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[SKAR]

~swoon~

What I wouldn't give to hear a protag geek out about a new kind of space fern.


I'm willing to settle for scientist whose received military training.

So scientist who became a N7 military operative. Just as long as they can whoop @$$ in combat I suppose it doesn't matter.

[Pasquale1234]

Xenolinguist or astrobotanist.

It could be a lot of fun to play a character with that sort of background.

Given the amount of and expectations for combat in this game, I think the PC is going to need to be or become a badass combatant somehow.

[FKA_Servo]

It's a symbol of the mass effect universe just like Halo's Spartan program. It's a big deal obviously. You can't deny it.You see it in every trailer.

 

It's stupid, but I can live with it. I'd just rather our protagonist not have anything to do with. And I think you have a trite view of what's "badass." We've played a space marine in three Mass Effect games already, and about a thousand other games beyond that. It would be more interesting to establish a character with a completely different background and occupation.

 

You'll notice that I specified that weapons training is a given - which would obviously include biotics training where applicable. I guess you just ignored it?

[SKAR]

It's stupid, but I can live with it. I'd just rather our protagonist not have anything to do with And I think you have a trite view of what's "badass." We played a space marine in three Mass Effect games already, and about a thousand other games beyond that. It would be more interesting to establish a character with a completely different background and occupation.

You'll notice that I specified that weapons training is a given - which would obviously include biotics training where applicable. I guess you just ignored it?

my bad. Thought you meant guns. Yah biotics tech but IF we aren't N7 we need training just as high or more if we want to survive Andromeda. N7's would be the best choice because they are the best Special Forces operatives the Alliance has to offer. They are the best trained and equipped. We need training to match that. Andromeda is not going to be some walk in the park.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I can see us being proficient in combat despite not having a military background. We have had several companions throughout the trilogy that were. 

[SKAR]

I can see us being proficient in combat despite not having a military background. We have had several companions throughout the trilogy that were.

Yeah.....companions. If you had to choose between a civilian with little to no combat experience and one with military/Law Enforcement training that you can't match for an intergalactic expedition then who would you choice?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah.....companions. If you had to choose between a civilian with little to no combat experience and one with military/Law Enforcement training that you can't match for an intergalactic expedition then who would you choice?

I would choose the civilian who is trained to look for the things we are looking for. I would have the law enforcement/military trained people to be there solely for protection. Similar to actual expeditions in human history. 

[FKA_Servo]

Yeah.....companions. If you had to choose between a civilian with little to no combat experience and one with military/Law Enforcement training that you can't match for an intergalactic expedition then who would you choice?

 

It would depend on all of their respective proficiencies. I'd probably choose a wide variety of both, which would mean that there will be a plenty of people without military or law enforcement training.

 

And if your response is "hell ya bad@$$ military N7 scientists" - well, if every single character is Zaeed on the battlefield and Liara in the classroom, that's also kind of stupid.

[SKAR]

I would choose the civilian who is trained to look for the things we are looking for. I would have the law enforcement/military trained people to be there solely for protection. Similar to actual expeditions in human history.

What's the extent of the civilians training. Obviously we have to have a background. There a lot of fighting involved. This is a combat game. We have to be self sufficient if necessary.

[SKAR]

It would depend on all of their respective proficiencies. I'd probably choose a wide variety of both, which would mean that there will be a plenty of people without military or law enforcement training.

And if your response is "hell ya bad@$$ military N7 scientists" - well, if every single character is Zaeed on the battlefield and Liara in the classroom, that's also kind of stupid.

Yeah the civilians in the Ark. What's so bad about being a Rambo egg head? People apparently like it. Obviously I can't really relate to a scientist cause I don't have an exceptional IQ like Reid or Einstein. I would rather them keep the protag very intelligent but not super genius. Mordin Solus was a pretty good example of military trained scientist. Dude was part of the elite STG and became an expert in multiple sciences.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What's the extent of the civilians training. Obviously we have to have a background. There a lot of fighting involved. This is a combat game. We have to be self sufficient if necessary.

The answer to how much is: enough. 

Again, you can be proficient at fighting without having a military background. Fighting is not something only military and police can do well. 

[Fredward]

What's the extent of the civilians training. Obviously we have to have a background. There a lot of fighting involved. This is a combat game. We have to be self sufficient if necessary.

 

That's what level progression is meant to represent isn't it? Like, I realize it's abstracted but the idea is there. Level 1 can be representative of a few shooting lessons and military conditioning training and level 30 can be reaper hellbeast forged in the crucible of combat.

[Shechinah]

What's the extent of the civilians training. Obviously we have to have a background. There a lot of fighting involved. This is a combat game. We have to be self sufficient if necessary.

 

Mac Walters, I believe it was, said during an interview that the protagonist and their squad know how to handle a gun so it has been confirmed that they'll be capable of handling themselves in combat in that regard.
 

[SKAR]

The answer to how much is: enough.
Again, you can be proficient at fighting without having a military background. Fighting is not something only military and police can do.

