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[BloodKaiden]

DAO
Alistair, Morrigan, Zevran

DAA
Anders, Nathaniel

DA2
Anders, Merrill, Isabel, Carver

DAI
Dorian, Solas, Cole, Vivienne

[NaclynE]

DAO: Liliana, Morigan, Alsiter, Severen, Sten

DAA: Nataniel, Anders, Valloria, Justice

DA 2: Fenris, Isabella, Merril, Bethany, Aveline

DAI: Blackwall, Ironbull, Sera, Dorian, Vivianne.

[WardenBlue]

DAO: Zevran, Alistair, Wynne, and Morrigan

DAA: Anders, Justice, Velanna 

DA2: Bethany, Aveline, Fenris, Merrill, and Varric

DAI: Solas 

[wright1978]

DAO: Leliana, Dog, Morrigan

DA2: Isabela, Varric, Aveline, siblings

DAI: Solas

[SoKoLoV]

DAO: Morrigan/Shale & my absolute favorite Sir Pounce A Lot

DAO2: Anders/Merril

DAI: Cassandra/Blackwall & Bull

[harryfiat]

DAO-Leliana, Morrigan, Alistair and Loghain.

DAA-Velana, Nathaniel, Sigrun and Oghen.

DA2-Isabela, Varric, Merril, Aveline and Caver/Bethany.
Bonus-Tallis

DAI-Sera, Dorian, Cassandra and The Iron Bull

[ewigDunkelheit]

I could never give Isabela to the Arishok when she just returned to do the right thing, that's harsh!   I know she stole the book thingy, but she's not the monster in this case. She's a thief, the Arishok is the murderer. She may have led him to it, but he's the one committing the crimes. Trying to press his lame religion or whatever on everyone else in the process.

I didn't know you could fight against Fenris in the last battle. I always support the mages, and he always helps. Is it a rivalry thing? I fought against Anders the one time I agreed to help Meredith fight the mages even though he wasn't a rival.

 

Each companion can be different things to different people. I went with the idea that Isabela just insinuates herself into the group every now and then, with a disgruntled Hawke becoming more frustrated every time. While my Hawke is pretty aggressive, he also follows a fairly lawful code. In addition, he is a very serious person. So, Isabela and Hawke did not get along. Then, when everything explodes, Hawke is more than happy to hand the pirate over to the Qunari. While, he doesn't agree with all of the policies, my Hawke was in a relationship of mutual respect with the Qunari.

 

Regarding Fenris, yes it is related to the friendship/rivalry scores. I had either middling friendship or higher rivalry, but I do know I don't complete his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs quest. I believe I am able to persuade Fenris to rejoin Hawke through dialogue, but I always choose an option that places the two characters on opposite sides of the issue.
 

I'm nearing the end of the game now, and still I dislike Vivienne. I can understand people liking her style and her fighting skills, but she's cold, she's a snob, and she's got this awful tone when pretending to be all nice when she doesn't like you. She sort of reminds me of Umbridge from Harry Potter, and that was some major childhood trauma reading that book.   Umbridge is also always keen on following law and order strictly, she's always perfumed and smiling when being horrible to people, at the same time believing the world actually needs her. She's also ambitious as f*ck, and all for the sake of power alone. You can be a charming mean person or you can just be a mean person, and for me, Vivienne is the latter.

 

For me, I simply don't see all of that negative side of her. Vivienne likes my Inquisitor. Sure, she is still manipulating the situation for her gain, but, in my Inquisitor's case, they are friends. My Inquisitor is an Andrastian that is finally being allowed to "stand tall" and sing the praises of his faith. Being typically excluded, my Inquisitor is actually trying to reconstruct the Chantry as it was, not as some sort of new, progressive, evolved form of the institution. Besides hoping other races can participate, and that mages should be included, he comes from a pretty traditional platform. And he relies on Vivienne for guidance in many things. So, despite dissolving the organization in the end, I always envisioned my Inquisitor being Divine Vivienne's Right Hand.

 

Obviously, this alters the dynamic of the relationship. Whereas other players can rightfully despise Vivienne due to their interactions, I adore her. So again, different things for different player characters.

