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[tsd16]

Mercuriol wrote...

Unplayable? I mean theres like 10 shapes in total and you need to find pairs of two. =/

QFT!

I cannot believe the people crying over the elementary mini games.  I am not a super genius or master of coordination by any stretch.  These games are simple observation and memory that you could do as a learning exercise with a child.

[waffles pwn]

Demesis85 wrote...

It's actually not that difficult really. I didn't even need the upgrade for it. The trick is to do one symbol at a time. Don't try to memorize all the symbol's location unless you have photographic memory or you will certainly start getting confused. Instead, memorize one and search for the other same one. Keep doing this until you've solved all. As long as you're not dilly dallying looking for it, you should have more than enough time.

this. and what i do is look for ones that are close together to start, there is usually one set close and now way should you try to memorize all at once! one at a time. the only time that i ran out of time or failed any of the mini-games was in the beggining, just need to know the little tricks to them and then they get easy.

[kusvuari]

Opps

Modifié par kusvuari, 07 février 2010 - 10:42 .

[ryder500]

Honestly, I've watched a few mass effect 2 lets plays and some people are just dumb. It really isn't that hard. Just do one at a time, it really isn't hard at all. You have ample time to do it, if you can't do it the time provided you must be quite slow and probably shouldn't be playing the game in the first place since you won't be able to comprehend it.

[D4zed_Confused]

I've just finished playing the first game (me1) having bought both on steam about a fortnight ago. I was well impressed with the story & implementation of the first (despite the interface not gelling easily with a hardwired fps bod like myself), but the second doesn't even make a basic acknowledgement of you changing the keys to suit yourself. The games default keys are shown in the help cues for the first section, and the minigames for security hacking are largely unexplained. I worked out very quickly that it was a matching game, but even when matching the symbols, it is not allowing progress. It just locks me out of the minigame saying I failed. Am I supposed to match the symbols in a particular order? How do I indicate I am making a guess at a match? It just shows the symbol & proceeds to say I failed. S**t idea not to provide an omnigel shortcut/buyout to allow you to progress if you decide you are bored with the minigames & just want to crack on with the story.

If anyone has any tips on this, I'm willing to listen.  And that means constructive suggestions, or helpful advice, not school playground taunting.  I had enough of that s**t at school.  If I am missing the point, it would be more helpful to post a useful answer than to brag about how smart you think you are, & how dumb I must be.

Thanks in advance.

Modifié par D4zed_Confused, 13 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[BobbyTheI]

Yeah, somebody had a similar idea earlier in the thread, but I had real problems with this until I gave all the symbols nicknames.  Four of them sorta look like letters (C, H, Y, and an upside-down T, off the top of my head without the game open, might have one wrong) and the fifth sorta looked like a battery to me.  So I just move my mouse over the symbols and repeat them to myself, like "C... C, T.... C, T, Battery) until I see two that match and click them.  After you get that going, the only real hard part is getting used to the mouse's speed being kinda fast (on PC, natch).  I've got it pretty much down so I never miss.

So nicknames and practice are my two suggestions.

Modifié par BobbyTheI, 13 février 2010 - 11:24 .

[Skyblade012]

Teivel wrote...

I don't suppose you guys forgot to get the upgrade that doubles the alloable time for the minigames...If you're in trouble i guess it would go some way towards helping. Predictive Display for hacking and i can't remember the name for bypassing.

You mean the one that you can't purchase until you reach Illium?  By which time the game is either trivial to you, or it has locked you out of proceeding on Horizon and a couple of other places.

The hack one is availible when you reach Omega, but the Bypass one should be availible sooner.

However, even with that module, there is the problem of only having two seconds after you click the first node to click the second one, so if you are slow or imprecise with your mouse controls, you still can't do it, even with more time overall.

I didn't mind it and have gotten to be quite good at it (I don't even usually check the icons anymore, you can tell which one connects where by looking at the circuits on the board), but I can definitely understand the frustration.  They need some sort of omni-gel type option, at least for the required ones.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

You guys have some serious memory issues, this is what happens when you're playing too many videogames instead of basic memory exercises and studying habits.