But it's better and preferable. Unless you're talking about being a child soldier trained by mercenaries form childhood to adulthood, maybe. But people usually prefer military/law enforcement training. We're not talkin about some rednecks making moonshine and shooting deer with AR 15's. You don't just pick some random civilians who knows how to fight, you pick the professionals. People who know what they're doing.

[SKAR]

Mac Walters, I believe it was, said during an interview that the protagonist and their squad know how to handle a gun so it has been confirmed that they'll be capable of handling themselves in combat in that regard.

Of course they have training. Form what we've seen to a high degree, hopefully. Have to be ready for whatever threat presents itself. Well be fighting strange creatures, Khet, defense robots,etc. We need to be highly trained and ready.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But it's better and preferable. Unless you're talking about being a child soldier trained by mercenaries, maybe. But people usually prefer military/law enforcement training. We're not talkin about some rednecks making moonshine and shooting deer with AR 15's.

Preferable to you. This thread clearly shows that multiple people would prefer something other than being a soldier in the military. 

So is that what Liara, Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Grunt, Thane, Legion, and EDI are? Rednecks making moonshine and shooting deer with AR-15s? 

[FKA_Servo]

Yeah the civilians in the Ark. What's so bad about being a Rambo egg head? People apparently like it. Obviously I can't really relate to a scientist cause I don't have an exceptional IQ like Reid or Einstein. I would rather them keep the protag very intelligent but not super genius. Mordin Solus was a pretty good example of military trained scientist. Dude was part of the elite STG and became an expert in multiple sciences.

 

I don't think that this is necessarily at odds with what I'm saying. I'm saying that playing a space marine - or a N7, or any military character - again would be boring.

 

What I think you seem to be saying is that every single person doing anything of consequence in or out of the squad should also match this profile. Which is what makes me say that you have a trite view of what constitutes "badass."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Mac Walters, I believe it was, said during an interview that the protagonist and their squad know how to handle a gun so it has been confirmed that they'll be capable of handling themselves in combat in that regard.
 

Yep. Mac Walters also said either in that interview or around the same time that Ryder and our crew are untested, so us being proficient military personnel like N7 is almost certainly not the case. 

[FKA_Servo]

Of course they have training. Form what we've seen to a high degree, hopefully. Have to be ready for whatever threat presents itself. Well be fighting strange creatures, Khet, defense robots,etc. We need to be highly trained and ready.

 

Who needs training when you have a Mako?

[SKAR]

Preferable to you. This thread clearly shows that multiple people would prefer something other than being a soldier in the military.
So is that what Liara, Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Grunt, Thane, Legion, and EDI are? Rednecks making moonshine and shooting deer with AR-15s?

Grunt is a soldier who was in a way trained by warlord okeer, bred for combat. Look the point is That they need the best of the best. None of these guys can take Shepard. None of these guys would be leading and intergalactic expedition.

[SKAR]

Who needs training when you have a Mako?

What about a mako with no guns? I do hope we'll have guns on this mako but we may not. Maybe later we can put one on but from what I've see I don't think so. It looks to be an exploration mako.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Grunt is a soldier who was in a way trained by warlord okeer, breed for combat. Look the point is That they need the best of the best. None of these guys can take Shepard. None of these guys would be leading and intergalactic expedition.

Grunt had no actual training whatsoever. WE literally birth him when we open the tank. The fact he was bred for combat doesn't mean he was trained. His training was essentially him reading up on how to fight and then doing it. Something a lot of people can do, even without formal training. 

 

The companions I mentioned are the best of the best. Even The Illusive Man, head of a human-centric organization, sees them as such to the point of choosing them for recruitment against the Collectors rather than just humans. 

 

We aren't leading the expedition. Show me where it says we are in charge of the whole thing. I am willing to bet that we are just a cog in the machine when this game starts, followings orders from the actual leaders of the expedition. 

[Pasquale1234]

Of course they have training. Form what we've seen to a high degree, hopefully. Have to be ready for whatever threat presents itself. Well be fighting strange creatures, Khet, defense robots,etc. We need to be highly trained and ready.

Yes, and this also means our characters need to be flexible and smart enough to avoid hostilities wherever possible.

We're the invaders here, with zero foreknowledge of what we'll find. We'll need to be studying these new environments and life forms, and try to learn how to communicate with them, etc.

I really hope the game deals with all of that in a reasonable fashion. I'd hate it if our initial exposure to every new species started and ended with pew-pew.

[FKA_Servo]

Grunt is a soldier who was in a way trained by warlord okeer, bred for combat. Look the point is That they need the best of the best. None of these guys can take Shepard. None of these guys would be leading and intergalactic expedition.

 

So, you're envisioning some sort of "Expendables/Commando/Raw Deal" mashup, yeah?

 

Our ideal Pathfinder under the tags, folks:

 

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[Hammerstorm]

Of course they have training. Form what we've seen to a high degree, hopefully. Have to be ready for whatever threat presents itself. Well be fighting strange creatures, Khet, defense robots,etc. We need to be highly trained and ready.

 

But this does not equal N7. We could just as well be N6 and that we are being trained for N7, which could be why we are on the team. Just like Shepard was supposed to be with that Turian spectre.