[congokong]

Unsurprisingly, Dorian is on a lot of people's favorites list.

 

...Am I the only one who isn't the biggest fan of him? I think he means well and is generally a good guy, but there are things about him that irk me that I never see discussed on the boards. He's a slavery apologist, for one, which I don't like. He's also a bleeding heart; actually disapproving if I kill Calpernia, for example, after revealing Corypheus' betrayal of her. Seriously, Dorian?! I'm going to just let her go after all the bloodshed she caused?! Awww, she did it for Tevinter. That makes it ok, right?

 

Dorian's narcissistic wit also can be irritating. I'm sure he's partially joking, yet still.

 

He also lets his guard down a lot; showing his vulnerability (pretty much the opposite of Vivienne). To an extent, this is a good thing. Though at times, I felt a little awkward with how much of his personal grievances he shares with you. It made me feel like his therapist.

 

I guess I bring this up because I never see it mentioned. Some characters' flaws (like Sera, Solas, and Vivienne), people are quite outspoken about.

[Catilina]

Unsurprisingly, Dorian is on a lot of people's favorites list.

 

...Am I the only one who isn't the biggest fan of him? I think he means well and is generally a good guy, but there are things about him that irk me that I never see discussed on the boards. He's a slavery apologist, for one, which I don't like. 

 

[...]

I not belong among Dorian's biggest fans, but somewhat I like him. I have to defend him in his relation to slavery. He was always surrounded by slaves, they was so natural to him, such as furniture, or as the air. The furniture and air existence is not called into question. And he is a slavery apologist? The man tends to defend itself, if his lifestyle questioning, and turn a blind eye, if it is uncomfortable. This is a human weakness.

Only a few Roman patrician questioned the existence of slavery. It's the truth. 

[congokong]

I not belong among Dorian's biggest fans, but somewhat I like him. I have to defend him in his relation to slavery. He was always surrounded by slaves, they was so natural to him, such as furniture, or as the air. The furniture and air existence is not called into question. And he is a slavery apologist? The man tends to defend itself, if his lifestyle questioning, and turn a blind eye. if it is uncomfortable. This is a human weakness.

Only a few Roman patrician questioned the existence of slavery. It's the truth. 

What bothers me is he disapproves every time you're critical of slavery.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Dragon Age: Origins

 

1) Leliana

 

2) Alistair

 

3) Orghen

 

 

Dragon Age II

 

1) Isabela

 

2) Merrill

 

3) Varric

 

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition

 

1) Josephine

 

2) Sera

 

3) Iron Bull

[Kabraxal]

If we go just top three, leaving out Awakening since it didn't leave much of an impression on me companion wise:

 

Origins: Leliana, Morrigan, Shale

 

DA2: Isabella, Merril, Sebastien

 

Inquisition: Sera, Solas, Cassandra... hard to limit to three.  Vivienne is the only one I didn't like and I'm not counting the advisors in this either

 

For the entire franchise: Leliana and Morrigan are definitely here, but it is too close between Sera, Isabella, and Solas to easily pick the third spot. 

[congokong]

I actually never recruit Sera. She isn't a good mix for my Andrastian dwarf who is trying to run a legimate organization. And once Vivienne and Solas inform me that Cole is a demon, I tell him to leave.

 

So, there you have it.

I like seeing people roleplay to the point where they don't just recruit every companion possible; especially if it would be out of character. I did this with Zevran/Sten in DA:O (cannot see any rational person recruiting them without metagaming heavily), Cole in DA:I (if I do the mage path where recruiting him makes even less sense), Legion in ME2...

 

 

I didn't know you could fight against Fenris in the last battle. I always support the mages, and he always helps. Is it a rivalry thing? I fought against Anders the one time I agreed to help Meredith fight the mages even though he wasn't a rival.

You can fight many of your former companions. Good stuff.

 

[Xilizhra]

Unsurprisingly, Dorian is on a lot of people's favorites list.

 

...Am I the only one who isn't the biggest fan of him? I think he means well and is generally a good guy, but there are things about him that irk me that I never see discussed on the boards. He's a slavery apologist, for one, which I don't like. He's also a bleeding heart; actually disapproving if I kill Calpernia, for example, after revealing Corypheus' betrayal of her. Seriously, Dorian?! I'm going to just let her go after all the bloodshed she caused?! Awww, she did it for Tevinter. That makes it ok, right?

