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[Donquijote and 59 others]

She's Andruil

It is possible that Sera is Andruil since there is a legend that say that Andruil became mad in the abyss then when she returned in the world she became a lunatic like Sera. 

[Gervaise]

That is not exactly like Andruil's vallaslin.   It is mixed up and round the wrong way in some cases.   It is easy to see something in an image if you want to see it.   Look at people seeing Jesus on pieces of toast and the like.

 

I suggest looking carefully at the image of Sera and see exactly what that positioning of the arrow and her finger is really meant to symbolise.   Andruil has nothing to do with it.  

[sniper_arrow]

I believe Solas will set a chain of events in motion which will slip from his control once again. Whether he'll manage to help the elves or not, things will evolve in such a way that his help may result in unforeseen consequences for the People.  

 

Solas committed three horrible mistakes.

 

1. He failed to protect the elves by destroying Arlathan and robbing them of their immortality after creating the Veil.
2. He failed to wake up with his full powers by delivering the orb to Corypheus.
3. He failed to recover the orb from the Magister intact, as he hoped when he sided with the Inquisitor.

 

Every plan this guy set in motion failed. Now he wants to wake up the Evanuris, a group of ancient mage rulers who killed Mythal, performed blood magic rituals and enslaved the People and tells our Inquisitor 'everything is fine, I have plans'. Really, dude? You're going to give a free pass to the demon bosses of the seven hells to come to Thedas and insists you alone are going to be able to contain the situation should the worst come to pass?

 

I just hope our PC can choose a third solution that goes beyond merely siding with Solas or trying to stop him; also, one that isn't a mix of them both in a dreadful attempt at a synthesis kind of ending.

 

This manichean philosophy of love or hate said character is something I really despise. It feels superficial and confining. BW is cleverer than this and (I hope, strong emphasis on hope) will write a decision regarding Solas' actions that won't force the player into a binary system of choice.

 

 

PS: I really wish I could understand how some people can justify the mistakes this character makes. Solas believes he alone has the answer to every problem and is fully capable of solving things on his own. He's ready to wager the future of all life on Thedas based on his misplaced confidence rather than learn from his mistakes and avoid ruin and the death of innocents.

 

There's another character who also used to think like this. His name was Loghain. Let's just hope no 'Cailans' will have to die this time to prove him wrong.

 

In this scenario, the Inquisitor may be the prime candidate to be the 'Cailan' to Solas' 'Loghain'.

 

Here's a question: when Solas refers to the 'People', was he referring to the Ancient Elves or the spirits? Him mentioning that he has plans for the Evanuris makes me wonder about this.

[Gervaise]

Come off it, what Solas plans is way worse than anything Loghain did.   His actions only impacted immediately on Ferelden and it was still possible to undo the worst effects before it spread anywhere else.   Also whilst the Warden personally did not at the time know how to solve the problem of the Archdemon, there were plenty of other people who did waiting along the border with Orlais.  

 

Solas is planning on doing something that will immediately impact on the whole world.    He doesn't know precisely what is going to happen, much less anyone else.   If it goes wrong you can bet he doesn't have any contingency plan and the Inquisitor and everyone else is currently just floundering in the dark as to what they are going to do about it.    The only real connection between the two is that by his action Loghain was actually harming his beloved Ferelden, just as Solas' action in forming the  Veil harmed his beloved People and likely will again if he drops it.  

 

From what Cole said in Trespasser, spirits are just as worried about someone tearing a hole in the  Veil again as we are.    Perhaps if we can convince him he is going to turn all his lovely friends into demons by his actions, he will reconsider.  

 

There is a debate on the nature of the ancient elves, but he is definitely referring to them as opposed to pure spirits when he talks about saving his People.  

[Dai Grepher]

You are assuming that the veil can be removed in part which doesn't seem to be the case it's more like either you remove it completely or either you do not.You can't create a big breach in the brecilian forest and then hoping that it will not grow.

I assume nothing.

The Breach is proof that parts of the Veil can be opened while other parts remain.

This was actually first proven in the Blackmarsh, to be perfectly honest.

[thats1evildude]

I think people are reading too much into what's supposed to be a crude, boorish image.

[Dai Grepher]

Come off it, what Solas plans is way worse than anything Loghain did.   His actions only impacted immediately on Ferelden and it was still possible to undo the worst effects before it spread anywhere else.   Also whilst the Warden personally did not at the time know how to solve the problem of the Archdemon, there were plenty of other people who did waiting along the border with Orlais.  
 
Solas is planning on doing something that will immediately impact on the whole world.    He doesn't know precisely what is going to happen, much less anyone else.   If it goes wrong you can bet he doesn't have any contingency plan and the Inquisitor and everyone else is currently just floundering in the dark as to what they are going to do about it.

I think the (ex)Inquisitor will be able to research things related to the Fade and the Veil and create a safety net just in case the Veil drops. A fallback plan in case Solas does not listen to reason or survives any attack.

[NaclynE]

I've been mulling over this one because a few extra ideas have come to me that I thought I would share.

 

Whilst the option is described as "redeeming" Solas, it seems unlikely that you are going to prove him wrong on moral grounds.  If having experienced the friendship and possibly even the love of a modern Thedosian and spent time in the world, enough for him to admit that they "deserve better", yet is still intending to go forward with his plan, then it seems unlikely that you could make any argument in the future that would convince him to abandon it.    Besides which he admitted to Cassandra that he doesn't believe in the concepts of good and evil but cause and effect.   This seems borne out by him disapproving of the Evanuris simplifying things in that way in the course of the war that led to their godhood.  

