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[Donquijote and 59 others]

Is she dead or not?

If she is not dead will Bioware one day stop with the ambiguous deaths which is something they seem to apply at random?

[Pokemario]

I don't think she is.

[thats1evildude]

They do ambigious deaths to leave room for a character's re-appearance.

[myahele]

Probably not. She had a short story written + she was also involved in the last comic. Seems as if she's popular with the writter(s) if they choose to bother including those things. 

[Fredward]

No chance.

[lynroy]

Flip a coin.

Heads--Dead

Tails--Alive

[vertigomez]

Nope. Every outcome is ambiguous and leaves room for her to return, she has a whole backstory and character arc ready to go, and her boyfriend whom she thought was dead showed up in the comics.

There's every reason for her to be alive.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nope. Every outcome is ambiguous and leaves room for her to return, she has a whole backstory and character arc ready to go, and her boyfriend whom she thought was dead showed up in the comics.

There's every reason for her to be alive.

I hope they don't force us to see her in a protagonist role in the next game, like a lot of things seem to be pointing to. 

If she shows up again, the only thing I want is to see that monster pay for her crimes. 

[ArcadiaGrey]

I assumed she'd died, but it sounds like you guys all think she did a Sherlock. 

 

Interesting!

[Andromelek]

She has a "writer's pet" ticket to return from death, so, I guess she'll come back.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

They do ambigious deaths to leave room for a character's re-appearance.

Wouldn't be better to make the situation clear from the start about fates of characters rather than present this  ambiguous scenarios?

In DAO they did this with Leliana,Oghren,Sten and Morrigan while in DAII with Corypheus and in DAI with Calpernia and Abelas i think that they are abusing with the ambiguos deaths.

[Yumakooma]

She better be...

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Flip a coin.

Heads--Dead

Tails--Alive

The coin obviously has two tails.

[myahele]

I feel like she may be a party member for the next game

[GoldenGail3]

LOL nope 

[PapaCharlie9]

Look, there was nothing ambiguous about my HoF killing Leliana dead when she objected to defiling the Sacred Ashes, and yet she came back to life (albeit with a McGuffin the size of a nuggalope). And nothing ambiguous about the Divine getting blown to bits, but she came back as a special effect, like Obi-wan Kenobi. So, yeah, you can't count anyone out. Except the HoF, I suppose.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Hope so. Don't have time for her sob story.

[Zero]

I don't believe she is dead. The default world state in the keep is that the Inquisitor recruited the mages, and now that BW has "learned" from past errors, that would mean they have plans for Calpernia in the default ws. If they didn't allow us to see her body and the default ws assumes we never confront her, that means she is alive.

[Andraste_Reborn]

There is no way she's dead - BioWare deliberately created a situation where we never found a body. The only questions I have are whether she'll be a companion or some kind of important NPC faction head like Celene, Briala and Gaspard, and whether her ex-boyfriend will also be around. And if Marius turns up, will he bring Tessa with him? (My guess is that he will, especially we've seen hints that Charter will return in some capacity and Tessa and Charter are an item.)

[thats1evildude]

Wouldn't be better to make the situation clear from the start about fates of characters rather than present this ambiguous scenarios?.

So if she was dead and then Bioware decided to use her again, what would your response be?

"WAAAAH BUT I KILLED HER WAAAAAH"

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I didn't do the templar recruit plot, so I never actually saw Calpernia and don't have a strong opinion about her. I hope they don't lean too hard on people knowing the comic plot, though. I feel like ME3 and DA:I already leaned too hard on extended universe information. I just hope everything flows smoothly and makes sense without needing that stuff. The games should be easily self-contained, imo.

[vertigomez]

There is no way she's dead - BioWare deliberately created a situation where we never found a body. The only questions I have are whether she'll be a companion or some kind of important NPC faction head like Celene, Briala and Gaspard, and whether her ex-boyfriend will also be around. And if Marius turns up, will he bring Tessa with him? (My guess is that he will, especially we've seen hints that Charter will return in some capacity and Tessa and Charter are an item.)

Yup. It helps that she has such a unique position. She's like the anti-Fenris in that she's a former slave but also a Tevinter supremacist. She hates the Qunari and wants to Make Tevinter Great Again™ I'm so sorry. Like Dorian, her mentor betrayed her and abused her trust and she's super angry about it.

I didn't do the templar recruit plot, so I never actually saw Calpernia and don't have a strong opinion about her. I hope they don't lean too hard on people knowing the comic plot, though. I feel like ME3 and DA:I already leaned too hard on extended universe information. I just hope everything flows smoothly and makes sense without needing that stuff. The games should be easily self-contained, imo.