 

Dorian's narcissistic wit also can be irritating. I'm sure he's partially joking, yet still.

 

He also lets his guard down a lot; showing his vulnerability (pretty much the opposite of Vivienne). To an extent, this is a good thing. Though at times, I felt a little awkward with how much of his personal grievances he shares with you. It made me feel like his therapist.

 

I guess I bring this up because I never see it mentioned. Some characters' flaws (like Sera, Solas, and Vivienne), people are quite outspoken about.

I'm legitimately curious what you thought the result of this post would be.

 

 

What bothers me is he disapproves every time you're critical of slavery.

Incorrect.

 

 

I like seeing people roleplay to the point where they don't just recruit every companion possible; especially if it would be out of character. I did this with Zevran/Sten in DA:O (cannot see any rational person recruiting them without metagaming heavily), Cole in DA:I (if I do the mage path where recruiting him makes even less sense), Legion in ME2...

Unfortunately, I would have to metagame to not recruit Vivienne, even if I'd rather not be around her. As for Sten and Zevran, my reasoning is simple: redundancy. Being a squishy mage, I'd rather have reserves in case Alistair or Leliana dies... and they're also more expendable than either, just in case we run into a Virmire-esque situation. Cole, of course, is harmless, and Legion is too useful as a source of information for me to just dump it.

[Catilina]

[..]

I didn't know you could fight against Fenris in the last battle. I always support the mages, and he always helps. Is it a rivalry thing? I fought against Anders the one time I agreed to help Meredith fight the mages even though he wasn't a rival.

[...]

No, its not rival thing: my two pro-mage Hawke was in rivalry with Fenris, but he dont leave they, because his rivalry was on 100%. The rivalry is not hatred, if your Hawke care about his/her companions, they do not leave him/her. The middle zone is critical. Isabela more than once run away with Koslun, but no one of my Hawkes fought against the companions. 

[congokong]

Incorrect.

 

As for Sten and Zevran, my reasoning is simple: redundancy. Being a squishy mage, I'd rather have reserves in case Alistair or Leliana dies... and they're also more expendable than either, just in case we run into a Virmire-esque situation. Cole, of course, is harmless, and Legion is too useful as a source of information for me to just dump it.

Disagree, but I've noticed we tend to disagree about everything. You're reasoning for Sten, Zevran, and Cole is metagamed, and Legion wouldn't be "dumped." Studying it makes far more sense to me than questioning it, and after only a brief conversation, letting it free on the ship to join you as a squadmate despite the extensive history fighting the geth up until that point.

[Kabraxal]

Disagree, but I've noticed we tend to disagree about everything. You're reasoning for Sten, Zevran, and Cole is metagamed, and Legion wouldn't be "dumped." Studying it makes far more sense to me than questioning it, and after only a brief conversation, letting it free on the ship to join you as a squadmate despite the extensive history fighting the geth up until that point.

 

You seem to dismiss points that don't agree with you as metagaming, but yet many aren't. 

 

Zevran/Sten - as a new grey warden that just saw an army get wiped out, both are seen as necessary recruitment in order to best survive.  Sure, they are risks, but a trained assassin and a Qunari soldier are two tools most of my Wardens would not throw away.  Some of them do it out of pragmatism, while some of my more faithful wardens did it out of compassion and the hope they can atone.  There were a few wardens that were more hard line and did not recruit either. 

 

Cole - you assume most Inquisitors react to spirits violently or with great distrust.  But most of the ones I roleplay have either trusted Solas enough to give Cole a chance or do not succumb to the Chantry rhetoric that all spirits are inherently dangerous or demonic.  I have had a few close minded Inquisitors that reacted out of fear and dismissed him, but very few since most were more pragmatic and could overcome their Andrastean based fears to have another soldier against the rifts. 

 

Legion - almost all of my Shephards respected AI's as equals to organic life.  So they reacted accordingly to how they would treat other organics, which means more renegade/Cerberus accepting types would send him off for study, but most would not give up an organic to such study and testing, so they wouldn't do it for an AI.  And honestly, most of them the renegades that would give up the Geth for study don't trust Cerberus enough anyway.  I think I have one pro Cerberus Shep. 

