for recruiting him is "we need all the help we can get."

3 Never just because I like her (I don't). The choice I make is more about not wanting to drink myself rather than giving it to Morrigan.

4 Never. If I find something interesting, I will say so. I've gotten disapproval from him on a few occasions for not going along with his views of magic or the Fade.


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You have an admirable knack for click-baity post titles.

But really, those are the best examples you can come up with?

How about banishing the Wardens, but not Blackwall (before you know he's a fraud)? You don't even have to romance him.

How about telling Cullen to kick his lyrium habit, while loading up the mages in your party with all the lyrium potions they can carry? Not to mention Ser Barrister in CoJ?

How about romancing Sera while sucking up to the noble in Verchiel?

The list goes on and on ...
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^ I don't think the Cullen one is fair. He wants to go off lyrium and is struggling in his effort. As far as my Inquisitor is concerned, any mage or templar that wants nothing to do with lyrium has his full support. After all, it's one of the deciding factors against his taking the templar spec.

 

For Blackwall, you could very well say that he wasn't involved with all of that idiocy, so he is exempted. He has been working with the Inquisition admirably up to that point. You're not banishing the Wardens solely because they are Wardens, you are banishing them because of what they did, which Blackwall had no part in.


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1 While I have done this, I'll never accept something that is too outlandish for my chosen roleplay.

 

I don't think you will be a good manipulator,it does not matter if you believe in what you said what is important  is that you allow other people to believe it

so pump their ego to gain their trust.



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I don't think you will be a good manipulator,it does not matter if you believe in what you said what is important  is that you allow other people to believe it

so pump their ego to gain their trust.

 

That's fine with me.



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I didn't; I do what's in-character. My Surana Warden was Libertarian, he made his disdain of the Circle quite clear to Wynne; explained it was an "oppressive place" when she tried to convince him to go back.

He also told Leliana he thought Andraste was simply a woman and not touched by any god, and possibly a liar.

My Lavellan, Revas, didn't; he made his dedication to his people clear, and didn't acquiesce to following the Maker (despite what Giselle and Cassandra say).

Cassandra hated him. Vivienne hated him. Sera hated him. Honestly, I think he was only friends with Varric and Dorian.


It was the Blight; my Surana Warden didn't turn down help. He even tried conscripting the bandits on the highway, then killed them afterwards (they were a threat and wouldn't submit to his attempted Right).


Revas drank from the Well. It was his heritage.


Solas and Lavellan strongly disagreed about the Dalish and Andrastian elves, but oddly enough they did agree on spirits and blood magic (Solas' views were reminiscent of the perspective held by Merill).

 

 

I bet you killed Loghain.



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What's wrong with telling people what they like to hear?
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How many times you let Zevran join your team just to get a new companion?

 

I ALWAYS let Zevran join my team because my wardens want to romance him (even if they later romance and stay with Alistair, they always stay best friends with Zevran).  :)


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1. Probably a few times, but I much more enjoy riling my companions up. Disapproval scenes are funny. 

2. As to pad my collection, never. As to be able to pick between rogues/love interests, multiple times. 

3. I dislike Morrigan, so she usually gets the sip sip. If I could I would toss her into that pool. So never for her benefit. 

4. Hardly ever. It's so much more fun to disagree with him and get him angry. 

 

So in these cases, hardly ever. But there have been multiple cases of the game making me hypocrite. Just not the ones in the OP. 



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What's wrong with telling people what they like to hear?

Sometime may wrong. If the information is inadequate or misleading, in turn would be important.



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I bet you killed Loghain.

 

My Surana Warden recruited him into the Wardens. He did kill the Messenger and the Architect, however (it fit the character).



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What's wrong with telling people what they like to hear?

 

The way this is worded...

 

I don't think you will be a good manipulator,it does not matter if you believe in what you said what is important  is that you allow other people to believe it

so pump their ego to gain their trust.

 

... has a malicious bent to it. "Pump[ing] their ego to gain their trust" is not honest.

 

To give you an indication of my mentality, even though he is Andrastian, my Inquisitor rejects the Herald of Andraste title. On the Battlements, when Blackwall says that the "truth doesn't matter," and talks about how the inspiration (to do and be good) is what matters, my Inquisitor rankles at that. The truth matters to him (I wish I could respond this way) and pretending to be something his is not just isn't a part of who he is.

