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[Stinky3377]

I'm pretty sure they just melt with one clip of the Reeger but that pisses a lot of people off these days apparently.  I'd dual wield Reegers if I could.  Maybe they'll add that feature or gunzerker class in ME Andramaduh.  Either way nice vid OP.

[MrBSN2017]

Lash then smash.

[The_Nightman_Cometh]

   What did you say about my momma?     

[Stinky3377]

   What did you say about my momma?     

BOOM! - headshot.

[Darth Volus]

Ksssshhhk, I buy them off 

[Onewomanarmy]

I'm pretty sure they just melt with one clip of the Reeger but that pisses a lot of people off these days apparently.  I'd dual wield Reegers if I could.  Maybe they'll add that feature or gunzerker class in ME Andramaduh.  Either way nice vid OP.

 

Well mine is still only on level one but it's very strong and can almost melt it through with the one clip, I can imagine how strong it must be when it's maxed out! I really don't get the hate for it. No matter, it's still my favorite weapon 

[iM3GTR]

This is how I wish I could deal with a phantom............

but at least I can get really close by using a batarian or a turian with a scimitar.

This is how it should be...

[Darth Volus]

^ It's hiiiiiigh nooooon! 

[xelander]

@ OP

 

If you want to put up a guide series on how to deal with phantoms, perhaps your first part should describe the peculiarities of phantoms themselves - on/off-host shenanigans, sync-kill mode, palm blaster vs. melee behaviour and how each is triggered, penetration distance for double/triple hits, shield-gate damage thresholds for Gold/Plat, staggering, etc. Going into detail about each adept's specifics after that would make much more sense and would be more beneficial for the casual reader.

 

I would also advise against showcasing tactics with lolcolyte/Venom - any kit at level 1 can deal with phantoms with those weapons. By all means, include a section about stagger and which weapons are capable of it, but stick it in the general phantom post; the adepts section of your guide should focus on what is specific about their power set, dodge, shields, etc.

 

As it is, you simply provide a set of instructions to be followed blindly, and not a very versatile one, at that. You can do better.

[MeetYourNanny]

How to deal with those katana wielding freaks?

 

[yrael]

The volus one doesn't make sense. As long as you have a halfway decent gun on him that's capable of headshots, just go ahead with that after casting Stasis like you would with the human adept. And even if you don't have very precise aim, if you specced Stasis for damage taken before it breaks, you can gun her down while she's standing and quickly finish her off while she's momentarily slumped over on the ground.

 

And for ACA, Dark Channel staggers, so you'd have a moment to line up a headshot (again, if you have a gun that can perform them--I'd recommend a good high-powered pistol if possible*). Also, if you don't want to deal with the cooldown after detonating Dark Sphere, you could cast it, throw a swarm for one explosion, cast DC, detonate with another swarm. Arguably the second explosion isn't even necessary; at that point you could just leave and she'll die shortly anyway.

 

Phoenix Adept is missing the classic "Smash through walls repeatedly and hope for the best" tactic, which is my personal favorite.

 

EDIT: had to restart my computer in the middle of this, so now I'll continue. A lot of these are based on a kind of flimsy understanding of a lot of these characters, though, so proceed with caution.

 

For human adept: Shockwave can also go through walls, etc, so that's a safe alternative for the squishy and fearful adept. Staggering with Warp is a good choice for headshots, or it can be quickly detonated with Shockwave if you have a short enough cooldown. (Unless I'm misremembering and Warp doesn't stagger, but I'm fairly sure it does, at least with certain units.)

 

The Fury was lucky enough to be one of the few units blessed with DC. Similar headshot tactic to what you'd use for ACA. Alternatively, Annihilation Field -> Throw -> DC is also an option.

 

Both your tactics for AA are fine, but if you've specced Stasis for Bonus Power, you can potentially go Stasis -> immediate Throw -> Stasis again just in case, if you're really paranoid about missing with your next shot/power/whatever.

 

*Additional weapon options (bold = common/UC, and therefore easy to get to X; italicized = should be high level or cooldowns will be really awful):

• Any hitscan AR, SR or shotgun for characters with Stasis (if you prefer weapons builds), e.g. Saber, PPR, Valkyrie, Widow, Black Widow, Claymore, Collector Sniper Rifle
• Most pistols, e.g. Phalanx, Eagle, Carnifex, Paladin, Arc Pistol, Executioner Pistol, Suppressor, Talon--really anything but the Acolyte, Scorpion or Predator (unless you hate yourself, in which case go ahead and use the Predator)
• Phaeston or Lancer (Avenger is also an option if you have, like, basically no good weapons at all, though honestly I've seen competent players really make it work)
• Eviscerator, Disciple, Piranha or Wraith (again, high level recommended)
• Literally any SMG with reduced recoil (minus Shuriken because it's awful), unless you wanna be right up in her face
• Mantis, Raptor (autofire macro recommended), Incisor, Viper, Indra, Valiant

This is all assuming you've specced for Damage and Capacity, because why wouldn't you, but if you also specced for Weapon Weight then some of the level requirements don't matter as much and you could even afford to slap on an Executioner I, etc.

