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He goes on at length to explain how he didn't even see non-elvhen (and I use that spelling because modern elves were out) as people. Even now he thinks mass extermination is OK to bring back his people, and throughout the game he advances ridiculously racist views. Solas is a racist. A beloved racist, but certainly a racist.

 

Yep Solas is one of those grandpa racists longing for the good old days (nevermind that there never were any good old days).

 

Really looking forwards to throwing his asinine logic in his face.



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Definitely. But that was one of the excuses waved around, and is eerily similar to Solas' own.

 

EDIT: If a less recent example would prove less polemic, an analogy can be drawn to the Romans conquering, ravaging and subjugating entire "barbarian" civilizations for the glory of Rome. They didn't even try to hide they were selfish assholes (Julius Caesar praised the Gauls' resistance in his little book): who the #$#@ cares that we're killing them by the thousands, destroying their holy sites, outlawing their religion, sacking their cities and temples, and taxing them like there's no tomorrow? Patriotism, @!$#! Rome deserves better than everyone else!

that's actually a much worse example

 

Caesar himself was widely criticized for his approach to the war in Gaul, he was condemned as a war criminal and self serving ambitious man by those back in Rome



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that's actually a much worse example

 

Caesar himself was widely criticized for his approach to the war in Gaul, he was condemned as a war criminal and self serving ambitious man by those back in Rome

The dominant Roman narrative was that any sacrifice, personal or external, was justified for Rome. The criticism JC (not the Jewish one, or the one from Deus Ex) received was largely due to his political enemies, who I doubt would have been much more cavalier in his place. And he received faaaaaaaar more flack for his actions in Egypt or, worse yet, for fighting Roman legions in North Africa, than he ever did for massacring Gauls, Germans and Britons.

 

But the important thing is, Caesar was one man, although largely a result of his culture. He was able to kill the Gauls in their own land in an attempt to subjugate them that he himself, in a book made up of reports to the Senate and written to make him look cool to the people of Rome, outright said that "the human spirit yearns for freedom and will do anything to achieve it" (paraphrasing) in reference to the Gauls.

 

Hence the parallel to Solas. Just one man (and a revolutionary, not unlike Caesar by the way) justifying horrible actions driven by pure selfishness and what he insists is the superiority of his culture, and even going as far as admitting what he is doing is evil, but a necessary evil. At any rate, this thread is not about Solas... though while we're comparing, Caesar's posthumous deification is an interesting precedent that would put a dent in the whole thing about immortal mages not being gods.



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The dominant Roman narrative was that any sacrifice, personal or external, was justified for Rome. The criticism JC (not the Jewish one, or the one from Deus Ex) received was largely due to his political enemies, who I doubt would have been much more cavalier in his place. And he received faaaaaaaar more flack for his actions in Egypt or, worse yet, for fighting Roman legions in North Africa, than he ever did for massacring Gauls, Germans and Britons.

 

But the important thing is, Caesar was one man, although largely a result of his culture. He was able to kill the Gauls in their own land in an attempt to subjugate them that he himself, in a book made up of reports to the Senate and written to make him look cool to the people of Rome, outright said that "the human spirit yearns for freedom and will do anything to achieve it" (paraphrasing) in reference to the Gauls.

 

Hence the parallel to Solas. Just one man (and a revolutionary, not unlike Caesar by the way) justifying horrible actions driven by pure selfishness and what he insists is the superiority of his culture, and even going as far as admitting what he is doing is evil, but a necessary evil. At any rate, this thread is not about Solas... though while we're comparing, Caesar's posthumous deification is an interesting precedent that would put a dent in the whole thing about immortal mages not being gods.

Except it wasn't, Cato the Younger in particular was very vocal about the wrongdoings he was waging in Gaul in the name of Rome, he just wasn't in any position to do more than criticize him because Caesar had money, power, and an army.  Sure he also had political reasons to oppose him, but the fact remains many Roman politicians and others were also shocked and horrified by his campaigns in Gaul.



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Except it wasn't, Cato the Younger in particular was very vocal about the wrongdoings he was waging in Gaul in the name of Rome, he just wasn't in any position to do more than criticize him because Caesar had money, power, and an army.  Sure he also had political reasons to oppose him, but the fact remains many Roman politicians and others were also shocked and horrified by his campaigns in Gaul.

