The line every guy used, I wager.
Most likely. But doesn't make it any less true. But I have a feeling no matter what is said people are still going find any little reason to hate Fiona. Including calling her a ****** who deserves a horrible fate for falling in love with a man and sleeping with him in a less then romantic place at an strange time. That makes her a terrible person.
We found out about the disbanding of the Collage in DA2 to it happened just after or during the events of Awakening. Remember when the Warden runs into Wynne during Awakening and she sends you to fetch the other mage, the cantankerous herbalist, we learn that Wynne and the other mage are going to Orlias to the Collage to vote on the Circle leaving the Chantry.or not. A vote that was lost. But the Chantry couldn't take the chance that the Libertarians and Isolationist could convince the Aequitarians to vote with them. At least I think it was Isolationist that voted with the Libertarians.
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Anders was the one who took the very first step towards mage freedom. Fiona and Cole simply put the cherry and toppings on the cake he left in the stove.
The new Divine can improve the mages' lives, but only thanks to the fact that the Circles have no power right now.
It wasn't the very first step. Many of the mages in the Ferelden tower were part of the rebellion because they wanted freedom. At least one will tell you they were hoping to start something of a revolution.
College. It's not that hard.
College, whoops I got a letter wrong. How horrible. The world is going to end.
She wasn't manipulated by Adrian. She didn't have any real interaction with Adrian except for near the end and Adrian had no influnace over Fiona. Since Fiona had wanted freedom for mages before Adrian was even born.
Also she had to leave the Wardens because she was no longer tainted. They became resentful of her since she was no longer shared their fate so she had to leave and return to the circle. Which she said was just as bad as slavery.
But I have a feeling no matter what I say you will hate her since she is a mage who isn't completely brainwashed like Vivienne.
Yeah she is the first person to get frisky in the deep roads.
And she couldn't keep her son since she was still in the wardens at the time and later the Circle she couldn't have kept her son.
Remember the hell Alistair went though just being the bastard of the King and human maid.
Just image how bad it would have been if people had known his mother was a mage and not just a mage but an elven mage.
And worst of all and Orlisn(sp).
If he had been raised in the court he would have spent his whole childhood either dodging assassins, being used the the nobles of both countries. In other words his childhood would have been even worse then it was in the game. So she did what she thought was best for her child
It is dangerous and any moment could be your last.
It isn't surprising that people would hook up down their. After all they say danger is an aphrodisiac. I also want to point out that it sounds like Dai Grepher is trying to sl*t shame Fiona.
Gotta agree with Dai Grepher on this one: getting down and dirty in a place where the taint lurks and the darkspawn are hanging around is something I'd consider stupid as well especially given that Fiona is a Grey Warden who'd know this. If she was on an important mission even more so and irresponsible as well.
No, the Deep Roads is no place to have sex. I'm not shaming Fiona for being easy, I'm shaming her for being stupid.
There are few DA characters who had done the deed in the Deep Roads and who couldn't be called stupid by any means: Rowan with Loghain, Maric as repeated offender with Katriel in "The Stolen Throne" and a couple of grey wardens in "The Calling".
Not to derail the thread, but not as uncommon as some would like to believe. 
There are few DA characters who had done the deed in the Deep Roads and who couldn't be called stupid by any means: Rowan with Loghain, Maric as repeated offender with Katriel in "The Stolen Throne" and a couple of grey wardens in the "Calling".
Not to derail the thread, but not as uncommon as some would like to believe.
You can be a smart person and still do stupid things. Also, that there are more than one person doing the same stupid thing does not make the stupid thing any less stupid, in my opinion.
There are few DA characters who had done the deed in the Deep Roads and who couldn't be called stupid by any means: Rowan with Loghain, Maric as repeated offender with Katriel in "The Stolen Throne" and a couple of grey wardens in the "Calling".
Not to derail the thread, but not as uncommon as some would like to believe.
Seems Deep Roads are very romantic place. I don't understand, why Anders hates so much!
Did Loghain and Rowan have sex though? If so, then yes that was stupid and yes I do believe Loghain is considered stupid in Origins.
We know Maric is stupid. Katriel was just doing her job.
Yes they did 
. Here is a review of the book for your reference.
Also, calling all involved characters stupid doesn't help your cause very much IMHO.
So Loghain wasn't stupid to get involved with a woman he knew he had no future with?
Pairing off in the Deep Roads in private, disrobing, and then losing awareness of your surroundings so you can engage in non-productive physical activities is stupid. Anyone who does that is stupid.
Even if we credit Fiona with being able to sense Darkspawn and thus being able to tell if some were getting close, that still doesn't rule out deepstalkers and spiders and such.
Two Wardens going to their Calling together and having a tryst doesn't make any difference because their final mission is to die anyway, but when you're talking about the fate of an entire nation, I would think the heroes of the tale would have a little more restraint and a lot more regard for what takes priority.
