190 odpowiedzi w tym temacie

[Catilina]

It's exactly the same. Ends do not justify the means. Evil in the name of good is still evil. Murder is murder. There is no difference. 

This is not that easy.

[congokong]

WARNING? For what?

Patiente! If I remember: she asked for a favor.

The Inquisition benefitted from the favor, so it wasn't entirely altruistic.

 

Anyway, her warning was not to talk to him so he obviously wouldn't get in your head (as she emphasized), because as she sees it, his type corrupt others ...and I kind of agree. If you ignore her request, she kills him. I don't see that as blackmail though.

 

 

Yes.

 

I do not believe in death as punishment. Or in any punishment. We lock people away because they are danger to themselves and others. Not to punish them. We have not right to punish or judge them. No one has that right. 

 

 

It's exactly the same. Ends do not justify the means. Evil in the name of good is still evil. Murder is murder. There is no difference. 

See, I disagree with this outlook completely. I'm all for executions as punishment, and certainly for punishment in general. I think people have just as much "right" to punish murder with execution as those murderers had the "right" to murder someone. I don't categorize it all as "murder" the way you apparently do.

 

I believe if the system is broken, people have to act outside of it if they expect things to get better. History has certainly shown that.

[Inkvisiittori]

This is not that easy.

 

I never claimed it's easy. Nothing is easy. 

[Catilina]

The Inquisition benefitted from the favor, so it wasn't entirely altruistic.

 

Anyway, her warning was not to talk to him so he obviously wouldn't get in your head (as she emphasized), because as she sees it, his type corrupt others ...and I kind of agree. If you ignore her request, she kills him. I don't see that as blackmail though.

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Ok, not blackmail. But I think this is intolerable. Why not go alone, if she is so impatient?  We are there. The Inquisitor can help. And she warns the Inquisitor? (And she not run away, she kill this bastard.) There is nothing to justify this behavior.

[congokong]

Ok, not blackmail. But I think this is intolerable. Why not go alone, if she is so impatient?  We are there. The Inquisitor can help. And she warns the Inquisitor? There is nothing to justify this behavior.

I never defended or condemned it, but can see both sides. ...But try to put yourself in her shoes. If this Lord Assh0le had just killed a friend in front of you (along with others) and then tried to kill you, would you really be able to control yourself as you saw him manipulating your partner into allying with him so he can save himself ...with the corpse of your friend only a few feet away? Just saying. I can sympathize.

 

Given her history with nobles and what happened, I'm actually surprised she held out as long as she did; even more so that she's willing to let Harmond go if you leash him to the Inquisition.

[Inkvisiittori]

See, I disagree with this outlook completely. I'm all for executions as punishment, and certainly for punishment in general. I think people have just as much "right" to punish murder with execution as those murderers had the "right" to murder someone.

 

I believe if the system is broken, people have to act outside of it if they expect things to get better. History has certainly shown that.

 

So you believe it's right that SOME PEOPLE have the right to kill but not the others? That is mockery of justice. Double-standards & hypocrisy - it's what I hate the most.

 

There is no such right. Fighting against evil doesn't give us the right to be evil ourselves. 

[congokong]

So you believe it's right that SOME PEOPLE have the right to kill but not the others? That is mockery of justice. Double-standards & hypocrisy - it's what I hate the most.

 

There is no such right. Fighting against evil doesn't give us the right to be evil ourselves. 

I don't see killing murderers as such, but we clearly see this from opposite perspectives so we shouldn't even bother discussing it further.

[Catilina]

I never defended or condemned it, but can see both sides. ...But try to put yourself in her shoes. If this Lord Assh0le had just killed a friend in front of you (along with others) and then tried to kill you, would you really be able to control yourself as you saw him manipulating your partner into allying with him so he can save himself ...with the corpse of your friend only a few feet away? Just saying. I can sympathize.

 

Given her history with nobles and what happened, I'm actually surprised she held out as long as she did; even more so that she's willing to let Harmond go if you leash him to the Inquisition.

She hated my Trevelyan for it. She yelled at him. The result was greatly disapproves. 

[Inkvisiittori]

I never defended or condemned it, but can see both sides. ...But try to put yourself in her shoes. If this Lord Assh0le had just killed a friend in front of you (along with others) and then tried to kill you, would you really be able to control yourself as you saw him manipulating your partner into allying with him so he can save himself ...with the corpse of your friend only a few feet away? Just saying. I can sympathize.

 

Given her history with nobles and what happened, I'm actually surprised she held out as long as she did; even more so that she's willing to let Harmond go if you leash him to the Inquisition.

 

It's Sera's own fault that this happened anyway. She has no moral high-ground here when you take into account all the things she herself has done. If she had just once stopped to think about the consequence's of her actions... But no. She just continues on playing her meaningless games and getting innocent people hurt in the process. And blaming others about it. 