For the purposes of full disclosure, I should probably say I'm a Caesar fanboy and don't think very highly of Cato; therefore, I feel inclined to take anything the latter says criticizing the former with a heavy dose of cynicism. I wouldn't mind having a more in-depth discussion on the subject but, like I said, it's not strictly on-topic, so I suppose that's enough with the historical analogies.

 

More on the subject at hand, I feel it's important to point out that while the Maker may be unfalsifiable, Andrastianism isn't. Andrastianism has been proven wrong over and over, and I suspect that will continue to be the case. Of course, for a game that really tried to push down the faith theme like DAI, it is rather ironic how it only seemed to apply the concept to Andraste. Not saying it was necessarily a bad call, but it stands out like a sore thumb.



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Yep Solas is one of those grandpa racists longing for the good old days (nevermind that there never were any good old days).

 

Really looking forwards to throwing his asinine logic in his face.

Beings old of thousands of years(the list is very long in this IP) should really start to consider retirement....



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that's actually a much worse example

 

Caesar himself was widely criticized for his approach to the war in Gaul, he was condemned as a war criminal and self serving ambitious man by those back in Rome

 

To be fair, there were political reasons as to why Caesar was criticized so much. He already had made several enemies that looked for any excuse to ****** about him.

 

Still, yeah, consensus seems to be that his campaign in Gaul was brutal even for the time.



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More on the subject at hand, I feel it's important to point out that while the Maker may be unfalsifiable, Andrastianism isn't. Andrastianism has been proven wrong over and over, and I suspect that will continue to be the case. Of course, for a game that really tried to push down the faith theme like DAI, it is rather ironic how it only seemed to apply the concept to Andraste. Not saying it was necessarily a bad call, but it stands out like a sore thumb.

well not really I don't think.  Let's run by the main tenets and see where we get.

 

1.  The Maker created the world and the Fade.  Possible, neither Tevinter nor the Dalish attribute the creation of the world to any specific deity so his role there is possible.

2.  The Maker put up the Veil to separate the Mortal world and the Fade, untrue we know that Solas was responsible for this, and ignoring any "the Maker was working through Solas" ideas we can call this one firmly false.

3.  The Maker turned from the world because of their sinful ways, unverifiable.

4.  The Golden City was his home and after it was breached by the Magisters they were turned out as darkspawn, true insofar as the darkspawn element goes, however its unlikely that he resided there and also unlikely he is the originator of the Blight.

5.  He turned his gaze back to the world because of the voice of Andraste, unverifiable

6.  He helped Andraste wage her war against the Imperium through the use of famine and disease, unverifiable

7. He took Andraste to his side after she was betrayed and executed and turned once more from the world, unverifiable

8. He will not return to the world until the Chant of Light is spread throughout the world.  unverifiable

 

Nowhere in Inquisition or the other games have we gotten firm evidence to disprove the existence of Andraste.  I'd say the credibility of the faith has been tarnished, but there's no evidence that many of the central tenets are untenable.



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He goes on at length to explain how he didn't even see non-elvhen (and I use that spelling because modern elves were out) as people. Even now he thinks mass extermination is OK to bring back his people, and throughout the game he advances ridiculously racist views. Solas is a racist. A beloved racist, but certainly a racist.

The man is not a racist he's just an opinionated person and he's emotionally a dumb person when it comes to the Qun and elves joining them.
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I don't blame him for hating that about elves and the Qun. But I suspect my reasons are different. I think the elves (rightly) want justice, and don't get it enough... so they are lured by the Qunari. Except the Qunari are no different than every other totalitarian state who promises justice. People never learn. And that isn't racism. It's history, repeated over and over... and over... and over.. and over again. Solas probably isn't looking at in philosophical terms as much as I am (where I'm shaped by real life events).. he's probably focused on race more than I am.



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Solas does not consider his actions are evil because he does not believe in the concept of good and evil, just cause and effect.     He regrets his action will result in a loss of life partly because it conflicts with his belief that "every free thinking individual has the right to exist".   He overcomes this objection by convincing himself that the modern world is broken, its people are broken even if he were to acknowledge them as his own, who for the majority he doesn't.    He states "I am not a monster", more because he knows that is how a friendly Inquisitor, for whom he had respect, might perceive him, not because he regards himself as a potential monster for his actions.  It bothers him that someone he respected might think badly of him, not enough to stop his plan, but enough to admit "you deserve better".     He wants to save his people and it is regrettable that will result in the annihilation of those not his people but he even suggests to a friendly Inquisitor that they would do the same.   To him numbers are immaterial, it is the general principle that counts.   If you destroy his people in order to stop him, then in his mind you will have proved him right.  You are just choosing one set of people (yours) over another set of people (his).   Just as if a pack of wolves kill a beer that is threatening them in order to survive or you killed a dragon and its babies in order to maintain the safety of a village.

