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[SerendipitousElf]

Wasn't a personal attack.

Wasn't it? Then why bring my name in your reply to Catilina's post saying that I need an explanation.

 

I thought everyone would agree that it isn't a good idea to have sex in the Deep Roads, but then here you come and shrug your shoulders like it's no big deal and point out other characters who have done it, so then I explained why it isn't a good idea. That doesn't mean I ponder such things. To me it was common sense that you don't do that in the Deep Roads because it's dangerous.

You should have stopped at the first sentence of your reply.  Instead, yet again you imply that I have no common sense, so please stop insulting my intelligence with your passive aggressive attitude.

 

Also, if you read my posts carefully you will find that nowhere I said it was smart to do that in the Deep Roads. I said that Fiona can't be labeled as stupid for doing it.

 

Maybe you should at least read the books before attempting logical analysis of the characters' behavior in the Deep Roads.

Nah. Why don't you give me examples of some of the smart things Fiona has done?

You are arguing without knowing the facts and you admitted that you have no interest in knowing them, so what is the point of your posts altogether? I get it, you hate Fiona and here is the appropriate thread if you wish to continue our discussion about her.

[Dai Grepher]

And normally the poor sod will awake next morning fatigued, with aches and brushes in all parts of his/her body for days to come (that can be bad in a fight, also).
 
No, isn't smart to sleep in armor. That's why groups of soldiers took guards to sleep.

But we're not talking about a troop of soldiers on a battlefield here, we're talking about a small group in the Deep Roads. I don't believe the armor would cause bruises if it fits properly and has inside padding.

On a side note, the Venatori slept in their armor in the bad future.
 

Wasn't it? Then why bring my name in your reply to Catilina's post saying that I need an explanation.

Because you were the one to question it.
 

You should have stopped at the first sentence of your reply.  Instead, yet again you imply that I have no common sense, so please stop insulting my intelligence with your passive aggressive attitude.

No, I admitted that I was wrong about it being common sense.
 

Also, if you read my posts carefully you will find that nowhere I said it was smart to do that in the Deep Roads.

I never claimed you did. But you contended that it wasn't stupid, and I argued that it was stupid.
 

I said that Fiona can't be labeled as stupid for doing it.

And I think I admitted that maybe that one incident, even though extremely stupid, might not label her stupid for all time. However, it was one example of several. It is a sizable piece of evidence toward the case that she was stupid even during those times.
 

You are arguing without knowing the facts and you admitted that you have no interest in knowing them, so what is the point of your posts altogether?

I have no interest in reading the book. That doesn't mean I won't read your opinion of why you think Fiona wasn't stupid during that era.
 

I get it, you hate Fiona and here is the appropriate thread if you wish to continue our discussion about her.

I don't hate her. I just think she's stupid, and for that reason I dislike her. I also pity her for being so weak.

[Beerfish]

Well if 'paid off' = hundreds of mages being killed that never deserved to be killed and hundreds and probably thousands of mages being killed or ostracized when they were not opposed to the circles and the fact that the mages had to become indentured slaves to tevinter then I guess he got it right.

[Zero]

On a side note, the Venatori slept in their armor in the bad future.

 

That's "Story Segregation", that's normal in games and other stuff. But not in books or more detailed stories. 

[Vit246]

Well if 'paid off' = hundreds of mages being killed that never deserved to be killed and hundreds and probably thousands of mages being killed or ostracized when they were not opposed to the circles and the fact that the mages had to become indentured slaves to tevinter then I guess he got it right.

 

Do you whine everytime theres a war with casualties?

 

"Change rarely comes peacefully. Andraste waged war on the Imperium; she didn't write them a strongly worded letter. She reshaped civilization, freed the slaves, and gave us the Chantry. But people died for it....We thought... someone always has to take the first step... force a change, no matter the cost."

[Catilina]

Well if 'paid off' = hundreds of mages being killed that never deserved to be killed and hundreds and probably thousands of mages being killed or ostracized when they were not opposed to the circles and the fact that the mages had to become indentured slaves to tevinter then I guess he got it right.

The revolutions usually involves a lot of sacrifice and blood. Many condemn and many celebrate the results. It never easy to adjudicate.

 

I like this: "Complicated. It's not like the minstrels make it out to be. He's not just a monster or a hero, or maybe he's both. He was trying to change the world. He knew, it couldn't happen peacefully." – Hawke about Anders in the Inquisition.

[Beerfish]

Do you whine everytime a war has casualties?

 

"Change rarely comes peacefully. Andraste waged war on the Imperium; she didn't write them a strongly worded letter. She shaped civilization, freed the slaves, and gave us the Chantry. But people died for it....We thought... someone always has to take the first step... force a change, no matter the cost."

No.  I whine when a select few people decide what is best for a huge group of people and commit acts that very badly negatively affect the majority, all becasue they have a beef about something.  And this is not a war.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The revolutions usually involves a lot of sacrifice and blood. Many condemn and many celebrate the results. It never easy to adjudicate.

 

I like this: "Complicated. It's not like the minstrels make it out to be. He's not just a monster or a hero, or maybe he's both. He was trying to change the world. He knew, it couldn't happen peacefully." – Hawke about Anders in the Inquisition.

 

 

Or "He was crazy. By the end there was nothing left in him but this insane need to start a war no one could win."

 

I still like that version better. It's not really any less accurate, it just depends on perspective. 

[Beerfish]

The revolutions usually involves a lot of sacrifice and blood. Many condemn and many celebrate the results. It never easy to adjudicate.

 

I like this: "Complicated. It's not like the minstrels make it out to be. He's not just a monster or a hero, or maybe he's both. He was trying to change the world. He knew, it couldn't happen peacefully." – Hawke about Anders in the Inquisition.

Agreed, now comes the minor point of who has the right and has the real and moral authority to create a revolution that will potentially badly negativity affect many of the people they feel are being repressed not to mention a massive number for people who have nothing to do with the 'revolution'.

[Catilina]

[...] And this is not a war.

I agree. This is a revolution to liberate minority.

[Catilina]

Agreed, now comes the minor point of who has the right and has the real and moral authority to create a revolution that will potentially badly negativity affect many of the people they feel are being repressed not to mention a massive number for people who have nothing to do with the 'revolution'.

they not "feel", they are repressed. They are repressed.

[Beerfish]

I agree. This is a revolution to liberate minority.

At a great cost to the majority, and those with no real stake in it.  Anders didn't give a fig about a vast majority of mages, only those that fell in line with his way of thinking. 

[Catilina]

At a great cost to the majority, and those with no real stake in it.  Anders didn't give a fig about a vast majority of mages, only those that fell in line with his way of thinking. 

They would not have paid such a price if they freedom given to this minority. 

Repression also involves risks. They undertook this danger.

[Dai Grepher]

That's "Story Segregation", that's normal in games and other stuff. But not in books or more detailed stories.

No, that was written in a Venatori's journal. It shows up as a text based message. So that is the same as a novel. BioWare could have written anything, but they wrote that people were sleeping in their armor because of the free roaming demons.