• Asari Justicar: AR
• Asari and drell: pistol
• Phoenix: shotgun and pistol
• Fury, vanilla human and Volus: all
• Krogan: shotgun
• Batarian Slasher: shotgun and SR

tl;dr: Have good aim. If you don't have good aim, have a strong and light weapon. If you don't have either of those, spam stagger/DoT/AoE powers and hope for the best.

[Deerber]

The Fury was lucky enough to be one of the few units blessed with DC. Similar headshot tactic to what you'd use for ACA. Alternatively, Annihilation Field -> Throw -> DC is also an option.

Didn't read everything, but this struck me. She was lucky enough to be blessed with a power that she should spec out of completely if you're looking to maximize her effectiveness

[yrael]

Didn't read everything, but this struck me. She was lucky enough to be blessed with a power that she should spec out of completely if you're looking to maximize her effectiveness

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.

 

Dark Channel is everything that is good in this world.

[GeneralXIV]

When im an Asari Adept I stasis the Phantom then throw then stasis again then throw and keep doing it until they die

[MeetYourNanny]

When im an Asari Adept I stasis the Phantom then throw then stasis again then throw and keep doing it until they die

be cautious with stasis and phantoms; phantoms develop an immunity  to stasis after few attempts

[GeneralXIV]

be cautious with stasis and phantoms; phantoms develop an immunity  to stasis after few attempts

 

They do??? Ummmm... well at least I play on low difficulty so theyre not alive after a few attempts   

[MeetYourNanny]

They do??? Ummmm... well at least I play on low difficulty so theyre not alive after a few attempts   

well as long as you kill em fast enough u should be safe

[GeneralXIV]

well as long as you kill em fast enough u should be safe

 

I do... I think... I dont know I never time myself haha

 

I love the Human Infiltrator with the Widow at the moment... I think thats my favorite class

[Loufi]

Didn't read everything, but this struck me. She was lucky enough to be blessed with a power that she should spec out of completely if you're looking to maximize her effectiveness

3 ranks in DC is perfectly fine, the last rank of the weapon passives is basically useless on her. A 4/4 split between DC and fitness, with a cyclonic, is great too.  

[MeetYourNanny]

I do... I think... I dont know I never time myself haha

 

I love the Human Infiltrator with the Widow at the moment... I think thats my favorite class

playing alot with GI and jav lately... not that i am getting better but its lot of fun

[yrael]

3 ranks in DC is perfectly fine, the last rank of the weapon passives is basically useless on her. A 4/4 split between DC and fitness, with a cyclonic, is great too.  

Yeah. Speccing out of DC entirely forces her to just be a glass cannon CQC class, which is really risky and not at all a feasible option for every player.

[Deerber]

3 ranks in DC is perfectly fine, the last rank of the weapon passives is basically useless on her. A 4/4 split between DC and fitness, with a cyclonic, is great too.

10% more weapon damage/some weight reduction (can't recall, I think I take the second) is not much, but still better than 3 ranks in a power I will use once every 3 matches on average

[yrael]

10% more weapon damage/some weight reduction (can't recall, I think I take the second) is not much, but still better than 3 ranks in a power I will use once every 3 matches on average

"This is how I generally play her" and "this is how everyone should play her" are very different things.

 

I think, considering this thread is about giving people options on how to deal with Phantoms as adepts, that it doesn't really make sense to say a person has to utilize a specific build or play style. Insisting on speccing out of an ability just because it doesn't fit with how you play the character is silly.

[Deerber]

"This is how I generally play her" and "this is how everyone should play her" are very different things.

I think, considering this thread is about giving people options on how to deal with Phantoms as adepts, that it doesn't really make sense to say a person has to utilize a specific build or play style. Insisting on speccing out of an ability just because it doesn't fit with how you play the character is silly.

I did say "if you want to maximize her effectiveness", so I don't see your point. Of course everyone is free to play their fury as they see fit, I thought that wasn't debatable.

[yrael]

I did say "if you want to maximize her effectiveness", so I don't see your point. Of course everyone is free to play their fury as they see fit, I thought that wasn't debatable.

Maximize her effectiveness within a specific play style, sure. If it works for you, then by all means. But different people can "maximize her effectiveness" in different ways.

 

But you also started talking about how it's pointless for you to spec into DC when you hardly use it, so once again, matter of preference.