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[in it for the lolz]

I'm not a DAI fan, but come on... Gearbox are just thieves. Bioware's better than that at least. 

 

Not being a thief isn't "greatness" either though.

And EA are not?!

[straykat]

And EA are not?!

 

Well... 

 

I figured to directly compare developers. Gearbox is the reason for ACM. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

A couple of days ago I saw an old ME3 panel discussion (at a ComicCon, I think). In that discussion a BW dev answered a question about BW and "evil" EA's role. He said that EA sometimes got an update about the progression of the game. He noted that as far as he knew, EA never asked to remove something. However, he did remember that someone from EA suggested to include a tool. Like any other suggestion it was evaluated to be included or not. Later that became the omnitool. The same BW dev told how he experienced the release of ME3 and the negative feedback it got. This was during a well earned holiday after a year of crunchtime. You could see that the feedback impacted him emotionally. Damn.

 

I knew similar cases already. I'm one of those people who criticize the game. I will not quit doing that, but it has changed the way how I word my critique. And yes, I can get carried away sometimes. But I believe that EA/BW is not only that large faceless corporation, but it is also a collection of hard working people who love the work they do. It is worth remembering that.

 

There is a lot to love in their games. I see improvements too, but I also notice that the writing and continuity are spiraling down. And after the ME3 ending it will be hard to come back. I hope they'll succeed.

[Monk]

Can i get a "meh"? It should be fun and feel like a labor of love from BioWare, not a demand from the EA.

[Killroy]

Tough ask to match the 134 GOTY's that DAI got...

 

Yeah, that's pretty much BS. Inquisition was getting perfect scores from reviewers than only played 10 hours(or less) of the game. Almost no professional reviewers bothered to finish the game before dishing out hyperbolic praise. Once that happened no website, magazine, etc could go back on their review without admitting that their reviews are total fabrications. 

[Seboist]

I just want a decent TPS where I kill aliens and get my character laid.

[Gwydden]

I don't think it will achieve greatness, whether they need to or not. Not for anything in particular that makes MEA unpromising, more because of some simple statistics. DAO is the only Bioware game I've played which I would qualify as great or at least coming close to it, and 1/7 is not a promising ratio when looking at the chances of the next game being as good. Would I like it to be? Hell yes, but I just don't expect it too. If it does it'll be a pleasant surprise.

 

As for "pretty good"... I don't expect it to be even that. I think it will just be okay. And I would probably buy it anyway because AAA story-driven RPGs are rare in today's market and isometric indie RPGs don't scratch quite the same itch. But seeing as I'll be giving up my money for it, I would certainly like it if it was at least pretty good. However, I think a game that is just okay will ultimately work to Bioware's detriment. The last game of theirs that was well received was ME2, I believe, and that was in 2010. DA2 and ME3? Terrible reception. DAI? Better, but still mixed. The more games that follow this trend more of the core fanbase will jump ship.

 

Of course, they may be replaced by brand new fans, in which case we will be the only ones to lose out.

[Squinterific]

Pretty good worked for DA:I, i don't see why it wouldn't for ME:A. I would like them to not bite more than they can chew. For me in this case, nothing is worse than a "so much wasted potential!" game that spreads itself too thin or tries to flabbergast its audience with its deep grasp of sci fi themes, but only manages to fall flat in the end (wink wink ME3 wink wink).

[FlyingSquirrel]

Myself I would be disappointed if Bioware settled with Mass Effect: Andromeda being merely adequate. The Mass Effect franchise is greatly loved and respected. Arguably it's the Star Wars or Star Trek of our generation, and as such has great emotional investment and passion from its fans. 

 

I don't think ME has really attained that status yet. Maybe it could eventually, if Bioware keeps the franchise going with well-received games and there's more widely known tie-in content beyond the novels and comics. Ultimately, it probably needs to become a successful television or movie franchise to have that kind of iconic role in pop culture. Almost everyone has at least heard of Star Trek and Star Wars, even if they've never seen either of them. Plenty of people probably still don't know what Mass Effect even is.