 

Generally, I tend to roleplay less hardlines or those a little more close minded... usually one of each per game.  So a lot of your arguments don't fly for the other mindsets I do roleplay and I tend to end up with most of these companions in 70 percent or so of the games I play.  Hell, some of my favourite runs are actually playing a character that is scared to hell or cynical of a Cole/Zevran/Legion but manages to temper the reaction for the cause and then become surprised at the depth of the person they feared and coming to actually like or respect them.  My second to last Inquisitor was a lot like Sera and scared to death of the Fade and Spirits.  She was going to dismiss Cole but then saw the Rift in the background and swallowed her fear to let him stay.  She grumbled the whole night and had nightmares Cole would possess her, but over time and talking with him, she actually came to view him more as a the little brother she needed to help find his way in the world.  It was surprising, touching, and fun to watch that story play out in the run. 

 

So no, the reasons are not all metagaming... I rarely metagame when I play and always try to stay in character.  Though this run in Inquisition is hard, since I am also trying to get the Trial trophies finished to get back my 100 percent status

[congokong]

You seem to dismiss points that don't agree with you as metagaming, but yet many aren't. 

 

Zevran/Sten - as a new grey warden that just saw an army get wiped out, both are seen as necessary recruitment in order to best survive.  Sure, they are risks, but a trained assassin and a Qunari soldier are two tools most of my Wardens would not throw away.  Some of them do it out of pragmatism, while some of my more faithful wardens did it out of compassion and the hope they can atone.  There were a few wardens that were more hard line and did not recruit either. 

 

"An enemy can attack, but only an ally can betray you. Betrayal is always worse."

 

I really don't want to argue the point with anyone who truly defends recruiting Sten or Zevran.

 

 

 

Cole - you assume most Inquisitors react to spirits violently or with great distrust.  But most of the ones I roleplay have either trusted Solas enough to give Cole a chance or do not succumb to the Chantry rhetoric that all spirits are inherently dangerous or demonic.  I have had a few close minded Inquisitors that reacted out of fear and dismissed him, but very few since most were more pragmatic and could overcome their Andrastean based fears to have another soldier against the rifts. 

 

It was meta-gamed because the argument was that Cole was "harmless." First, that isn't true. Second, you could not conclude that by the time of his recruitment.

 

 

 

Legion - almost all of my Shephards respected AI's as equals to organic life.  So they reacted accordingly to how they would treat other organics, which means more renegade/Cerberus accepting types would send him off for study, but most would not give up an organic to such study and testing, so they wouldn't do it for an AI.  And honestly, most of them the renegades that would give up the Geth for study don't trust Cerberus enough anyway.  I think I have one pro Cerberus Shep. 

 

I never said this example was meta-gamed, although it makes the choice easier. I said I've role-played Shepards who didn't recruit Legion.

[Kabraxal]

"An enemy can attack, but only an ally can betray you. Betrayal is always worse."

 

I really don't want to argue the point with anyone who truly defends recruiting Sten or Zevran.

 

 

It was meta-gamed because the argument was that Cole was "harmless." First, that isn't true. Second, you could not conclude that by the time of his recruitment.

 

 

I never said this example was meta-gamed, although it makes the choice easier. I said I've role-played Shepards who didn't recruit Legion.

 

So you can't actually counter actual roleplaying reasons for recruiting Zevran and Sten? 

[Spirit Vanguard]

"An enemy can attack, but only an ally can betray you. Betrayal is always worse."

 

I really don't want to argue the point with anyone who truly defends recruiting Sten or Zevran.

 

 

It was meta-gamed because the argument was that Cole was "harmless." First, that isn't true. Second, you could not conclude that by the time of his recruitment.

 

 

I never said this example was meta-gamed, although it makes the choice easier. I said I've role-played Shepards who didn't recruit Legion.

 

What? You're saying it's only because of "metagaming" that players recruit these characters, but when they try to explain why it isn't "metagaming" for them you don't want to listen? It feels like because your assumption is that "no rational person" would recruit these companions, there's no real way to have a discussion about it. You're assuming everyone, or every character they play, should be as skeptical as you.