 

If he does not respect the Inquisitor you could argue that his responses are more honest and give a clearer insight into his thinking.  There is "no benefit" to himself in letting innocents come to harm before it's necessary, so that is why he helped against the Qun.   Also "The Qunari offend me".   This is because their philosophy denies the free will of the individual.   He saves the Inquisitor because chaos and panic would ensure if they died.   It fits with his plans that southern Thedas is at peace and complaisant about the danger.   He will have observed that the nobility in Ferelden never got off their sorry a***s during the Breach to help the common people, so are unlikely to be motivated to do anything now.   The nobility of Orlais are too busy engaged in their own Game.   He has effectively undermined the trust in the organisation that could be effective against him and probably guesses that their power will be stripped back as a result.   He will likely still have agents if he wishes to keep an eye on things and direct events as he wishes.   (I liked to think that he wasn't expecting the Inquisitor to simply disband because people in power generally do not easily relinquish it).  

 

I don't know if the terms we use in the modern world really apply to Solas.    If Solas was killing the other races so his people could take over in the current world, that would be racist because that is his principle aim, to replace one group with another.   What he is doing is "correcting" the current world by restoring it to its natural state (with no Veil) and thus restoring his people to their natural state.     If the current races manage to survive the change, he is not going to kill them and would likely encourage peaceful co-operation between the two.   It is just that he doesn't envisage them being able to survive it.  In fact calling him racist is too narrow a term.   It is not just the humans, qunari and dwarves that will die, but all the other flora and fauna of the world, if it is going to be a mass extinction event.   That goes way beyond mere racist.

 

I'm not defending his actions, just trying to understand the way his minds works.

 

Actually it begs the question, why does he think that only his people will survive?   He talks of fiery chaos but that would surely affect his people too?   Is he going to hide them somewhere, the Crossroads perhaps, until it is all over?     Were there no humans around at all before he raised the Veil?     The timeline suggests there were.   The dwarves certainly were.  The Neromenians were already in the north when the elves felt the Quickening.   Where were they before that?   


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The man is not a racist he's just an opinionated person and he's emotionally a dumb person when it comes to the Qun and elves joining them.


He's not dumb for loathing the Qun. One person isn't dumb just because he dislikes a particular society, regardless if he's right or wrong (I'd agree with him, though I don't have a good opinion of most/all countries in thedas).

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Solas does not consider his actions are evil because he does not believe in the concept of good and evil, just cause and effect.     He regrets his action will result in a loss of life partly because it conflicts with his belief that "every free thinking individual has the right to exist".   He overcomes this objection by convincing himself that the modern world is broken, its people are broken even if he were to acknowledge them as his own, who for the majority he doesn't.    He states "I am not a monster", more because he knows that is how a friendly Inquisitor, for whom he had respect, might perceive him, not because he regards himself as a potential monster for his actions.  It bothers him that someone he respected might think badly of him, not enough to stop his plan, but enough to admit "you deserve better".     He wants to save his people and it is regrettable that will result in the annihilation of those not his people but he even suggests to a friendly Inquisitor that they would do the same.   To him numbers are immaterial, it is the general principle that counts.   If you destroy his people in order to stop him, then in his mind you will have proved him right.  You are just choosing one set of people (yours) over another set of people (his).   Just as if a pack of wolves kill a beer that is threatening them in order to survive or you killed a dragon and its babies in order to maintain the safety of a village.

 

If he does not respect the Inquisitor you could argue that his responses are more honest and give a clearer insight into his thinking.  There is "no benefit" to himself in letting innocents come to harm before it's necessary, so that is why he helped against the Qun.   Also "The Qunari offend me".   This is because their philosophy denies the free will of the individual.   He saves the Inquisitor because chaos and panic would ensure if they died.   It fits with his plans that southern Thedas is at peace and complaisant about the danger.   He will have observed that the nobility in Ferelden never got off their sorry a***s during the Breach to help the common people, so are unlikely to be motivated to do anything now.   The nobility of Orlais are too busy engaged in their own Game.   He has effectively undermined the trust in the organisation that could be effective against him and probably guesses that their power will be stripped back as a result.   He will likely still have agents if he wishes to keep an eye on things and direct events as he wishes.   (I liked to think that he wasn't expecting the Inquisitor to simply disband because people in power generally do not easily relinquish it).  

