So I started my first ever renegade playthrough of the series a week ago AND IM LOVIN IT...Being the badass backstabbing bastard who shots everyone who makes him angry and doesn't help the wounded... But renegade shepard seems to be a tool for cerberus, It was SUPER Easy to get his trust... With para shep it takes alot of convincing but with renshep its like
"o u tried 2 kill me in the past nvm ur fine! ill work 4 u"
That's one interpretation. But really the reason that Renegade Shep is all buddy buddy with Cerberus is because they share the same values of achieving results no matter the cost.
Try not to think of Renegade as just constantly being a contrarian badass but rather a very efficient "professional" that puts results above all else, including the lives and feelings of others.
Renegade Shepard is outstanding. Click on the link in my signature to see how outstanding Shepard can be in a playthrough. excellent
Renegade Shepard is big on the ends justify the means and getting the job done. You could headcanon that the Alliance was just a means to an end, and in ME2 when they're useless, Shepard is all for being a Cerberus cheerleader so long as they get results.
Paragon Shepard here may consider Renegade Shepard to be a willing tool when he could be more, accepting enough of his situation but working his way around and beyond it.
Renegade Shepard here may consider Paragon Shepard as in denial to his reality as a tool and his potential to be more efficient as a unit.
Renegade just gets it that Cerberus is doing X and needs Y and both is what works for him for now so he works 'for' Cerberus. It gets his objectives done.
Paragon takes this cooperation as just a part of a larger agenda of countering the Reapers. It is acceptable enough.
In both cases, working with or for Cerberus was always considered by Shepard to be a temporary status. You can be more or less sympathetic to Cerberus, but never a 'sympathizer'. You can be more or less sympathetic to Cerberus, yet always hopeful they'll at least be useful against the Reapers. In ME3 you then head back to a version of your 'old self' with the Alliance, and then either get angry at Cerberus being more useful to the Reapers than humanity (Renegade), or you are sad about them losing all potential to be useful but instead losing to the Reapers (Paragon).
Shepard is still Shepard, just different priority to things.
You could say Renegade Shepard is too trusting, but its also easy to say he just doesn't care. If Cerberus backstabs him, Renegade Shepard is more ready for the concept of being backstabbed and he has less concept of having allies so he'll just gun for Cerberus. Which Renegade Shepard is all for in ME3. It is more self-oriented, one way or another. The supposed 'falling in line' he does with Cerberus is still just his way of efficiently getting his personal objective done (though arguably he only has this objective due to outside factors, but Shepard would never think so).
I must say that normally I am a Paragon Shep. When I did finally decide to try being a Renegade (full) Shep, it was like a totally different game.
I must say that normally I am a Paragon Shep. When I did finally decide to try being a Renegade (full) Shep, it was like a totally different game.
Ha, try mixing the two as Paragade and Renegon 
Another different game, and the reason I love trying out all sorts of things. So much replayability 
I think if you mostly leave the Renegade stuff to normal behavior and dialogue, Shep is pretty funny. But the major choices, not so much. I don't do all of those.
I mean look at Jack and Miranda. Both Renegades, but Miranda has the colder side that would be cool with Cerberus (but even she isn't cool with all of it). Same with Garrus or Mordin. Both Renegades, but have their limits.
Ha, try mixing the two as Paragade and Renegon
That and mixing up who you take for the squad banter - its quite fun.
He was more like a tool in the second game during particular dialog choices.
Samara is a closeted renegade who can't see it. She condemns Shepard while slaughtering villages, her children, prone defenseless mercenaries and anyone else in her way. Shepard doing the same is an inexcusable crime. It's a pity there's no way to dispose of both Samara and Morinth on her LM.
Samara is a closeted renegade who can't see it. She condemns Shepard while slaughtering villages, her children, prone defenseless mercenaries and anyone else in her way. Shepard doing the same is an inexcusable crime. It's a pity there's no way to dispose of both Samara and Morinth on her LM.
Most of those characters are complicated.. it'd be a shame if Shepard was all one way or another themselves. It's best to mix it up.
Maybe the purest Renegade is Morinth. Followed by TIM, but even he has (had) some good intentions.
Most of those characters are complicated.. it'd be a shame if Shepard was all one way or another themselves. It's best to mix it up.
Maybe the purest Renegade is Morinth. Followed by TIM, but even he has (had) some good intentions.
I have to disagree with this.
Renegade is not evil, or the lack of good intentions. Renegade is the willingness, and ability, to do anything and everything to achieve the goal. No sacrifice, even that of personal honour and integrity, is too much if it means furthering the mission. TIM is the purest Renegade, he had only good intentions starting out (even if his personal views are disagreeable), it was just that he had the misfortune of becoming indoctrinated along the way that screwed him over.
Morinth isn't a Renegade, she's a junkie. It's not for some grand ideal, it's for the pleasure she gains from it.
For what it matters, I have a lot of difficulty playing a Renegade Shep, I don't believe in stepping on the little people, no matter how great the gain. I can easily be a jerk to someone in dialogue (which can even be funny at times), but when it comes to the choices in the game, the Renegade option is rarely acceptable to me. Despite this, I don't see Renegade as evil.
I have to disagree with this.
Renegade is not evil, or the lack of good intentions. Renegade is the willingness, and ability, to do anything and everything to achieve the goal. No sacrifice, even that of personal honour and integrity, is too much if it means furthering the mission. TIM is the purest Renegade, he had only good intentions starting out (even if his personal views are disagreeable), it was just that he had the misfortune of becoming indoctrinated along the way that screwed him over.
Morinth isn't a Renegade, she's a junkie. It's not for some grand ideal, it's for the pleasure she gains from it.