 

So if Solas believes in cause and effect, then clearly you have to prove to him that the effect of him going through with his plan is not going to be as he envisages it.    This might actually have some success because he would know that his original plan to imprison the evanuris had the unintended effect of destroying the world as he knew it and diminishing his people in his eyes.    So to prove him wrong you have to consider what he is trying to achieve and how the result might differ.

 

Solas' Aims: 

Restoring the World of the Elves - It is not clear exactly what he means by this.   Is it merely reunited the material world with the Fade or something more than this?    Certain Inquisitors are able to detect that the Crossroads and eluvian pathways are slowly breaking down.    This has probably been the case since he raised the Veil but because they sit in between the world and the Fade rather than across them (as the library and other structures did) that probably explains why it wasn't instantly broken apart.   The Crossroads is able to draw power from the Fade to maintain itself but this is in sufficient to preserve it indefinitely while the Veil is in place.  May be there are other structures like this.  Even the structures that were damaged may be also breaking down over time.    So may be it is not just rebuilding the world but preserving what is left of it that is important to him.    So is it going to be possible to find some way of preserving what is left of the old world of the elves without dropping the Veil?

 

Saving the Elven People - There is a lot of debate over whether this applies to modern elves as well as ancient ones and how exactly he intends to save them or restore them to what they were previously.     Leaving aside the modern elves for a moment, the ancient ones are mostly sleeping in uthenera receiving sustenance from the Fade.   It is reasonable to assume they are suffering a slow decay in the same way that the Crossroads is.   Abelas says that each time they awake there are less of them.   Gradually these ancient ones are dying off and Solas sees the only way of saving them is to remove the Veil and reconnect them with the Fade.    Is there another way of saving them?    Is it in fact possible that reconnecting them with the Fade is not going to achieve this?

 

Let's assume for the moment that Solas thinks dropping the Veil will restore the modern elves to what they should be before it is too late for them.   We know they have something different in their blood from other races that allows them to experience the eluvian paths in the same way as ancient elves and is magical in nature.    Yet this does not automatically give them magical ability and according to Merrill the number of mages in the Dalish is decreasing over time.    This seems odd because the bloodlines in the Dalish must be fairly concentrated and the evidence from Tevinter seems to show that you can breed for mages.   So unless Merrill is simply unaware that the reduction in mages is due to other clans dumping surplus ones in the woods, it would seem that something else is happening.   Is it the case that even the modern elves are gradually losing their magical signature as a result of the Veil?   Is this why elf bloodied humans show no sign of their elven heritage because of the weakening of the magical aspect to them?   (Was this always the case?)    There is a connected bit of lore relating to Tevinter that may have some bearing on this.   It would seem that Dreamers were once more common in ancient Tevinter than they are now despite the breeding for mages and focussing on these ancient bloodlines.   Likewise they are extremely rare among the elves.    Why is this?  

 

As for proving him wrong.    It is difficult what to suggest with regard to the ancient elves but in the case  of the modern ones, an elven Inquistior can actually walk in the Fade without it seeming to have any affect on them whatsoever.    So clearly simply coming into contact with the pure magical energy of the Fade is not sufficient to restore someone, even temporarily.    May be you need to be in contact with both the Fade and the material world at the same time but is it possible that the Fade itself has changed during its separation and so even removing the Veil will not restore things as they once were.   It may also have adverse effects on many of the spirits there having been separated so long to be reunited with the real world.  

 

Curing the World of the Blight - Solas never declares this as an aim but there seem hints it may have a connection with the Evanuris.  There was something in the depths of the earth that the elves were terrified of that appeared to have been released or was about to be unleashed by the Evanuris.   He also said the alternative to imprisoning the Evanuris would be they would have destroyed the world.    If raising the Veil contained the Blight in some way but the Tevinter Magister invading the Golden City released it into the real world, it may be that he feels the only way to prevent it from destroying the world now is to cleanse it with a rush of Fade magic.   Various people have been trying to find a cure for the Blight, Avernus; the Warden and the Architect seems to have managed it unintentionally with an amulet he gave to Fiona, so apparently it is possible.     When we ask Solas why the world has to die, he is evasive on the matter.   He claims it is so we don't have too much information so we can stop him but the reality is the writers didn't want to reveal too much.     If imprisoning the Evanuris wasn't solely about vengeance but preventing the release of the Taint and Solas is now aware that happened anyway and it is spreading, that would account for why he thinks dropping the Veil is the only way to save the elves in the long run.   He wants to restore not just the magical world of the elves but a pre-Blight world.    So could this be the way of proving him wrong by finding a way to cleanse the world of the Blight?

 

A rather long post I know but any thoughts on the matter?

 

Just do what i do and punch him in the face. Sure you prove him right but at least you don't get to see his ugly mug anymore. Racists and facists deserve to leave.

[PapaCharlie9]

Here's a question: when Solas refers to the 'People', was he referring to the Ancient Elves or the spirits?

My reading of this codex entry (Vir Dirthara: Exile of the Forbidden Ones) suggests that spirits were a separate group, not included with the "People".

"For abandoning the People in their time of greatest need, for casting aside form to flee to where the Earth could not reach, we declare Xebenkeck and others of her ilk exiled from the lands of the Evanuris. Beware! Their familiarity with shape allows them to travel paths unaided. They may be bound, but only the protection of your gods will fully shield you from their malice. They are Forbidden from the Earth that is our right."

If spirits were People, the declaration would have said "for abandoning their People" or "for abandoning us". But maybe not, it could be poetic license, in the way one might say, "For abandoning America in her" or "For abandoning Humanity in our".

Xebenkeck is what we now call a Desire demon.