 

I'm not above telling a white lie, like saying I liked someone's gift or whatever, but I look at that as wholly different.


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I've bullshitted dialog options before to keep my companions liking me, but not so much the ones you mentioned. I let Zevran join me because I like doing the "redemption arcs" with characters, and I usually play my characters to the angle that they believe most people are redeemable. I will usually always take the "second chances" options with everyone. My character was interested in Solas's perspective on the Fade and it was easy for me to pick options with him that fit with my character ideal and still get approval. In Origins and DA2, I faked out on my replies a lot more than Inquisition. I found in Inquisition it was easy enough to ****** people off and still ultimately get their approval up in other ways that didn't require being a hypocrite, or even meta-gaming and taking them only on missions you knew they'd approve of. I made Cassanda and Vivienne mad so many times, but still got them to like me without really making any effort to do so. It seems like approval is basically meaningless in Inquisition, in my experience. Vivienne got mad at me and rearranged my furniture early on, but without even taking her out much and definitely without supporting the circle, she still gave me her quest and said she was wrong about me. It's probably the war table functions that did it.

 

I let Morrigan drink from the well because I wasn't willing to risk my own free will. If she wanted to do that, I figured let her. At best, she'd be useful. At worst, she'd go crazy and I'd still be of functioning mind to put her down. I wasn't going to risk losing my mind and the only tool we knew could probably fix the breach, though. The well was too dangerous to risk for the Inquisitor, imo. I played an elf and I totally get the argument that an elf is more entitled to drink from the well, but I saw it as a mistake of hubris to believe the risk made it worthwhile. Morrigan says she wants to take the risk and she seems to know at least marginally more about the well than the Inquisitor, so that seemed like the most logical decision to make when one isn't falling back on thirst for power and unreasonable pride in one's possible elven heritage. So, I didn't see letting Morrigan drink as being because I liked her, but because my Inquisitor didn't know her well enough to not see her as the more expendable option.


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Honestly only time I can think of was breaking Blackwall out of jail each and every time with my Inquisitors.  Though I suppose that was more hypocritical in Ben's case and not so much in Kara's. 



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I remember that just after Here Lies the Abyss, I agreed with Cassandra that what happened should not be forgotten. It should recorded to preserve truth.
...then I agreed with Dorian that maybe fudge and/or omit parts pertaining to the fade. It would be too easy to unintentionally inspire people to comepletly the same feat, or so the reasoning went. Let them speculate, he said.

Yeah...that was a bit hypocritical.
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What's wrong with telling people what they like to hear?

That it may came across just as a form of flattering or manipulation rather than your true opinions. 

 

I dislike the approval systems of DAO unless you told to companions what they wanted to hear you got only disapproval  points even when what you said made more sense than their thoughts.


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What's wrong with telling people what they like to hear?

 

It's called hypocrisy.

Grown up people can have his own opinion instead of agreeing in one moment that the circle sucks to please Vivienne and then run to Solas to tell him that mages deserve freedom.

You just answered the question of the post darling.



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It's called hypocrisy.

Grown up people can have his own opinion instead of agreeing in one moment that the circle sucks to please Vivienne and then run to Solas to tell him that mages deserve freedom.

You just answered the question of the post darling.

Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another.  Which granted you just demonstrated you know in this post, but in the OP most of the situations you brought up aren't...by themselves...hypocrisy. 



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It's called hypocrisy.

Grown up people can have his own opinion instead of agreeing in one moment that the circle sucks to please Vivienne and then run to Solas to tell him that mages deserve freedom.

You just answered the question of the post darling.

 

I've NEVER told Viv what she wanted to hear unless it was what I believed. But Viv and I rarely agreed on anything. 


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Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another.  Which granted you just demonstrated you know in this post, but in the OP most of the situations you brought up aren't...by themselves...hypocrisy. 

 

You think to be an hypocrite you need to do an action?

 

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It's called hypocrisy.
Grown up people can have his own opinion instead of agreeing in one moment that the circle sucks to please Vivienne and then run to Solas to tell him that mages deserve freedom.
You just answered the question of the post darling.


But it's not hypocritical if I believe in lying to people to get them to like me. I'd be entirely consistent in my belief. Games make it hard to be subtle about this in the way approval mechanics work but it's not hypocritical.
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