If there happens to be an attack on you or your camp, can you really afford to be humping away in some corridor? Can you afford to be out of your armor? Every second you waste getting your armor back on is another second you're not defending. And if you want to say they did it with their armor on, well in that case, what's the point of even doing it at all?
Also remember that even a deepstalker is capable of inflicting an injury, which makes the person less likely to survive any later encounters.
You seriously ponders how dangerous the coition on the deep roads, and how stupid who try it? Well, which is dangerous to be very interesting. +1 point to sex on the Deep Roads!
I don't ponder it. I thought it was common sense until SerendipitousElf showed up and needed an explanation.
Ah, a personal attack, bravo! I don't recall asking for or needing an explanation, but if that is your opinion just state so.
There is a distinction between lacking intelligence and doing some stupid things. As Shechinah pointed out smart people may also do stupid things sometimes. You should not label a character as unintelligent because they made a mistake, without even considering the circumstances. Maybe you should at least read the books before attempting logical analysis of the characters' behavior in the Deep Roads.
Back to the topic.
IMO, none of the possible outcomes in DAI would be what Anders envisioned. Even the positive changes in the institutions in the South may not last long. There is always some faction or sect fighting for a return to the status quo.
Even if you could name another, other than the one she got frisky with, that wouldn't make her choice any less stupid.
As others stated, that's one reason why she shouldn't have had sex with Maric. Moreover, she could have quit the Wardens, or at least gone back to her child after finding out she was cured. Or at the very least she could have refrained from making selfish demands on how the child should be raised or what he should be told. If she's going to abandon him, then she should at least have the decency to keep her mouth shut about parenting.
Yes, and that was because Fiona demanded he be raised away from court, which would mean being raised away from his father too. That is if Fiona is indeed Alistair's mother, and BioWare seems to be going with the idiotic idea that she was.
I don't think that would have been a problem if she were still in the picture. Maric would have hidden them away somewhere, probably Gwaren, and they would have lived mostly normal lives.
As if elves are considered Orlesian.
Speculation. And the point is what she thought was best was not best, it was stupid. She could have raised him herself so he would have a mother, or she could have let Maric raise him so he would have a father, a brother, and a privileged life. Either of those scenarios would have been better than what he got, which was to be raised in a barn by some lord, and with the lie that his mother died on his birthday. Bravo Fiona.
Which is why the Deep Roads are no place to be caught in such a compromising position.
No, the Deep Roads is no place to have sex. I'm not shaming Fiona for being easy, I'm shaming her for being stupid.
We are never going to agree so I am just going to drop it. So you continue hating Fiona and I will continue liking her. So have a good day.
Ah, a personal attack, bravo! I don't recall asking for or needing an explanation, but if that is your opinion just state so.
There is a distinction between lacking intelligence and doing some stupid things. As Shechinah pointed out smart people may also do stupid things sometimes. You should not label a character as unintelligent because they made a mistake, without even considering the circumstances.
Maybe you should at least read the books before attempting logical analysis of the characters' behavior in the Deep Roads.
We are never going to agree so I am just going to drop it. So you continue hating Fiona and I will continue liking her. So have a good day.
Wasn't a personal attack. I thought everyone would agree that it isn't a good idea to have sex in the Deep Roads, but then here you come and shrug your shoulders like it's no big deal and point out other characters who have done it, so then I explained why it isn't a good idea. That doesn't mean I ponder such things. To me it was common sense that you don't do that in the Deep Roads because it's dangerous.
Sleeping also dangerous in the Deep Roads, yet wardens, dwarves are sleeping there. To live is dangerous.
Sleeping also dangerous in the Deep Roads, yet wardens, dwarves are sleeping there. To live is dangerous.
Sleep is a necessity, and it can be done in the presence of the other group members. It can also be done while wearing armor.
If you only eat and sleep, why would you want to live? Such a sad situation, however, you may be even sex. After a bit of relaxation you might even want to live, and be careful again ... You see? Makes sense.
But... I do not see where he is Anders' purpose? I do not remember, he wanted to sex on the Deep Roads...
If you only eat and sleep, why would you want to live?
Such a sad situation, however, you may be even sex.
After a bit of relaxation you might even want to live, and be careful again ... You see? Makes sense.
But... I do not see where he is Anders' purpose? I do not remember, he wanted to sex on the Deep Roads...
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You are really serious, okay.
Sleep is a necessity, and it can be done in the presence of the other group members. It can also be done while wearing armor.
And normally the poor sod will awake next morning fatigued, with aches and brushes in all parts of his/her body for days to come (that can be bad in a fight, also).
No, isn't smart to sleep in armor. That's why groups of soldiers took guards to sleep.
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