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[Dean_the_Young]

Oh, no doubt about that. Everyone under the Qun is a slave.

What I do question is the notion that these tamassrans are suffering or that they don't want to live that way. That's just the player projecting the own views on them.
 

 

Suffering isn't just a subjective impression of misery. It can also indicate an objective condition considered bad. The consideration itself may or may not be biased, but it doesn't stop applying if you subject doesn't mind. If your town suffers from annual tornadoes, or you suffer from sunburn, or, you know, you are inflicted with an oppressive regime that dictates that your life is to be a sex slave, it doesn't really matter if you don't mind. We're talking the conditions, not your willingness to accept them.

 

 

Of course, there are those who do hate their role, but I don't imagine they are the majority. Anyone who believes otherwise is understimating the Qun's indoctrination.

 

 

Majority is irrelevant to what Hanako was saying. Majority is also unknown, since the Qunari have no actual known metric of measure of how often people have to be re-educated, drugged, or simply intimidated into compliance.

[Gervaise]

In answer to the question a few posts back about mage converts to the Qun, there are no such thing.   Any mage not born and raised under the Qun is automatically force fed qamek on capture as they are considered hopeless cases, incapable of re-education.    Bull might maintain he is not trying to convert anyone to the Qun but I think his failure to properly address the question is because he doesn't want to really confront the full implications of what it would mean if the Qun invaded southern Thedas.   Solas, Vivienne, Dorian and the Inquisitor (if a mage) would all be lobotomised into mindless drones.   Unlike tranquillity this is not reversible.   He must know this since he belongs to the Ben-Hassrath, the organisation responsible for carrying this out.   As an enforcer, he may actually have done this himself.

 

Mages born under the Qun are conditioned to not just accept their treatment but actually want it; as evidenced by the Saarebas in DA2 who self immolates at the prospect of living outside the Qun.   The fact that saarebas means "dangerous thing" pretty much says it all with regard to their treatment and how they are taught to view themselves. 

 

It is because of the Qun's no compromises attitude to mages that makes it seems strange they would be so accommodating when it comes to gender and sexuality.    If someone can be allowed to grow up normally until puberty (which is when magic normally manifests itself) and then be convinced they have to accept the way they are treated from then on when they are a mage, why shouldn't they equally manage to convince someone with respect to anything else?     Pity the poor mage.  Presumably a "thing" isn't thought to need sex, so they don't even get that form of relief.

[Iakus]

 

 

Majority is irrelevant to what Hanako was saying. Majority is also unknown, since the Qunari have no actual known metric of measure of how often people have to be re-educated, drugged, or simply intimidated into compliance.

"How many Qunari have you lost to the Tal-Vashoth?"

"None"

 

[Qun00]

The fans project their own beliefs so much that they imagine Par Vollen as a place full of people that dream about leaving everyday.

Truth is that while the reeducators play a role in keeping the more rebellious minds in check, the general indoctrination as they're growing up already is strong enough on its own merit.

Anyone that says the Qunari can't genuinely believe in their philosophy without being forced somehow knows nothing about these people.

[Dean_the_Young]

The fans project their own beliefs so much that they imagine Par Vollen as a place full of people that dream about leaving everyday.

Truth is that while the reeducators play a role in keeping the more rebellious minds in check, the general indoctrination as they're growing up already is strong enough on its own merit.

Anyone that says the Qunari can't genuinely believe in their philosophy without being forced somehow knows nothing about these people.

 

Wow, you're getting even further and further away from what you initially responded to.

 

Hanako never claimed, nor did her argument imply or rest on an assumption of, that Par Vollen is a place full of people that dream about leaving everyday. Nor did it ever rest on that people can't genuinely believe in the Qun.