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[SKAR]

I'm not using Neanderthals. The people I mention have been as recent as this past century, like the ace pilots who developed the dogfight techniques all other pilots now learn.
You're free to believe that. Just be ready to accept that you may be wrong.

my bad. That's irrelevant. To point is that we are N7. I truly believe that. And I don't believe I'm going to be wrong. It doesn't make sense to me for them not to do it. I'm not preparing my self for the eventuality that we're not. That's what I believe and no one can change that. They showed us the protagonist in 2014. Why take the N7 away after they spent two years designing the game? They have the same armor as we see today. They have the same mako. You can have your opinion and I'll have mine.

[SKAR]

Kai Leng should probably be stricken from the record completely, in every aspect. He was a floating turd in an ocean of sewage.

I suppose he does personify the particular flavor of "badass" that you've been championing, though.

I used him as an example that he was young. What the **** is your problem?

[FKA_Servo]

I used him as an example that he was young. What the **** is your problem?

 

Kai Leng was terrible, that's all.

 

my bad. That's irrelevant. To point is that we are N7. I truly believe that. And I don't believe I'm going to be wrong. It doesn't make sense to me for them not to do it. I'm not preparing my self for the eventuality that we're not. That's what I believe and no one can change that. They showed us the protagonist in 2014. Why take the N7 away after they spent two years designing the game? They have the same armor as we see today. They have the same mako. You can have your opinion and I'll have mine.

 

If you're assuming Bioware does things that "make sense" (not that shoehorning another N7 PC makes sense) you're setting yourself up for disappointment. If they did things that made sense, Me2 and ME3 would be very different games.

 

I guess one opinion will be vindicated soon enough. Evidence suggests that we probably won't be N7, and that's probably for the best.

[SKAR]

Kai Leng was terrible, that's all.

He just wasn't used to his full potential. He didn't feel like a "threat". I'm saying not making Ryder N7 doesn't make sense considering in 2014 they were showcased as such.

[Lady Artifice]

Military trained field researcher. Can't fight for jack if you don't have professional training. Without it you're Nothing but a trigger happy civilian whos only shot at cans and cannot hold his/her own in real combat. Obviously we have to have background training. Nothing cooler than an former military operative turned scientist and Pathfinder. Like mordin.

 

 

The intensity of your snobbery is astounding. Watching a character develop a reputation and become the hero can be a lot of fun. Plus, plenty of us really like the idea of the new protagonist being extremely different from Shepard. 

 

We still have Shepard, three games of them we can replay any time. Variety going forward is good. 

[FKA_Servo]

He just wasn't used to his full potential. He didn't feel like a "threat". I'm saying not making Ryder N7 doesn't make sense considering in 2014 they were showcased as such.

 

He was a clown. A bad Nightwing cosplayer working for a ridiculous organization.

 

And I don't see how that logically follows, considering how preliminary the stuff we saw in 2014 was. That's certainly something that can change in two years.

[SKAR]

The intensity of your snobbery is astounding. Watching a character develop a reputation and become the hero can be a lot of fun. Plus, plenty of us really like the idea of the new protagonist being extremely different from Shepard.

We still have Shepard, three games of them we can replay any time. Variety going forward is good.

But I don't want to be Shepard anymore. I want to be a new, trained bad@$$. We can be N7 and become a hero. It's not like we're a spectre where we are automatically a hero and have an established history like Shep. He had 11 years of military service and no matter the back story he/she was already established a hero. It's wasn't the N7 that did that. Its the back story of action that we didn't have control over. It's different now. And don't call me snob.

[Steelcan]

Why are we so convinced we aren't N7?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And I don't see how that logically follows, considering how preliminary the stuff we saw in 2014 was. That's certainly something that can change in two years.

Yeah, just look at all the stuff that changed between the trailers for Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 1 itself. Same with the other Mass Effect games. 

 

Why are we so convinced we aren't N7?

I'm not convinced we aren't, but more and more evidence points that way. Bioware devs repeatably talk about how Ryder is inexperienced and stuff like that, the fact we are shown in armor that is not N7, etc. 

[FKA_Servo]

Why are we so convinced we aren't N7?

 

It's implied from the few things they've said on the subject, although we should obviously take that with a block of salt. If we weren't freaking out over hearsay, we wouldn't be the BSN.