[straykat]

I don't think ME has really attained that status yet. Maybe it could eventually, if Bioware keeps the franchise going with well-received games and there's more widely known tie-in content beyond the novels and comics. Ultimately, it probably needs to become a successful television or movie franchise to have that kind of iconic role in pop culture. Almost everyone has at least heard of Star Trek and Star Wars, even if they've never seen either of them. Plenty of people probably still don't know what Mass Effect even is.

Mass Effect is pretty cool at times, but it isn't even close as a game.. let alone a cultural phenomenon. Not one of them even sold 10 million. You gotta be Skyrim or Pokemon or something for the world at large to know it.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Here's what I sometimes wonder about - what kind of feedback (if any) does BW get from users who aren't part of their fairly dedicated "fan base" that posts here and in other video game forums? Is it possible that there are a lot of people who buy their games, have basically no real complaints about any of them, and are somehow making their opinions heard to Bioware but not to anyone else?

 

Sometimes, and not just in Bioware games, I end up playing what I consider a badly designed or tedious mission and find myself wondering, "Did any of the beta testers actually like this? Or did players of previous games specifically say they wanted more of this kind of content?" With DA:I and Fallout 4, for example, were there Bioware and Bethesda fans saying that previous DA and Fallout games didn't have enough combat and that they really wanted 20, 30, or 40 more hours of it? Or are companies just responding to a vague desire for "more and bigger" without thinking in specific terms about how to keep the content fresh and interesting or how to justify it in story terms?

 

I guess another possibility is that they assume most players don't take the "character-shaping" aspect of gaming too seriously and will feel free to skip sidequests even if the story and dialogue are presented in a way to make them sound important. For me, I find it hard to do that, especially if I'm going to invest a lot of time in a game. After a while in DA:I, I had pretty much lost any expectation that many of the open environments were going to show me anything new beyond pretty graphics, but I also felt like the Inquisitor couldn't just ignore these things altogether.

[Kabraxal]

I place a heavy premium on characters and then exploration/lore. Those three games perfectly suit my preferences then even go above and beyond with great music and some great handling on faith/religion that isn't "it sucks!!!1!!1". So I stand by what I said.

[KaiserShep]

Seeing as DA:I made Aliens Colonial Marines look good (Yeah, I went there!), ME:A has to pull a rabbit out of the hat in order to keep EAWare alive, otherwise.... well, you all know what happened to Pandemic Studios.

I played Colonial Marines. All I can say is that crack kills.

[Addictress]

As long as they understand DA:I isn't acceptable, we're good.

[Gothfather]

It's no secret that BioWare's reputation has been on a downward trajectory. Dragon Age 2, while ambitious, was kind of a disaster thanks to EA rushing it out the door. ME3 was obviously a problem. And Inquisition was pretty much an empty box, devoid of quality content.

Now that gamers have access to multiple high-quality AAA RPGs this gen, with even more on the way, is it enough for BioWare to come to the table with a game that's just pretty good? Will enough consumers respond if BioWare puts out a game that isn't as good as their competitor's offerings? Will a 7/10 game salvage the Mass Effect franchise and keep BioWare on the radar of gamers? 

 Facts not in evidence.

 

Killroy normally you demand facts from people making statements for positions where are your facts? Sales have been ever increasing with Bioware games this suggests the exact opposite of your position. There is infact zero evidence to suggest that Bioware is in trouble. DA2 isn't as universally panned as it deserves in my opinion. ME3 has many people who had zero problem with the endings and DA:I is well liked as much as it is hated so again there is no evidence that Bioware is on a downward trend when their games are selling well and they are obtaining both fan awards and industry awards for their work.