 

I don't know if the terms we use in the modern world really apply to Solas.    If Solas was killing the other races so his people could take over in the current world, that would be racist because that is his principle aim, to replace one group with another.   What he is doing is "correcting" the current world by restoring it to its natural state (with no Veil) and thus restoring his people to their natural state.     If the current races manage to survive the change, he is not going to kill them and would likely encourage peaceful co-operation between the two.   It is just that he doesn't envisage them being able to survive it.  In fact calling him racist is too narrow a term.   It is not just the humans, qunari and dwarves that will die, but all the other flora and fauna of the world, if it is going to be a mass extinction event.   That goes way beyond mere racist.

 

I'm not defending his actions, just trying to understand the way his minds works.

 

Actually it begs the question, why does he think that only his people will survive?   He talks of fiery chaos but that would surely affect his people too?   Is he going to hide them somewhere, the Crossroads perhaps, until it is all over?     Were there no humans around at all before he raised the Veil?     The timeline suggests there were.   The dwarves certainly were.  The Neromenians were already in the north when the elves felt the Quickening.   Where were they before that?   

 

I think his "people" are none other than spirits in the Fade. 



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Still doesn't answer what the situation was before he raised the Veil.     The elves may have been spirits back then but what about the dwarves?      Where were all the proto-humans?    Besides his words to Flemeth make no sense if he is talking about spirits.   "The People need me", or to the Inquisitor about saving his People.     Whereas when he talks to Abelas he says: "Your People yet linger."    Abelas is an ancient elf from before the Veil.    Felassan was an ancient elf from before the Veil.   Solas is an ancient elf from before the Veil.   They are not just spirits, although they may have their origins in spirits. Naturally if he is going to simply restore them to their embryo form, wisps, so they can begin again from scratch, then that would explain why it is going to indirectly "save them" but he could just as easily encourage them to die in the normal way, their spirit return to the  Fade and everyone is happy.   There is clearly more to it than that.



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Still doesn't answer what the situation was before he raised the Veil.     The elves may have been spirits back then but what about the dwarves?      Where were all the proto-humans?    Besides his words to Flemeth make no sense if he is talking about spirits.   "The People need me", or to the Inquisitor about saving his People.     Whereas when he talks to Abelas he says: "Your People yet linger."    Abelas is an ancient elf from before the Veil.    Felassan was an ancient elf from before the Veil.   Solas is an ancient elf from before the Veil.   They are not just spirits, although they may have their origins in spirits. Naturally if he is going to simply restore them to their embryo form, wisps, so they can begin again from scratch, then that would explain why it is going to indirectly "save them" but he could just as easily encourage them to die in the normal way, their spirit return to the  Fade and everyone is happy.   There is clearly more to it than that.

 

True about this. But, we know Solas omitted some facts during the entire game.  

 

I'd imagine three things:

 

1. After the defeat of Corypheus and prior to Tresspasser, Solas learned something that made him decide to bring down the Veil. What was it? 

 

2. After absorbing Mythal, Solas may have gained knowledge from her. What does Mythal know? 

 

3. Solas may know something and believes he can bring down the Veil. But, what if there's something he doesn't know about the Veil and whole situation with the Evanuris? What if bringing it down will result in something that even he doesn't anticipate it?



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  They are not just spirits, although they may have their origins in spirits. Naturally if he is going to simply restore them to their embryo form, wisps, so they can begin again from scratch, then that would explain why it is going to indirectly "save them" but he could just as easily encourage them to die in the normal way, their spirit return to the  Fade and everyone is happy.   There is clearly more to it than that.

 

Thing is Solas is far from happy about the veil , it goes beyond restoring elves , it's a world he wants to restore where spirits can frolick in Thedas , where elves can frolick into the fade ...and it seems the difference between elves and spirit in the pre veil world was a bit thin.

Spirits are called "brethen of the air" and "those who never manifested outside the fade" , the Forbidden Ones who are demons  are said to have "cast aside form " and ran to hide into the fade.