 

Personally though, I hope it's true, at least as much as Skar hopes it's false. N7 was Shepard's deal. I think it's something we should leave in the MW.

[SKAR]

He was a clown. A bad Nightwing cosplayer working for a ridiculous organization.

And I don't see how that logically follows, considering how preliminary the stuff we saw in 2014 was. That's certainly something that can change in two years.

Can't be that. We saw that the gameplay leak from 2014 is mostly intact. We are seen playing as Ryder wearing said N7 armor with the mako in the background. We are with a three person squad with two confirmed squadmembers, cora and drak. That cant change. The leaks are basically confirmed at this point. We'll see. As for Kai leng and cerb. I don't have a problem with any of it. Just Kai Leng not being used to full potential. He's nothing like nightwing. Do you really think in the future when we meet aliens and maybe establish a society with em if possible there wouldn't be human centric groups? They wanted to see humans Trump everyone else but they did bring shep back to life and gave him resources to fight the Reapers but IM was always gonna screw shep. He became infatuated with the reaps and he fell into indoctrination between 2 and 3. Illusive Man was cool to me, Martin sheen was awesome. But they left out too much of Kai Leng. He was too important a character for them to half @$$. Rasa or Brooks were way better portrayed than Kai leng.

[Lady Artifice]

But I don't want to be Shepard anymore. I want to be a new, trained bad@$$. We can be N7 and become a hero. It's not like we're a spectre where we are automatically a hero and have an established history like Shep. He had 11 years of military service and no matter the back story he/she was already established a hero. It's wasn't the N7 that did that. Its the back story of action that we didn't have control over. It's different now. And don't call me snob.

 

 

I didn't call you a snob, I said you're displaying snobbishness. You've equated any character who doesn't have the specific training you place value on with "a regular Joe," amongst other derisive descriptions. If it was only a matter of you loving N7, that would be one thing. It's your consistent insistence on perceiving anything else as being of low value that's so very elitist. 

[Shechinah]

Why are we so convinced we aren't N7?

 
Well... I'd find it a very nonsensical decision for the team to make the player character an N7 when said player character has been confirmed as being green to my knowledge. N7 training is very much the epitome of the trainee in question no longer being green.
 
Here is an excerpt from what N1 training entails;
"Initially, candidates train for more than 20 hours per day, leading small combat teams through hostile terrain with little sleep or food."
 
Here is the subsequent courses for N2 through N6;
"N2 through N6 - are often held off-planet and include instruction in zero-G combat, military free-fall (parachuting), jetpack flight, combat diving, combat instruction, linguistics, and frontline trauma care for human and alien biology."
 
"The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in combat zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the coveted N7 designation."
 
I may not be interested in it but it would not be so nonsensical if the player character became N7 over the course of their hero's journey but them starting out as such would very much be so, in my opinion.

 

It'd basically be like a hero's journey starting out with the story claiming Jim is a soldier who is inexperienced in command and battle despite having had training specifically meant to mold him into the perfect soldier who knows everything about how to handle and act in combat.

[FKA_Servo]

Can't be that. We saw that the gameplay leak from 2014 is mostly intact. We are seen playing as Ryder wearing said N7 armor with the mako in the background. We are with a three person squad with two confirm led squadmembers, cora and drak. That cant change. The leaks are basically confirmed at this point. We'll see.

 

It can change tremendously. See the DAI alpha footage debacle.

 

As for Kai leng and cerb. I don't have a problem with any of it. Just Kai Leng not being used to full potential. He's nothing like nightwing. Do you really think in the future when we meet aliens and maybe establish a society with em if possible there wouldn't be human centric groups? They wanted to see humans Trump everyone else but they did bring shep back to life and gave him resources to fight the Reapers but IM was always gonna screw shep. He became infatuated with the reaps and he fell into indoctrination between 2 and 3. Illusive Man was cool to me, Martin sheen was awesome. But they left out too much of Kai Leng. He was too important a character for them to half @$$. Rasa or Brooks was way better portrayed than Kai leng.

 

He looks like a crappy Nightwing cosplayer, hence crappy Nightwing cosplayer.

 

Cerberus are a hackneyed writer's pet, and you're kind of just putting down a checklist of stuff I (and I'm not alone there) thought was dumb about ME2 and ME3.