For what it matters, I have a lot of difficulty playing a Renegade Shep, I don't believe in stepping on the little people, no matter how great the gain. I can easily be a jerk to someone in dialogue (which can even be funny at times), but when it comes to the choices in the game, the Renegade option is rarely acceptable to me. Despite this, I don't see Renegade as evil.
Yeah, I'd rather just call her evil too, but for the sake of simplicity, I said Renegade... there isn't much shading to her morality. I just kind of mean she's "pure" in what she is.
But I have my limits with Renegade Shep too. I find it a lot of ME2 funny, but I'm not big on straight up coldheartedness. ME3 is full of this. Some of ME2 is... like abandoning Dr. Chakwas at the end mission. That's just unnecessary to me.
I have to disagree with this.
Renegade is not evil, or the lack of good intentions. Renegade is the willingness, and ability, to do anything and everything to achieve the goal. No sacrifice, even that of personal honour and integrity, is too much if it means furthering the mission. TIM is the purest Renegade, he had only good intentions starting out (even if his personal views are disagreeable), it was just that he had the misfortune of becoming indoctrinated along the way that screwed him over.
Morinth isn't a Renegade, she's a junkie. It's not for some grand ideal, it's for the pleasure she gains from it.
For what it matters, I have a lot of difficulty playing a Renegade Shep, I don't believe in stepping on the little people, no matter how great the gain. I can easily be a jerk to someone in dialogue (which can even be funny at times), but when it comes to the choices in the game, the Renegade option is rarely acceptable to me. Despite this, I don't see Renegade as evil.
Funny how saving Morinth gives a whopping 45 renegade points. I guess they chose to give renegade because there wasn't an "insane" or "evil" bar.
A thought on TIM: It is kind of annoying how Shepard in ME3 seems to forget that he's indoctrinated at times.
"TIM convinced me to work with him to help the colonists, but he never really cared, did he?"
Funny how saving Morinth gives a whopping 45 renegade points. I guess they chose to give renegade because there wasn't an "insane" or "evil" bar.
A thought on TIM: It is kind of annoying how Shepard in ME3 seems to forget that he's indoctrinated at times.
"TIM convinced me to work with him to help the colonists, but he never really cared, did he?"
Morinth was an insane killing machine. Renegade Shepard thought he could control her. If he could, she would be a very effective tool in achieving his goals. All he would have to do is point her at the enemies, and her natural desire to kill things would kick in. This is an ends justify the means thing, so of course it gives Renegade points.
Morinth was an insane killing machine. Renegade Shepard thought he could control her. If he could, she would be a very effective tool in achieving his goals. All he would have to do is point her at the enemies, and her natural desire to kill things would kick in. This is an ends justify the means thing, so of course it gives Renegade points.
Never thought I would encounter someone coming up with a rationale for saving Morinth...
Never thought I would encounter someone coming up with a rationale for saving Morinth...
For what it's worth, I save before the encounter, kill Samara, save in a new slot, reload the old save, and choose Samara. And I only do this once, to unlock Dominate as a bonus power. I, personally, see no point to her, Samara is better, both as a companion, and as a squadmate. However, I believe that what I posted is how Renegade Shepard would see it.
For what it's worth, I save before the encounter, kill Samara, save in a new slot, reload the old save, and choose Samara. And I only do this once, to unlock Dominate as a bonus power. I, personally, see no point to her, Samara is better, both as a companion, and as a squadmate. However, I believe that what I posted is how Renegade Shepard would see it.
Oh, I agree. Its just that Renegade Shepard is very clearly full of himself and his own ability, I do believe he believed he could control her (not through her being controllable, but through him being "better"/"stronger" than her).
There really is no reason to choose Morinth over Samara. Thematically, it's a risk, too much of a risk. As you said, Samara is already sworn to you, an oath she could not break, even if she wanted to, she is too dedicated to her code. I also agree that Morinth should have been innocent, since Samara was very strongly Renegade, having a Paragon alternative to her would have been interesting. Also, I haven't imported a proper ME2 save yet, but I can see Samara being insanely OP in the Armax Arena with the mechanics changes.
The only thing I like about Morinth is her voice actress.. She's sexy. As sexy as Courtenay Taylor, in that raspy sort of way. She also did Sigrun.
You guys are so right about Morinth. I also tried to come up with a reason to save her at least once, because I really want to see the content of everyone, but I also only came up with a Shepard thrilled by controling her. I was thinking about doing this on my next run, because I'll play a manipulative b*tchy Shep (she will even use Dominate (which means I must've done the pick-Morinth-but-reload thing at some point, but I honestly can't remember 
)), but I'm still unsure if this would actually fit even her 
How good is Morinth's content? Is it worth it to keep her for one run? Or should I just go and watch her dialogue on Youtube at some point?
You guys are so right about Morinth. I also tried to come up with a reason to save her at least once, because I really want to see the content of everyone, but I also only came up with a Shepard thrilled by controling her. I was thinking about doing this on my next run, because I'll play a manipulative b*tchy Shep (she will even use Dominate (which means I must've done the pick-Morinth-but-reload thing at some point, but I honestly can't remember
How good is Morinth's content? Is it worth it to keep her for one run? Or should I just go and watch her dialogue on Youtube at some point?
It's almost the same as Samara's content, except her conversations in the ship. She keeps herself hidden and pretends to be Samara for everyone else.
I don't know if it's worth it... you'll get more out of Samara in both games... even though Samara didn't get much in ME3 either.
You also get a few squad banter differences, like Morinth and Grunt on Tuchanka.
All in all, I'd say YouTube it.
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