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The Leviathan DLC's premise makes no sense


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Of course some were shots in the dark, remember the galaxy map mini game? Only a few things actually showed any connection to the Leviathan's movements, but things like the blackout crimes showed no viable results. I forget if the Rachni did or not... Though even if not, I'd still stick my speculation in that case. It has to be the Reapers or the Leviathans that were behind the Rachni wars, and the Reapers being it makes less sense than the Leviathans being behind it.

The rachni had no connection on the map. Doesn't mean they weren't related to Leviathan though. Remember, the blackout crimes had no results either. I don't know if Leviathan specifically was behind it, but I suspect there was something that caused them to murder every other organic in sight. Attributing it to Leviathan though raises as many questions as it answers.

 

Why did Leviathan allow the rachni to attack every organic in the galaxy?

Would a rachni army really be effective against the reapers as Bryson speculates?

Why come out of hiding to do it?

Wouldn't the rachni wars be more than enough intervention for the reapers to find leviathan now?

Could leviathan really have enough power to influence billions of bugs?

Why not influence other races as well?

Why not simply brainwash someone on the Citadel to destroy the catalyst if it knew about it and how to stop it?



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The rachni had no connection on the map. Doesn't mean they weren't related to Leviathan though. Remember, the blackout crimes had no results either. I don't know if Leviathan specifically was behind it, but I suspect there was something that caused them to murder every other organic in sight. Attributing it to Leviathan though raises as many questions as it answers.

 

Why did Leviathan allow the rachni to attack every organic in the galaxy?

Would a rachni army really be effective against the reapers as Bryson speculates?

Why come out of hiding to do it?

Wouldn't the rachni wars be more than enough intervention for the reapers to find leviathan now?

Could leviathan really have enough power to influence billions of bugs?

Why not influence other races as well?

Why not simply brainwash someone on the Citadel to destroy the catalyst if it knew about it and how to stop it?

 

1. Leviathans don't care, everything else is just a subservient lesser species that are viewed the same way by them as an ant hill getting destroyed is viewed by us. If a thousand species and their worlds must burn for their goals, they Leviathans will do it without hesitation. Our lives are utterly irrelevant to them.

 

2. Yes. They weren't meant to fight the Reapers directly, they were meant to do a proxy war. Take over the Citadel and disable the dark space relay or kill the Catalyst... Or even both. Considering they were practically guaranteed to pull it off before the wildcard that was the Krogan entered the mix, I'd say they were a fairly full proof army to use. They were going to win if the Krogan hadn't shown up, and the Leviathans can hardly be blamed for not seeing that coming. How could they expect a perfect counter to the Rachni to be discovered by the Salarians out of pure good luck?

 

3. What? Who comes out of hiding? The Rachni? Considering they would need to war with basically the entire council galaxy to take the Citadel, that's not something that can be done with subtlety. A total war offensive strategy was pretty much their own chance. Considering how well they did and how they would have won without the Krogan, you can't even argue that it was a bad strategy.

 

4. No. The Reapers probably just believed the official story, that a crazy and warlike bug race that attacks everything in sight decided to go to war with... Um, everyone. No reason to suspect Leviathans just from that info, it sounds perfectly believable.

 

5. They don't have to. Rachni children's minds are shaped by their mothers, they are literally insane without that guidance (as Noveria showed). All they have to do is take over the queen's mind, and that's it. Once they have the queen, they can have her sing whatever they want to her children and manipulate them to be their army. Take over their mother's mind, and all the children will obey you without question just as they obey her without question. So no, they didn't have to control billions of Rachni, they just had to control one. A very particular one, the queen.

 

6. Not as easy. Other races don't have hive minds that make them instinctionally obey every command of their leader. Try that with any other race, and they'd relieve them of command. I mean, if they controlled the Turian Primarch to go to war with the rest of the galaxy, do you really think that the Turians below him wouldn't remove him from command? Or a Dalatrass? Even then, this wouldn't work. Primarchs and Dalatrasses only directly control their own world, with different worlds having different leaders. But Rachni queens? There's only a single queen at any time, and absolute leader who rules over the entirety of the rest of her race via telepathy. In fact, their communication and thought processing also likely made them much easier to control than most races. All you got to do is corrupt their "singing", and that's it. In short, the way Rachni brains work probably made them even easier to control than most other organic races with more typical brains. Also, think of how controlled beings sound for most organic races. When Leviathan controls someone, it's obvious. Their voice, their tone, their speaking style, it's all wrong. Really wrong. Creepy wrong. Them trying to do that with other races would make everyone wonder why the heck their leader has suddenly started ordering insane commands and why their voice and tone are so screwed up. Rachni don't have that judgement, they won't notice a change in voice or tone (being a hive mind and all).

 

7. Because it would be highly risky for one. You'd probably have security on your ass pretty quick if they tried going somewhere restricted, even Anderson was outright shot from being in a restricted area when trying to free the Normandy in ME1. But mainly? There's no control orb on the Citadel before Bryson brings one there, and they need an orb nearby to control people. Another useful thing about Rachni. They just need to set up a single orb to control every single Rachni in existence through the queen, making it very easy to save on resources. Normally they'd need a ton of orbs to control a galaxy-wide army. But with Rachni, they only need one to control a galaxy-wide army of millions to billions. Set one near the queen, and that's it... They have an entire Rachni army at the direct command. One orb for billions of troops, quite a bargain.


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Hmm. Makes sense, I suppose, except the part about the reapers buying into the rachni war not having leviathan involvement. They are far beyond organics in terms of intellect, and likely would have seen signs which organic species ignored. It just would seem more ...smoother... to simply manage to smuggle a few orbs onto the Citadel instead of waging a galactic war to get the same result.

 

Also, were the rachni just waiting for someone to open that dormant mass relay to enact the plan?



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It just would seem more ...smoother... to simply manage to smuggle a few orbs onto the Citadel instead of waging a galactic war to get the same result.

 

Not if you consider that they may have been deliberately killing as many as possible to deprive the Reapers of any short-term (at least a cycles worth of) future harvest possibilities.


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Not if you consider that they may have been deliberately killing as many as possible to deprive the Reapers of any short-term (at least a cycles worth of) future harvest possibilities.

It's a good theory, and one backed up very well. Makes me want to kill the leviathan a bit more, and see the rachni as great threats if queens can completely enthrall billions of bugs to mindlessly do whatever they want. They have no individualism.


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The Rachni had more than one queen before the Rachni Wars. The queen spoke in plural as did Javik when talking about queens, the codex entries for the rachnis wars mentioned krogans entering the lairs and killing the queens.

 

Just for information, controlling a hundred or more queens is probably still easier than a whole species. Ok paragon Shep was still in the realm of wandering loose cannon.