[Steelcan]

I'll believe we aren't N7 when I get sold confirmation, I remember that there was soom deal about "what does it mean to be N7" or something like that a while back on Twitter

[Shechinah]

I'll believe we aren't N7 when I get sold confirmation, I remember that there was soom deal about "what does it mean to be N7" or something like that a while back on Twitter

 

Wasn't that waaaay back when?

[Steelcan]

Wasn't that waaaay back when?

little bit after ME3 finished its DLC cycle iirc. so yeah its been a while

[Lady Artifice]

I'm not taking anything for granted. We are probably a soldier, and we are probably not N7, but I'm prepared to be surprised. 

[SKAR]

I didn't call you a snob, I said you're displaying snobbishness. You've equated any character who doesn't have the specific training you place value on with "a regular Joe," amongst other derisive descriptions. If it was only a matter of you loving N7, that would be one thing. It's your consistent insistence on perceiving anything else as being of low value that's so very elitist.

Im just saying they wouldn't just pick some civilian but someone who knows how to fight and lead. N7 is a symbol of Mass Effect. They have the training to get the job done. You pick the pathfinders from people who are the mostt qualified. I'm assuming that the pathfinder position involves background checks and a rigorous screening process. You need the right people on the job. Military officers and trained operatives are no joke. Those are the people you want to lead an expedition. Whoever chose the pathfinders, they're not stupid, they know what that they need highly trained, highly motivated leaders and combatants who know what to do when things go FUBAR. We are explorers now. We are being given many responsibilities. It's logical to choose only the best. We are going into the unknown. Its.not all about me loving N7,I yoga a symbol of the ME Universe whether you agree or not. they are the best of the best. Those are the ones that are capable. Regardless if we are or not, there appears to be an N7 on the forefront of this expedition. I'm not being elitist, I'm being logical. You choose the people who have the best qualities. The survey said military trained veterans are on our team. That includes us.

[SKAR]

I'll believe we aren't N7 when I get sold confirmation, I remember that there was soom deal about "what does it mean to be N7" or something like that a while back on Twitter

They said we weren't the guy we saw. The info form comic con 2014 panel, gameplay leak, concept art, images seen on developers computer say otherwise to me.

[SKAR]

I'm not taking anything for granted. We are probably a soldier, and we are probably not N7, but I'm prepared to be surprised.

I'm not.

[SKAR]

It can change tremendously. See the DAI alpha footage debacle.


He looks like a crappy Nightwing cosplayer, hence crappy Nightwing cosplayer.

Cerberus are a hackneyed writer's pet, and you're kind of just putting down a checklist of stuff I (and I'm not alone there) thought was dumb about ME2 and ME3.

Alrighty then. But the leaks and shinobi don't lie. We still have a blonde biotic and a Krogan named drak. We still have images of the protagonist wearing N7 on the armor.

[ruggly]

I'm not.

 

So then out of curiosity, what are you going to do if the PC is not N7?

[Lady Artifice]

Im just saying they wouldn't just pick some civilian but someone who knows how to fight and lead. N7 is a symbol of Mass Effect. They have the training to get the job done. You pick the pathfinders from people who are the mostt qualified. I'm assuming that the pathfinder position involves background checks and a rigorous screening process. You need the right people on the job. Military officers and trained operatives are no joke. Those are the people you want to lead an expedition. Whoever chose the pathfinders, they're not stupid, they know what that they need highly trained, highly motivated leaders and combatants who know what to do when things go FUBAR. We are explorers now. We are being given many responsibilities. It's logical to choose only the best. We are going into the unknown. Its.not all about me loving N7,I yoga a symbol of the ME Universe whether you agree or not. they are the best of the best. Those are the ones that are capable. Regardless if we are or not, there appears to be an N7 on the forefront of this expedition. I'm not being elitist, I'm being logical. You choose the people who have the best qualities. The survey said military trained veterans are on our team. That includes us.

 

 

While I maintain that the logical thing would be to recognize that highly specialized combat marines are not the only intelligent choices for competent explorers, and that other specialities are only permissible, but potentially required. Scientists, for example, will almost certainly be as essential to any colonization efforts as soldiers. 

[SKAR]

So then out of curiosity, what are you going to do if the PC is not N7?

Nothing cause we are. But if you must know in this case, still pay top dollar but Bio is gonna hear it from me. But I know what N7 means to them.