 

All you are really saying is that YOU don't like the direction and frankly your individual opinion doesn't mean anything just like my individual opinion doesn't mean anything. People have been predicting the down fall of Bioware since Baldur's gate Ii which wasn't as good as the first to some players. Then there was teh Bioware betrayed their fans with Kotor because it wasn't an isometric infinity engine style RPG. People predicted ME and DA:O would ruin Bioware as they were abandoning their roots. Every time Bioware releases a game it is chicken little the sky is falling the only difference is it is a new set of fans each time. It isn't just a case of old fans vs new fans i have been with Bioware since the beginning. I don't always like what they do because they try new things each time they make game which is better than the yearly franchises that just repeat the same old crap year in and year out.

 

This same trend is seen with Bethesda and CDPR people hated Witcher 2 because it wasn't exactly like Witcher 1 and there were more than a few open world formate sucks for witcher series on the forums. Bethesda had the Morrowind is selling out to the graphics crowd and you can see this in how small their dungeons are compared to daggerfall. Oblivion is the killing teh series because they abandoned unarmoured and spear combat. Fallout 3 is a betrayal of series because it isn't an exact duplicate of the originals. Skyrim is ruining the series appealing to casuals. On and on it goes. You know the one thing these games all have in common? They out sold their predecessor in their respected studio. This is not the sign of studios in trouble.

[straykat]

 Facts not in evidence.

 

Killroy normally you demand facts from people making statements for positions where are your facts? Sales have been ever increasing with Bioware games this suggests the exact opposite of your position. There is infact zero evidence to suggest that Bioware is in trouble. DA2 isn't as universally panned as it deserves in my opinion. ME3 has many people who had zero problem with the endings and DA:I is well liked as much as it is hated so again there is no evidence that Bioware is on a downward trend when their games are selling well and they are obtaining both fan awards and industry awards for their work.

 

All you are really saying is that YOU don't like the direction and frankly your individual opinion doesn't mean anything just like my individual opinion doesn't mean anything. People have been predicting the down fall of Bioware since Baldur's gate Ii which wasn't as good as the first to some players. Then there was teh Bioware betrayed their fans with Kotor because it wasn't an isometric infinity engine style RPG. People predicted ME and DA:O would ruin Bioware as they were abandoning their roots. Every time Bioware releases a game it is chicken little the sky is falling the only difference is it is a new set of fans each time. It isn't just a case of old fans vs new fans i have been with Bioware since the beginning. I don't always like what they do because they try new things each time they make game which is better than the yearly franchises that just repeat the same old crap year in and year out.

 

This same trend is seen with Bethesda and CDPR people hated Witcher 2 because it wasn't exactly like Witcher 1 and there were more than a few open world formate sucks for witcher series on the forums. Bethesda had the Morrowind is selling out to the graphics crowd and you can see this in how small their dungeons are compared to daggerfall. Oblivion is the killing teh series because they abandoned unarmoured and spear combat. Fallout 3 is a betrayal of series because it isn't an exact duplicate of the originals. Skyrim is ruining the series appealing to casuals. On and on it goes. You know the one thing these games all have in common? They out sold their predecessor in their respected studio. This is not the sign of studios in trouble.

 

I don't see how it applies to Bethesda. They all wear money hats. 

 

I think a difference with DAI is it probably cost as much, if not, more than the Witcher.. and certainly more than their older games. But did it actually sell enough to justify it? I have no clue either way. They're vague and tightlipped. But as for the previous conversation, all me and Killroy wanted to know was about People's choice/fan awards. That's a better indicator than 100 awards from publications.

[Gothfather]

Yeah, that's pretty much BS. Inquisition was getting perfect scores from reviewers than only played 10 hours(or less) of the game. Almost no professional reviewers bothered to finish the game before dishing out hyperbolic praise. Once that happened no website, magazine, etc could go back on their review without admitting that their reviews are total fabrications. 