[congokong]

She hated my Trevelyan for it. She yelled at him. The result was greatly disapproves. 

I think you did something else. You allied with him, not leashed him. There is a noble perk option where you leash him. Practically, it does nothing in the game. Sera greatly approves it though.

[Catilina]

I think you did something else. You allied with him, not leashed him. There is a noble perk option where you leash him. Practically, it does nothing in the game. Sera greatly approves it though.

Yes, with noble perk, was okay. But in the Skyhold she more huffed as I remember. Maybe she dont likes my answer...

And she yelled at my Lavellan also, after than she killed that bastard. In the Skyhold the good response would he have been to apologize? What? Why? it's not logical. My Lavellan haven't reason to apologize, I think.

 

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I understand her motivations but her behavior not. First, when we arrived, I really hated this bastard, then Sera started to command my Inquisitor: "Just stop talking with him... blahblah...!" At this moment I no longer wanted so much to kill him, but I really wanted to send the **** out Sera.

[Tidus]

In DA:O Tidus,Camin and Chasha only kills the baddies that harm them or  their friends and family. They recruit Zevran because they will not kill a follow Elf unless there's no other way out..

 

 

In DA:I Tidus,Chasha and Camin only kills the baddies and allows Sera to kill Lord Buttwipe since he set up a nice ambush to kill Sera,the Inquisitor and the other two thinking they was Red Jennies..

 

Only when Lord Buttwipe's men was killed did he speak up and say "Let's all sheath our swords"  and spoke that lie "We identified the confusion and remedied the problem( close enough).

 

In DA:I Like their Elvan counterparts Humes Les and Ashley  only kills the baddies  and allows Sera to kill Lord Buttwipe.

[Christy]

And dat moustache.

 

Sten. He's so grumpy, and his character model stands out as particularly ugly, in a world where even the prettiest girl in Orlais is ugly. Also, dude, maybe don't throw a tantrum and murder a bunch of innocents because you lost your sword, mmkay?

 

Probably Anders. both he and Fenris are a pair of whiny, angsty idealogues who never shut up and act like teenagers. What seals the deal for Anders though is that he's an insane terrorist. At least Fenris only went after the people responsible for slavery.

 

Vivienne. Her selfishness really comes through in very ugly ways, especially when her lover dies. She thinks she's better than everyone else, when she only really got to where she is by sleeping with the right guy. She never really uses her diplomatic skills to help the Inquisition, she's leader of the circle, but we never see her lead anyone, and, to be honest, Solas (knows about the fade) and Dorian (time travel magic) outclass her as mages by a country mile. And she reminds me of many people in the real world, who defend broken, unjust systems because they managed to benefit from it, completely ignorant, apathetic, or both, to how others less fortunate struggle.

It is one magnificent mustache!

 

I actually thought the character models in DAO were better than in DA2 at least. Might be because this is what I remember the best when thinking about them:

 

 

And I thought my Hawkes makeup was unfortunate.. I liked what they did with the qunari design, though. And yes, killing an entire family was perhaps overly dramatic. x)

 

I see what you mean about Anders and Fenris. I could probably cope with them quite well if they had at least one other interest than arguing.

 

I so agree when it comes to Vivienne! I just find her to be a horrible person. You've expressed my feelings towards her very well!

[Orlaith]

Zevran/Leliana/Alister
Fenris/Aveline/Varric
Sera/Solas/Blackwall

[DraftiestTrash]

DAO

Alistair: a companion, a friend, and a brother. (My brother from another mother! Go Elves!)

Morrigan: cold hearted, has kindness within her, and the love of my life. (She is the mother of my child!)

Leliana: conflicted, generous, and extremely dangerous. (Never get on her bad side!)

DA2

Varric: My best friend and the brother I never had. (Sorry Carver!)

Isabela: More of a nice person then she likes to let others know and a lot stronger then she looks. (Still stingy about the book though!)

Aveline: The sister I never had and the most frightening companion to ****** off! (Sorry Bethany!)

DAI

Cassandra: When dragons and darkspawn see her coming their way, they run! When she sees the Inquisitor coming her way, her heart skips a beat! (Swords & Shields #1 Fan!)

The Iron Bull: The perfect example of what a living, breathing Qunari horde should be. Plus the best drinking/dragon hunting buddy anybody could have asked for! (Horns Up!)

Cole & Sera: Little brother and Sister that my Inquisitor never had. I Just loved their interaction together! (Either come in pair or not at all!)

[ljos1690]

DAO: Morrigan, Alistair, Oghren, Wynne

 

DA2: Varric, Isabela, Merrill, Aveline, Bethany

 

DAI: Cassandra, Sera, Solas, Iron Bull