[flem1]

I sort of liked the frogger minigame in ME1PC, but the hack game is better. The bypass game is easy memory-wise, but it *is* sometimes a pain to get your mouse precisely on the target.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Now don't flame or bite my gd head off for this, but, this form of mini-game wasn't intended to infuriate.

It was intended for the IQ adept, and should've been studied a bit closer.

Don't jump on me, as I found it easy, however I can understand why some, would not.

[Skyblade012]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

You guys have some serious memory issues, this is what happens when you're playing too many videogames instead of basic memory exercises and studying habits.

The biggest problem with this is not the memory aspect, but the controls.  They require a degree of hand-eye coordination, precision, and speed that not everyone has (and is very, very difficult to improve with excercises).

Modifié par Skyblade012, 13 février 2010 - 11:47 .

[CubemonkeyNYC]

D4zed_Confused wrote...

I've just finished playing the first game (me1) having bought both on steam about a fortnight ago. I was well impressed with the story & implementation of the first (despite the interface not gelling easily with a hardwired fps bod like myself), but the second doesn't even make a basic acknowledgement of you changing the keys to suit yourself. The games default keys are shown in the help cues for the first section, and the minigames for security hacking are largely unexplained. I worked out very quickly that it was a matching game, but even when matching the symbols, it is not allowing progress. It just locks me out of the minigame saying I failed. Am I supposed to match the symbols in a particular order? How do I indicate I am making a guess at a match? It just shows the symbol & proceeds to say I failed. S**t idea not to provide an omnigel shortcut/buyout to allow you to progress if you decide you are bored with the minigames & just want to crack on with the story.

If anyone has any tips on this, I'm willing to listen.  And that means constructive suggestions, or helpful advice, not school playground taunting.  I had enough of that s**t at school.  If I am missing the point, it would be more helpful to post a useful answer than to brag about how smart you think you are, & how dumb I must be.

Thanks in advance.

Wow. Really? No there's no order. You know how when you move the cursor over each spot it shows what icon is underneath? Keep moving over spots (without clicking) until you come across a symbol you've already uncovered. If you know where the other one was, click one then the other. If you can't quite remember, go back over the previous spots (again, without clicking) until you find it, then click both.




Edit - and this guy ^ takes a very long time just to show you how it's done.

Modifié par CubemonkeyNYC, 13 février 2010 - 11:51 .

[D4zed_Confused]

Thank you for the tip CubemonkeyNYC, that is the kind of response I deem helpful. It took (a short) time for the symbol to appear, and my normal (very low) level of patience combined with incredulence at being presented with a puzzle and no instructions only served to increase my frustration and further reduce my patience.



There is no problem with my memory Mikazukinoyaibo2, and I'd also say that my pattern recognition skills have been enhanced by playing video games, not sudoku, etc. You are making too many assumptions.



I have no problems with manual dexterity either, and would have never finished the first game if I could not have finely tracked the rapid movement of Saren to consistently hit him & keep myself out of harms way. My mouse is set up nicely & accuracy is not an issue.



As for the symbols - they are all immediately recognisable as electronic component symbols - earth, capacitor, resistor, etc, and the background of a circuit diagram is a nice touch - complete the circuit kind of thing.

[Rosium]

 The game isn't just hard on learning disability, it's hard on cerebral palsies too, I just couldn't get fast enough hand coordination to get through the bypass. 

[the_nohoper]

I've recently bought ME2, and also had difficulties with this mini game, so I thought I'd see whatthere was here. There are some pretty unhelpful responses - my problem, as with a couple of other people here, is that my mouse just isn't responsive enough to match the pairs in time, in which case in doesn't matter how well you understand the game, you're going to be stuck. Condescendingly telling people to 'do it one pair at a time' and saying how easy you found it does not really help. I guess I'll have to be patient and keep trying.

[UKStory135]

the_nohoper wrote...