 

With the veil a demon has trouble manifesting itself out of the fade , it needs a host or you've got shades ...

It seems pre veil taking form wasn't such a huge deal .

Besides we've got Cole .If it's possible with the veil when everything magical and the likes is harder , it was probably possible back in the days.



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He's not dumb for loathing the Qun. One person isn't dumb just because he dislikes a particular society, regardless if he's right or wrong (I'd agree with him, though I don't have a good opinion of most/all countries in thedas).

But he dumb on an emotional level because he brought upon the misery of his own people that they have to face the injustice, being enslaved, raped, and murdered under human rule. So they turned to the Qun for protection and to have a better life, he of all people should know why the elves join them because of that. He should've hate the Imperium even more because they the ones who enslaved his people and killing them by blood magic, and the Qun doesn't do that evil to no one. It makes me think that the writers of the game don't know what to write about Solas.

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He made it clear why he hates the Qun.   He is not keen on Tevinter either but in Tevinter at least a "slave can dream of freedom".   So far as he is concerned the Qun take all your individuality, so that you don't even dream of freedom.   One of Solas' core driving beliefs is the freedom of the individual.   He would place that above order and security.    After all we only have his word that the Evanuris were terrible tyrants or their people unwilling slaves.    Much of the time the memories in the Library seem to show pretty contented people.   They may be working hard raising a statue or building the Grand Sonallium but they seem to be doing it willingly enough.  The Evanuris could have ordered their society very much like the Qun, with them deciding everyone's role.   May be that is why he hates the Qun so much, because it does remind him of the elven society that he destroyed.

 

He is not trying to restore that society but the world it was contained in.

 

Incidentally the Qun don't need blood magic to control people's minds.   If they can't convince you to their way of thinking they fill you full of Qamek and turn you into a mindless hive worker.   Blood sacrifice is evil but so is destroying a person's mind.     My sympathies are with the people of Seheron who have been having to put up with both of them in one way or another for hundreds and in the case of Tevinter, may be thousands of years.   Liberating Seheron from them both is on my to do list.



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He made it clear why he hates the Qun. He is not keen on Tevinter either but in Tevinter at least a "slave can dream of freedom". So far as he is concerned the Qun take all your individuality, so that you don't even dream of freedom. One of Solas' core driving beliefs is the freedom of the individual. He would place that above order and security. After all we only have his word that the Evanuris were terrible tyrants or their people unwilling slaves. Much of the time the memories in the Library seem to show pretty contented people. They may be working hard raising a statue or building the Grand Sonallium but they seem to be doing it willingly enough. The Evanuris could have ordered their society very much like the Qun, with them deciding everyone's role. May be that is why he hates the Qun so much, because it does remind him of the elven society that he destroyed.

He is not trying to restore that society but the world it was contained in.

Incidentally the Qun don't need blood magic to control people's minds. If they can't convince you to their way of thinking they fill you full of Qamek and turn you into a mindless hive worker. Blood sacrifice is evil but so is destroying a person's mind. My sympathies are with the people of Seheron who have been having to put up with both of them in one way or another for hundreds and in the case of Tevinter, may be thousands of years. Liberating Seheron from them both is on my to do list.

The qamek is only the final resort for those who keeps on disturbing the peace by doing harm upon another, greed, or other kind of criminal act that will disrupt the way of the Qun. But Solas should be angry @ himself for not taking responsibility for his own actions and rather project the blame on a blameless society that does nothing to harm the elves, and he should know that it was him who started all this mess that occurred for the elves to fall in the first place.

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I think Solas's thing with Tevinter vs the Qun is that he understands Tevinter and the Qun is still alien and shocking, to him. Tevinter seems very similar to the culture of his time, with the Ancient Elves. They had slaves and they had some serious power fetishes. Tevinter seems to have almost lifted their whole identity from the Ancient Elves. Meanwhile, the Qun are terrifying thought police that don't resemble anything we know of from back then. I don't doubt that Solas sees everyone in the Qun as a slave, but they take things further and not only control what you do, but also what you think. It's easy for me to understand why Solas would have a more visceral reactions to the Qun than to Tevinter. 

