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[Aren]

I find it funny that every time a user point out the Morrigan's betrayal some user feel the need to say that they are wrong even if there are many who feel in this way while making risible arguments in her defence, Oh please.

[German Soldier]

I find it funny that every time a user point out the Morrigan's betrayal some user feel the need to say that they are wrong even if there are many who feel in this way while making risible arguments in her defence, Oh please.

As i said they are simply unable to exit from their own personal soapbox world and will always say that everyone who had a different perception of her actions is wrong that's just show the level of bias  within them.

 

Morrigan actions are a form of betrayal since she has deceived the protagonist (deception=form of betrayal) and even caused damages to them against Flemeth while continuing the deception,if they are city elves she even suggest to kill their parents and on top of that despite what she gained from the warden she abandoned them so i'm not sure why she isn't worthy of the title of traitor even when Gaider put the option in the Dlc.

[Domakir]

I find it funny that every time a user point out the Morrigan's betrayal some user feel the need to say that they are wrong even if there are many who feel in this way while making risible arguments in her defence, Oh please.

Do those people know what a betrayal means? I'm very surprised that people who like Morrigan defend her actions with the DR especially if romanced or befriended.

[Aren]

Does those people know what a betrayal means?

I assume that instead to use its formal meaning (from a dictionary) they apply their own internal logic of betrayal=No less than a noble family murdered in cold blood and a castle sieged aka Arle Howe if it is not something equally outrageous is not a betrayal..

[Secret Rare]

Do those people know what a betrayal means? I'm very surprised that people who like Morrigan defend her actions with the DR especially if romanced or befriended.

Betrayal is the breaking or violation of a presumptive contract, trust, or confidence that produces moral and psychological conflict within a relationship amongst individuals, between organizations or between individuals and organizations.

 

So i'm not sure what kind of logic these persons are using in order to absolve Morrigan.

[Illegitimus]

What you said doesn't make sense it's not even a statement with coherence I have to presume that you are just grasping at straws at this point.

 

Treason is when you aid the enemies to your side.  

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Treason is when you aid the enemies to your side.  

That is not the definition of betrayal which is instead a word with a lot of shades,now i understand why some people in Bsn have problems with the meaning of this word.

[Aren]

Treason is when you aid the enemies to your side.  

It' precisely what i said in my previous post that people equate the word only to outrageous acts and don't even know its formal meaning.

[German Soldier]

Treason is when you aid the enemies to your side.  

Well i advise you to buy a dictionary then if you restricted the word only to that specific pattern

 

betrayal of trust

betrayal in love

betrayal of deception

ecc...not sure why you restrict the word to such level of specificity

[Donquijote and 59 others]

It' precisely what i said in my previous post that people equate the word only to outrageous acts and don't even know its formal meaning.

A girl who cheat on his boyfriend or vice versa is a form of betrayal as well but it does not involve any "aid the enemy" of the @Illegitimus nonsense.

No wonder why these people are defending Morrigan(or anyone else like Isablea or Solas) they believe the word has  only one meaning ,the one in their head.

[Heimerdinger]

I love how they butcher the language again and again, post after post, yet they give lectures on the meaning of words and tell others to buy dictionaries. But nevermind, let the show go on.

[ThomasBlaine]

What's actually hilarious is players who turn their characters into butthurt children who demand their feelings be respected above all else on pain of death by those they don't actually have authority over, think they have everything figured out based on short, vague explanations by people who aren't experts themselves and bend the situation into convenient shapes and sizes with strange logic often exaggerating, simplifying and over-dramatizing, and sometimes just outlandish.

 

And all for the sake of being contrary when faced with a beautiful, powerful and intelligent woman who has her own ideas about how the world could be saved and isn't interested in throwing herself at the archdemon and its army on principle.

 

But what really makes me roll around on the floor is people who think that bandying words like "betrayal" and "treason" around does anything whatsoever to justify killing and condemning someone over aforementioned butthurt feelings.

[Heimerdinger]

What's actually hilarious is players who turn their characters into butthurt children who demand their feelings to be respected above all else on pain of death, think they have everything figured out based on short, vague explanations by people who aren't experts themselves and bend the situation into convenient shapes and sizes with strange logic often exaggerating, simplifying and over-dramatizing, and sometimes just outlandish.

 

And all for the sake of being contrary when faced with a beautiful, powerful and intelligent woman who has her own ideas about how the world could be saved and isn't interested in throwing herself at the archdemon and its army on principle.

 

But what really makes me roll around on the floor is people who think that bandying words like "betrayal" and "treason" around does anything whatsoever to justify killing and condemning someone over aforementioned butthurt feelings.

 

They remind me of Joffrey Baratheon:

 

"Traitors! Kill them! Kill them all! I demand it, I'm the King!"

[German Soldier]

I love how they butcher the language again and again, post after post, yet they give lectures on the meaning of words and tell others to buy dictionaries. But nevermind, let the show go on.

If it is the same show of @Illegitimus of "let's reply with totally unrelated posts" to the thread then i'm not sure i'm interested in.

Then again what's matter?English language? I'm native of Germany of course there are grammatical mistakes in some of my statements.

[Lunatica]

 

 

And all for the sake of being contrary when faced with a beautiful, powerful and intelligent woman

I stopped reading here sorry i didn't finish to laugh yet.

 

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[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

I stopped reading here sorry i didn't finish to laugh yet.

 

Intelligent?

The same woman who utterly failed at giving any logistical advice in DAO and that ultimately ended up  being magically enslaved by some ghost Lol

[ThomasBlaine]

They remind me of Joffrey Baratheon:

 

"Traitors! Kill them! Kill them all! I demand it, I'm the King!"