I've recently bought ME2, and also had difficulties with this mini game, so I thought I'd see whatthere was here. There are some pretty unhelpful responses - my problem, as with a couple of other people here, is that my mouse just isn't responsive enough to match the pairs in time, in which case in doesn't matter how well you understand the game, you're going to be stuck. Condescendingly telling people to 'do it one pair at a time' and saying how easy you found it does not really help. I guess I'll have to be patient and keep trying.

Beleive it or not, it is also possible to follow the wires to figure out the puzzle.

[LordShrike]

Did not get whether OP was on 360 or Pc or PS...
Well, i don't mind reasonably hard puzzle, IF it's not in middle of combat. (Garrus LM.) Example would be the Elven forest underground cup puzzle from DA, did not find the tablet until 2nd playtrough...
Then again, all teh mini games get pretty repetative after a while. It was still a better than the ME1 skill oriented solution. Somekind of mid-way would be perfect for unlocking doors n stuph. (Shep has a gun...)

[PatT2]

tsd16 wrote...

Falonarion wrote...

Talk about impossiblity.  Even though got the game working, have run into a major stumbling block with the door and security console bypasses and keep getting failures for each one that it is making my game UNFUN and no longer enjoyable. Game is fast becoming unplayable......  

I do have a learning Disablity which makes it near impossbile to do these types of mini-games.....  

I found them dramatically easier than ME1.

Wtf is so hard about them?

Hacking.  Match the text up.  it has more to do with shapes colors than anything else.

Seriously BOTH of the mini games are basic memory, observation excercises you do with friggin children basically, what disability do you have that prevents you from doing them?


Seriously, no offense but are people these days that inept?  i have it on the computer, WHy on earth it would be easier on a console I have no idea since you have perfect hand eye coordination with the mouse.   these mini games are RIDICULOUSLY easy.   ME1 was far tougher to hack which is probably why they gave you a bypass option.  after my first 2 hacks i was waiting for them to get harder, because of how easy they are but they never did.  How about you never even have to play games anymore they play for you! Better yet watch a movie!

You know, this is totally uncalled for and unkind.

First, the person's computer may be operating with some lag so that there's less time than there would be if the graphics were snappy (low fps). Now, that's something that costs money, but can be rectified.

But there are plenty of issues people can have that can cause difficulties matching symbols, or things that make words jumble. Also, you can have an astygmus (or something) that causes things like side-to-side eye motions to not be smooth or coherent. I have probems at times because i have a disease called Multiple Sclerosis. I didn't cause it and I'm very intelligent. But sometimes I see double for weeks on end (thank god for eye patches). Sometimes I can't see at all. Somtimes it hurts like hell.

But I didn't do anything to cause it.
Some prescription drugs cause these issues.
STrokes and mini-strokes can cause these problems.

While you're giving people a hard time (callously) for having problems they have no control over, and did nothing to deserve, but try anyway, why not, instead of tellign others not to try, why not just go be a **** somewhere else. If you can't say something nice, or try to understand, then you should try to avoid all people and stay off forums.

This angered me. Because the person came to this forum looking for help and the person I quoted here couldn't do anything but hurl insults and show complete insenstivity. You know...I hope you end up in the situation you so deride. Perhaps a little empathy can be gained by a lot of adveristy. But take it somewhere else and let those of us who honestly want to help the OP try and help. Take the bad attitude elsewhere.

[PatT2]

This thread has been reported. Why are some of you people treated this op this badly? Is this how gamers really are? Do you think this will help Bioware's business and bring you more great games when their potential customers flee because some of you can't act better than schoolyard bullies?

I've seen way too much of this on these forums lately and it reminds me why I stick with mature gamer's sites where people have at least figured out they have to cooperate in this world to get along. Bullying may work in school, but in the real world, bullies become people who get run out of their countries on a rail. By everyone they've bullied.

I mean, those of you who can't do anything but denigrate (look it up) the OP, why not just go suck your thumbs and head back to the playground where you belong. This game is rated Mature. Something seriously lacking round here.

/rant.

[Pacifien]

You guys realize you're responding to a thread posted a year ago, right? Locked now.