 

Or they just don't share your SUBJECTIVE view. I certainly don't I think DA:I is one of Bioware's best games. But this is typical gamer BS. My SUBJECTIVE view is somehow objectively correct even when you show evidence to people like, well over 100 goty awards for DA:I. A mature person would just accept that oh well I don't share the majority's view on this. Nope instead gamers start spewing conspiracy theories like EA bought off awards, those awards don't count because 2014 was a weak year in gaming. Pfft if DA:I was crap it wouldn't get over 100 goty awards period even in a weak year it won because people like the enough to vote for it be it fan or critic. Now it is the critics couldn't possibly have played the game because i hate it so they must have lied about their feelings about the game.

 

You don't like the game so what. I don't like Diablo 3 and that was a huge success for Blizzard. I don't claim the game is crap or that people who gave it good scores are lying simply because they don't share my position I just do the MATURE thing and accept my tastes don't line up with the majority. Hell I hate transistor which I bought on steam recently and it has huge fan support. I just don't like it not going to justify my subjective tastes nor am I going to accuse the supporters of stupid things simply because we don't share the same subjective tastes.

 

"I hate peaches any food critic that gives a positive review of a peach obviously is fabricating their review but of course no food magazine, show or website could admit this as that would be saying their reviews are fabricated." This is how ridiculous your position is.

[straykat]

Or they just don't share your SUBJECTIVE view. I certainly don't I think DA:I is one of Bioware's best games. But this is typical gamer BS. My SUBJECTIVE view is somehow objectively correct even when you show evidence to people like, well over 100 goty awards for DA:I. A mature person would just accept that oh well I don't share the majority's view on this. Nope instead gamers start spewing conspiracy theories like EA bought off awards, those awards don't count because 2014 was a weak year in gaming. Pfft if DA:I was crap it wouldn't get over 100 goty awards period even in a weak year it won because people like the enough to vote for it be it fan or critic. Now it is the critics couldn't possibly have played the game because i hate it so they must have lied about their feelings about the game.

 

You don't like the game so what. I don't like Diablo 3 and that was a huge success for Blizzard. I don't claim the game is crap or that people who gave it good scores are lying simply because they don't share my position I just do the MATURE thing and accept my tastes don't line up with the majority. Hell I hate transistor which I bought on steam recently and it has huge fan support. I just don't like it not going to justify my subjective tastes nor am I going to accuse the supporters of stupid things simply because we don't share the same subjective tastes.

 

"I hate peaches any food critic that gives a positive review of a peach obviously is fabricating their review but of course no food magazine, show or website could admit this as that would be saying their reviews are fabricated." This is how ridiculous your position is.

 

Why is this about me? I asked a simple question and you're doing what the other guy did. Attack about random things.

 

It's not as angry, but that's what it is.

 

I didn't even say anything overtly negative. I said I "don't know" what sales they made. And I want to know what user driven awards they won. 

[Laughing_Man]

Or they just don't share your SUBJECTIVE view. I certainly don't I think DA:I is one of Bioware's best games. But this is typical gamer BS. My SUBJECTIVE view is somehow objectively correct even when you show evidence to people like, well over 100 goty awards for DA:I. A mature person would just accept that oh well I don't share the majority's view on this. Nope instead gamers start spewing conspiracy theories like EA bought off awards, those awards don't count because 2014 was a weak year in gaming.

 

You are using the same hyperbole yourself.

 

It IS a fact that 2014 was a weak year for gaming, and it IS a fact that many reviewers are under pressure to review many games and barely have time to invest in playing something like an RPG that includes exploration, much less play it in the same way most people would, and get the review out on time.

[mopotter]

Greatness or pretty good - depends on whose judging and I'll be happy as long as it's a game I enjoy replaying.

 

I want a game with a story and characters I care about, whether I love them or dislike them, BioWare has always been good at that.

 

I've enjoyed all of the games I've played (did not play Shattered Steel or Sonic).  I Loved JE and cared about the DA series, Origins and Inquisition more than 2 but I enjoyed 2.  I loved ME1 and 2 and I love ME3 with the mod.  

 

I'll wait and see what it's like and if it's one I want to replay then for me it will be great.

[Kabraxal]

You are using the same hyperbole yourself.
 