 

"Doubt is easy. It's takes courage to trust."

 

I don't see what any of it really matters anyway, if people want to recruit any/all companions.

[congokong]

So you can't actually counter actual roleplaying reasons for recruiting Zevran and Sten? 

I can respect doing it as a method of role-playing, but as a player, arguing the decision is logical is what I vehemently disagree with.

[congokong]

What? You're saying it's only because of "metagaming" that players recruit these characters, but when they try to explain why it isn't "metagaming" for them you don't want to listen? It feels like because your assumption is that "no rational person" would recruit these companions, there's no real way to have a discussion about it. You're assuming everyone, or every character they play, should be as skeptical as you.

 

"Doubt is easy. It's takes courage to trust."

 

I don't see what any of it really matters anyway, if people want to recruit any/all companions.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said nobody recruits those two outside of meta-gaming. There are role-playing reasons, if poor ones, to do it. My initial statement that people seem to keep misinterpreting is that there's no logical reason outside of meta-gaming to recruit them. I thought I made it clear.

 

 

I did this with Zevran/Sten in DA:O (cannot see any rational person recruiting them without metagaming heavily),

[Kabraxal]

I can respect doing it as a method of role-playing, but as a player, arguing the decision is logical is what I vehemently disagree with.

 

Accept it matches the entire conscription attitude of the Wardens and armies in general.  Sure, it is a risk that Zevran may stab you in the back or that Sten might lose control again.  But then you have an apostate who is tied to the Witch of the Wilds, a drunk dwarf, a sarcastic and harsh golemn, a former bard, and another mage you eventually learn is technically an abomination....... so yeah, I'd say an assassin sent to kill you and a foreign soldier overcome by panic actually are actually quite logical in comparison. 

 

And sure, you can roleplay romantic sentimentalists that are thinking less with logic and more with compassion or hope, but that doesn't mean every RP is that.  Seriously, my most hardline, sociopathic power grabber actually uses the coldest and hardest logic to keep both Zevran and Sten in the party.  He wants to use them to get what he wants then quietly arrange for "accidents" to remove any threat.  He learns much of the Qun from Sten in case he will trade with the Qunari or need to defend against them and tries to use Zevran to get ties in Antiva so, when he makes his move for the Dwarven throne, he has possible avenues to both cement his rule and to hire the Crows for necessary clean up.  Ruthless, cold, yet completely logical. 
 

[Qun00]

Recruiting Zevran hardly is practical.

Accepting the risk of having your food poisoned or getting your throat slit while you sleep doesn't help your mission.

And then we have Sten. He had commited a terrible crime, but he demonstrates his desire for atonement in both word and deed by surrendering to the authorities.

Zevran? He just didn't wanna die. And as an asset he is close to useless as he failed against you in open combat.

[congokong]

Accept it matches the entire conscription attitude of the Wardens and armies in general.  Sure, it is a risk that Zevran may stab you in the back or that Sten might lose control again.  But then you have an apostate who is tied to the Witch of the Wilds, a drunk dwarf, a sarcastic and harsh golemn, a former bard, and another mage you eventually learn is technically an abomination....... so yeah, I'd say an assassin sent to kill you and a foreign soldier overcome by panic actually are actually quite logical in comparison. 

 

And sure, you can roleplay romantic sentimentalists that are thinking less with logic and more with compassion or hope, but that doesn't mean every RP is that.  Seriously, my most hardline, sociopathic power grabber actually uses the coldest and hardest logic to keep both Zevran and Sten in the party.  He wants to use them to get what he wants then quietly arrange for "accidents" to remove any threat.  He learns much of the Qun from Sten in case he will trade with the Qunari or need to defend against them and tries to use Zevran to get ties in Antiva so, when he makes his move for the Dwarven throne, he has possible avenues to both cement his rule and to hire the Crows for necessary clean up.  Ruthless, cold, yet completely logical. 
 

Like I said, I don't want to argue it. I regret saying anything about it because it has opened the doors for people to start giving their reasons for how they think it makes sense. I've heard this all before and strongly disagree with the reasoning.