 

Yup. A sane man might have felt humiliated, hurt and yes, "betrayed", and kicked the lady out on the street while he nursed his pride and figured out how to handle it sensibly. But oh no, nobody "betrays" the Warden and lives to tell the tale. Off with the head!

 

I stopped reading here sorry i didn't finish to laugh yet.

 

 

If it is the same show of @Illegitimus of "let's reply with totally unrelated posts" to the thread then i'm not sure i'm interested in.

Then again what's matter?English language? I'm native of Germany of course there are grammatical mistakes in some of my statements.

 

 

Aaaw. It's a good thing you guys don't have an actual argument, or the fact that you couldn't phrase it would be a real shame.

 

Intelligent?

The same woman who utterly failed at giving any logistical advice in DAO and that ultimately ended up  being magically enslaved by some ghost Lol

 

A slightly awkward way to get the point that she isn't perfect across, but your contribution is noted.

[Lunatica]

They remind me of Joffrey Baratheon:

 

"Traitors! Kill them! Kill them all! I demand it, I'm the King!"

 

Yup. A sane man might have felt humiliated, hurt and yes, "betrayed", and kicked the lady out on the street while he nursed his pride and figured out how to handle it sensibly. But oh no, nobody "betrays" the Warden and lives to tell the tale. Off with the head!

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure how i could take seriously users when they make posts like those above.

There is a way?

[German Soldier]

I'm not sure how i could take seriously users when they make posts like those above.

There is a way?

Is what i stated earlier.

This kind of users are stagnant on their positions and will always deem everyone else perspective who do not share their same view of Morrigan actions in DAO as being wrong or being "childish" no matter how many people will disagree with them. They live in their own galaxy,in the end there is no  point in creating a never ending spiral with these persons.

[ThomasBlaine]

I'm not sure how i could take seriously users when they make posts like those above.

There is a way?

 

 

Is what i stated earlier.

This kind of users are stagnant on their positions and will always deem everyone else perspective who do not share their same view of Morrigan actions in DAO as being wrong or being "childish" no matter how many people will disagree with them. They live in their own galaxy,in the end there is no  point in creating a never ending spiral with these persons.

 

 

I'd point to the first solid half of this page, which is basically you guys going "Damn, those people who disagree with us? So wrong. And funny. And they don't know what "betray" means. Or they think it's a thoroughly outdated and ridiculous way to make it sound like someone hurting your feelings has some kind of cosmic significance that justifies murder. Or something. Who knows, it's not like they have a point worth arguing or thinking about. Hohoho. No they don't. They're so funny and wrong." in a circle like a pack of self-congratulatory stray dogs licking each other in the middle of the street where everyone can see you.

 

In terms of never-ending spirals and being stagnant, impossible to take seriously and completely in your own galaxy, you're not really in any position to throw stones.

[MichaelN7]

All right, Heimerdinger, German Soldier, and whoever else...

I know my posts are lengthier than most, and even though I feel they are well thought-out considering we're discussing an RPG, and even though I have a gift for seeing things from other sides, I readily admit that I am only one person, so there will doubtless by other points of view that I am not aware of.

German Soldier, you bring up a good point with Alistair and whether it's betrayal or steadfastness.

Heimerdinger, you make a good case about what loyalty really is and how it applies to an individual related to the group.



But there has to be a better way to talk about this, and all the other topics on here, without resorting to petty jabs and sarcasm.

I'm sure if we were all in a room, face-to-face, we'd have a grand old time, but that's because we'd have the benefit of body language, tone of voice, and common interest.

So the things we'd say would take on a different meaning.

If I say "That was lame!" in a post, I'd look like a troll.
But if I say the exact same thing to my friend on the shooting range because he missed his last shot, there's the friendly smile and the elbow nudge, all the body language and such shows that it's just friendly ribbing.

But here, we only have the common interest, we can't see each other, and the things we say may not come across as we intended, so we need to be mindful of what we DO say, otherwise we get this downward spiral.

We don't need to let the "Darkspawn" or "Reapers" win here.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I'd point to the first solid half of this page, which is basically you guys going "Damn, those people who disagree with us? So wrong. And funny. And they don't know what "betray" means. Or they think it's a thoroughly outdated and ridiculous way to make it sound like someone hurting your feelings has some kind of cosmic significance that justifies murder. Or something. Who knows, it's not like they have a point worth arguing or thinking about. Hohoho. No they don't. They're so funny and wrong." in a circle like a pack of self-congratulatory stray dogs licking each other in the middle of the street where everyone can see you.

 

In terms of never-ending spirals and being stagnant, impossible to take seriously and completely in your own galaxy, you're not really in any position to throw stones.

Words spoken from the first Morrigan defender of bsn whom best argument was something like to  " oh look how beautiful,intelligent,powerful she is".I'm not even so surprised to be honest since i already heard many gibberish arguments across threads in regard of Morrigan coming from you especially when it comes to Redcliffe and the circle tower.

[Illegitimus]

 

A girl who cheat on his boyfriend or vice versa is a form of betrayal as well but it does not involve any "aid the enemy" of the @Illegitimus nonsense.

 

What it isn't is "being a traitor". 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

What it isn't is "being a traitor". 

That's a form of betrayal now i'm not sure anymore what kind of distinction you are making between betrayal and traitor.

deceiving= to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.

Is what Morrigan did to the Dalish and the warden and is a form of betrayal the logic is pretty simple here.

[Lunatica]

It doesn't matter what your relationship with her was. You were meant to be used and ditched at the cost of being used to create something inhuman.I totally understand the betrayal PoV which is far worse with the romance.