You don't need to read the comics to know anything about Calpernia. Outside of the game, the only significant thing we have on her is her excellent short story.

[JWvonGoethe]

Here's a probably incomplete list of people who come back from the dead:

Anders (killed in Awakening, returns in DA2 anyway)
Leliana (killed in DA:O, returns in DA2/DA:I)
Zevran (killed in DA:O, returns in unpatched DA2)
Isolde (kills herself in DA:O epilogue if you made her sacrifice her son, returns in MotA anyway)
Brother Genitivi (stabbed in the back of the head in DA:O, returns from the dead only to die once again in a DA:I codex entry. This might sound insignificant but it actually makes the whole plot of DA:I nonsensical, since the codex entry cites him as the reason everyone knew about the rediscovery of the Urn of Sacred Ashes, even though he was dead)
Samson (killed in DA2, returns in DA:I)
Oghren (killed in DA:O, returns in Awakening)
Flemeth (killed in DA:O, returns in DA2, which to be fair actually makes sense)
Corypheus (killed in DA2: Legacy, returns in DA:I which was also obviously planned)

I'm quite possibly missing a couple and there are other fringe cases, such as Morrigan who can be stabbed in Witch Hunt but returns in DA:I with no explanation as to how she survived. Or Justice who can sort of be killed in Blackreach, yet survives to possess Anders in DA2, or Sten who was left in a cage to die with no will to escape but somehow becomes the Arishok. Now some of these characters (eg., Corypheus and Flemeth) have their "resurrections" framed as major plot points and are obviously fairly well thought-out. Others (Leliana and Anders) have weak explanations as to how they survived. The rest (Isolde, Zevran, Oghren, Samson and Brother Genitivi) are just bugs or plain oversight on the writer's part.

Now, my point here isn't so much to just criticise these specific examples; I'm using them to make the over-arching point that resurrection is getting really tired as a feature of the games. It makes player choice feel less meaningful and it makes important character "deaths" lose a lot of their impact since we know they can be hand-waved for whatever reason at any time with little to no explanation. What is the point of giving us choices if they are just going to be over-ridden?

So as for Calpernia (and Flemeth in the post-credits, as well as Hawke/Alistair/Stroud/Loghain during Champions of the Just) I really hope dead is dead this time. It can be interesting to occasionally reveal that a character we thought was dead is still alive as long as it's done in a clever way for good story reasons (eg., Flemeth and Corypheus), but Dragon Age has done that far too much at this point. It's getting really old and I'd like dead characters to stay dead from now on.

[thats1evildude]

I hear people complain about the resurrections the series has had, but they tend to forget all the characters who have died and stayed dead.

The list includes:

Spoiler

All of the supporting Origin characters who died (ie. the Couslands, Tamlen, Trian, etc.)
Alistair
Duncan
Ser Jory and Daveth
Cailan
Dog
Zevran (outside of a bugged import)
Wynne
Shale
Loghain
Arl Howe
Ser Cauthrien
Connor
Uldred
Zathrian and his clan
Witherfang/Swiftrunner
Bhelen/Harrowmont
Caridin/Branka
Jarvia
Avernus/Sophia Dryden (possessed)
Riordan
The Archdemon
Nathaniel Howe
Sigrun
Oghren (may come back in Awakening, but can die and has not returned)
The Architect (has not re-appeared, though he may return)
Utha
The Mother
Bethany/Carver
Leandra
Wesley
Merrill
Fenris
Anders (if killed in DA2, he's dead in DAI)
Meredith
Orsino
The Arishok
Quentin
Danarius
Castillion
Tarohne/Viveka
Keran
Grace/Ser Thrask
Sister Petrice
Grand Cleric Elthina
Seamus Dumar
Viscount Dumar
Gascard Dupuis
Bartrand
Javaris Tintop
Ketojan
Merrill's clan, including Keeper Marethari
Janeka/Larius
Duke Prosper
Cahir
Arlange
And a bunch of other minor characters

[Andraste_Reborn]

Yes, the vast majority of dead Dragon Age characters have remained dead. Which is as it should be.

 

I think Calpernia is actually example of this kind of thing being done well - there's no solid confirmation that she was killed, so it won't be a retcon when they bring her back. It's not going to be awkward like it was with Oghren, Leliana and Anders.

 

I mean, I guess people who don't like Calpernia will complain, but BioWare can easily fix that by letting the player kill her properly in DA4. If she is a companion, I think she should be like Zevran, Nathaniel and Velanna - someone you can fight or recruit depending on player preference. If she's a faction leader or some other kind of NPC she should be like the various potential Orlesian leaders. And I think that whatever they have planned for her should play out within the space of DA4, so they don't need to keep her alive in all world states in future.