 

I remember a line of dialogue with Solas and Dorian where Dorian apologizes to Solas for Tevinter destroying Arlathan and says he thinks what they did was wrong. Solas tells him that Arlathan wasn't innocent and he seems not overly invested in that, but he tells Dorian if he really wants to make amends, he should free the slaves of all races in Tevinter. Solas doesn't seem overly invested in the history there, just what people are doing now. Tevinter has slaves and that's wrong, in Solas's mind, but the extent to which the Qun tries to control people is even more wrong, to him. I think he wouldn't blame Tevinter for what happened to the elves on the level of blaming individuals in current day, who don't even understand their own history, because he believes in personal responsibility over everyone taking the blame for what an empire has done over hundreds of years. In his mind, what happened to the elves of Arlathan isn't Dorian's fault, or any modern day Tevinters. I imagine, if anything, he takes more responsibility for himself and the Evanuris. When you take out that blame, you just have as to whether the slavery in Tevinter or the general lack of freedom in the Qun is worse. Solas explains several times why he thinks the level of control in the Qun is worse than that seen in other cultures.



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The qamek is only the final resort for those who keeps on disturbing the peace by doing harm upon another, greed, or other kind of criminal act that will disrupt the way of the Qun. But Solas should be angry @ himself for not taking responsibility for his own actions and rather project the blame on a blameless society that does nothing to harm the elves, and he should know that it was him who started all this mess that occurred for the elves to fall in the first place.

But the societies do harm the elves. Constantly. If not directly, then by contributing to their constant entrenchment in their second class citizenship. They are slaves, abused servants, slum dwellers, chevalier blade victims, nomads that will never be accepted into society, etc.

There are still papers being published at the University of Orlais for how elves are like rabbits, and that anyone who fornicates with them is committing a sin unto the Maker.

 

The first line in their race description for DAI was how they were a historically oppressed people. For all that Solas may be at fault for their suffering, modern thedosian at large has just as much--if not more--blame for allowing and encouraging the elves oppression. All Solas did was put the events in motion, it was humans who actually carried it out.

 

Even the Qun does their part, though to be fair they apply it to other races (including their own) just as much as they apply it toward the elves. Qamek, forceful re-education, saarebas (if you are a mage), their own labor camps....

 

And Solas is angry at himself, which is why he is going through so much trouble to amend his own mistake. If he wasn't, then I'm sure he would just default to being reformist like Leliana or a maybe something along the lines of Briala. But it is because the elves "suffered for what he did to strike the evanuris down" that he wants to continue with his plan.



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The qamek is only the final resort for those who keeps on disturbing the peace by doing harm upon another, greed, or other kind of criminal act that will disrupt the way of the Qun. 

This is not actually how it's been presented. Qamek is used any time anyone doesn't submit to filling their role in the Qun. Nobody is allowed to leave. Nobody is allowed to pick their own career, choose where they live or what they do to any substantial extent. Nobody is allowed to fall in love. "Disrupting the Qun" enough to be a victim of the qamek (and it's also spoken of that torture techniques, such as sleep deprivation, are used along with the toxin) can be guilty of nothing more than having fallen in love with another Qunari and refusing to give up that relationship. It could be that you simply don't agree with the career that's been selected for you. You don't have to be a criminal to be tortured under the Qun. You just have to have to refuse to do literally anything you're told to do. Any individuality it erased by force. The Qun is a lot more disturbing that you're crediting it. 



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I wouldn't call it favoritism, just avoidance of any possible backlash in the real world.

 

Why examine every other fake religion in the game, to the point where other pantheons turn out to be false, but leave The Maker and everything to do with him alone? 



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Seraphim24

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Yeah if we take a person's actions to impute a mental state, then Solas hates everyone essentially.

 

I kind of think he's sexist not racist.... like his romance with the Inq is so broken and horribly messed up, and he reacts badly to all the kind of sexually open characters like Sera etc. I think he might be anti-LGBT, but yeah, strangely enough, not racist.

 

His goal is to destroy a current power infrastructure he has deemed wrong in realization of current events, and to kind of let things sort themselves out, which due to circumstance means favoring certain "racial categories," but I suspect it doesn't matter to him that it's a "race" thing it could just be everyone who likes the color blue instead of green or something, and he would do the exact same thing (i.e. condemn all people who like the color blue to death)

 

Sorry for the OT Bayonet. :lol:



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Gervaise

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I am now becoming inclined to call Solas a Nihilist in the philosophical understanding of the word that believes nothing in the current world is real or has meaning to him.    So he needs to bring back the world that he can accept is real.