It IS a fact that 2014 was a weak year for gaming, and it IS a fact that many reviewers are under pressure to review many games and barely have time to invest in playing something like an RPG that includes exploration, much less play it in the same way most people would, and get the review out on time.

Weird... that first one is clearly an opinion.

[Killroy]

I place a heavy premium on characters and then exploration/lore. Those three games perfectly suit my preferences then even go above and beyond with great music and some great handling on faith/religion that isn't "it sucks!!!1!!1". So I stand by what I said.

So when you say "discussion" you mean talking to yourself?
 

Facts not in evidence.

Really?

Killroy normally you demand facts from people making statements for positions where are your facts? Sales have been ever increasing with Bioware games

Facts not in evidence. You have no idea how many copies DAI sold, DA2 sold half as many copies as DAO, and Mass Effect 3 sold fewer copies than ME2.

this suggests the exact opposite of your position.

That must mean Call of Duty has a sterling reputation, right? And Madden?

There is infact zero evidence to suggest that Bioware is in trouble.

ME3 being so poorly received damaged EA's value. 

DA2 isn't as universally panned as it deserves in my opinion.

You're not helping your case.

ME3 has many people who had zero problem with the endings and DA:I is well liked as much as it is hated so again there is no evidence that Bioware is on a downward trend when their games are selling well and they are obtaining both fan awards and industry awards for their work.

Many people? How many is that? An equal number of people liked and disliked DAI? How is that a good sign? And if DAI is so awesome and well-received why won't EA/BioWare release sales figures?

All you are really saying is that YOU don't like the direction and frankly your individual opinion doesn't mean anything just like my individual opinion doesn't mean anything.

Go to any video game forum and ask if BioWare's rep is on the rise. You think it's just me?

[Killroy]

People have been predicting the down fall of Bioware since Baldur's gate Ii which wasn't as good as the first to some players. Then there was teh Bioware betrayed their fans with Kotor because it wasn't an isometric infinity engine style RPG. People predicted ME and DA:O would ruin Bioware as they were abandoning their roots.

The difference is that those games are almost universally loved. By your own admission BioWare's games now receive very mixed reactions.

Every time Bioware releases a game it is chicken little the sky is falling the only difference is it is a new set of fans each time.

Really? It's always just like it was with ME3? Baldur's Gate II was received just like that?

It isn't just a case of old fans vs new fans i have been with Bioware since the beginning. I don't always like what they do because they try new things each time they make game which is better than the yearly franchises that just repeat the same old crap year in and year out.

OK?

This same trend is seen with Bethesda and CDPR people hated Witcher 2 because it wasn't exactly like Witcher 1

Who exactly were these people? I don't even like the Witcher series but I know that that isn't true. At least not true of more than just a very small handful of players.

and there were more than a few open world formate sucks for witcher series on the forums. Bethesda had the Morrowind is selling out to the graphics crowd and you can see this in how small their dungeons are compared to daggerfall. Oblivion is the killing teh series because they abandoned unarmoured and spear combat. Fallout 3 is a betrayal of series because it isn't an exact duplicate of the originals. Skyrim is ruining the series appealing to casuals.

Again, tiny minorities. Irrelevant minorities.

On and on it goes. You know the one thing these games all have in common? They out sold their predecessor in their respected studio. This is not the sign of studios in trouble.

So they're not like ME3 and DAI then.

[mopotter]

As long as they understand DA:I isn't acceptable, we're good.

I enjoyed most of DA:I.  Have another game going now.  There are enough things to do or not to do so I can make characters who don't need to do everything that's out there.  Sure there are some changes that would  have been nice, miss the healer and I loved freezing things then smashing them, but on the whole I do not regret spending my money on it. 

[straykat]

If EA was transparent, and if someone just helped me know what user awards there were, this would all go easier.

 

I figure it is probably worth it for EA to not be transparent... they know best. Heh.. But i don't know why we can't get an answer to the other question.

 

But if someone just quoted the game box and said "over 130 awards!", and tried to shut down conversation, that isn't exactly helping.