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Gervaise

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Actually I'm only interested in one; that of the elves leaving to join Fen'Harel.   I must admit I originally thought this applied generally to all elves.   It has been suggested on another post that it is possible it was only referring to the agents of Fen'Harel, who had been part of the Inquisition and also in positions of servants throughout Thedas on his behalf.    When I looked back at the slide I realised there wasn't actually any mention of alienages across Thedas emptying of elves or the Dalish flocking to join him.    The elf in the foreground with Vallaslin could just as easily be someone like Felassan who was a plant among the Dalish but never truly part of them.

 

So what do you think about this?   All elves or just his agents.    I know some people seem to quiz the writers on these things.   Has anyone asked PW about this?

 

Also apparently someone asked him about Cilian being an agent of his.   This seems unlikely because Cilian is clearly shown in WoT2 as having grown up in the Dalish, only leaving later to learn about being an arcane warrior at an ancient shrine.   I gather PW was rather evasive about this, suggesting that Cilian was an agent, so could someone please let me know precisely what the question was and his answer.  

 

Any information would be welcome.



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I originally thought all elves, but a lot of people here believe that when Solas refers to "his People", he's not including modern elves.

 

This raises the question of why modern elves would serve as his agents if they have no place in Elvhenan Redux. Some think he's just tricking them, since he's the Trickster, Master of Lies after all. That just seems too pat to me. How stupid could modern elves be? And, more importantly, what about the monumental hypocrisy? Solas rebelled against the rise of Evanuris to self-proclaimed godhood because he felt the "ordinary" People were getting the bum's rush. Can't he see that treating modern elves as pawns and dupes isn't any different from how the Evanuris treated the People?

 

I'm hoping that in fact he is open to modern elves joining the People of olde, as long as they help him as agents. Not as a trick, as a real promise. That makes more sense to me.



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If those were merely his agents then his network goes well beyond what I would have expected. It would mean that either the amount of anicent elves active in modern Thedas was far greater than a few pocket populations, or that he has expanded his network to include other, non-ancient elves. The key words in that slide was "all of Thedas".

 

By the sheer scope of that, I am inclined to think that elves of all walks of life were being called into his oncoming rebellion. Whether they were lured in under false pretenses or told only a partial truth is the thing I am more concerned with.



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I thought most elves. Not all, but a great many of them. Dalish, city, Circle, whatever.

However, the slide speculates that they are going to join Solas because that's the only possibility the people of Thedas know of. It's also possible however that they are actually being called by Mythal.

An elf in Val Royeaux tells another at the end of the main game that he had a dream with a female who was calling out to him. I don't remember the quote exactly, but I think it was a reference to Mythal.

So maybe Mythal is the one gathering all the right elven people so she can protect them when Solas launches his master plan.
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I originally thought all elves, but a lot of people here believe that when Solas refers to "his People", he's not including modern elves.

 

This raises the question of why modern elves would serve as his agents if they have no place in Elvhenan Redux. Some think he's just tricking them, since he's the Trickster, Master of Lies after all. That just seems too pat to me. How stupid could modern elves be? And, more importantly, what about the monumental hypocrisy? Solas rebelled against the rise of Evanuris to self-proclaimed godhood because he felt the "ordinary" People were getting the bum's rush. Can't he see that treating modern elves as pawns and dupes isn't any different from how the Evanuris treated the People?

 

I'm hoping that in fact he is open to modern elves joining the People of olde, as long as they help him as agents. Not as a trick, as a real promise. That makes more sense to me.

 

I think Solas can be plainly open to modern elves, and that many of them would gladly die in his cause. After all, he's ultimately going to create a world where elves won't suffer horribly under the oppressive boot of humans. He can certainly guarantee a better life, if not for them then certainly for future generations. And people have died for a lot less than the very real hope that Solas promises.

 

Think of it from the POV of oppressed CEs. Solas, who is the closest thing this setting has to a god apart from the Titans, can tangibly promise immortality and supremacy for the elves, substantiating most of their myths of lost greatness. Yeah, the weird racist utopian fantasy of the Dalish turns out to be lies, but Solas is really standing for the oppressed, which would certainly be alluring to CEs. 



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I think Solas has an extensive network comprised of his followers from ancient times. Aside from Felassan (an ancient elf with vallaslin) in TME, Solas tells Abelas that "your people yet linger" and has spies active in the Inquisition from the beginning. I don't think this necessarily precludes modern elves from joining their ranks, but if they do, how many of them and under what circumstances, I can't say. That said, going off what we do know, I would expect him to engage in the same kind of duplicity with the modern elves that he did with the Inquisition. Perhaps, given his warnings about what he will become, this duplicity would be even more cruel.

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The thing that bothers me is Felassan.   World of Thedas makes it clear he is an ancient elf, not just a modern recruit.  At the end Mihris says: "Will you take me to your clan?"   To which he replies: "I don't think you want to meet my clan, da'len".    You could just argue he is being evasive and he just doesn't have a clan.   However, that emphasis on da'len is given in the book.   It's literal meaning is "Little child".    By this point Felassan is not thinking of modern elves as non-People, hence his support for Briala and his willingness to die for it.   However, he does still think of them as children compared to himself because he is ancient and so are his clan.  

 

You have to ask yourself, what did happen to all those followers of Fen'Harel?    Did they just age and die?    Or would he have taken steps to ensure they were protected and preserved until he could return and restore them to what they once were?    His words to Abelas seem to confirm the latter.  "Your People yet linger."   When Abelas says: "Elvhen such as you?"  Solas replies: "Yes."   Abelas confirmed that he does not regard the Dalish or any modern elves as his People.   So Solas is clearly not simply referring to a group of modern agents when he says this.    I also think he is absolutely telling the truth to Abelas because Abelas would sense if he wasn't.   Their numbers may not be huge compared to what they once were but still could be sufficient to be spread across Thedas, particularly if many of them, like Felassan, had been instructed through the Fade to awake from Uthenera and go out into the world to prepare for his return.   Why should we assume that Felassan was the only ancient elf out their working on behalf of Fen'Harel?   It would also account for his words: "The People need me," because only he can undo his magic and his determination to go through with it is because time is running out for them.   Abelas confirmed that each time they awake there are fewer of them.    As the years pass, more and more pass beyond the point that the Fade will sustain them in Uthenera.   Solas needs to take action to save his People; the ones he led to freedom back before he created the Veil and any other ancient ones still slumbering awaiting the return of their gods.

 

I don't deny that modern elves may well join Solas and he would have no trouble recruiting among them.    Nor do I doubt he would be willing to use them and discard them in order to achieve his ends.   Felassan clearly did that with Clan Virnehn.    Solas also admit he is quite willing to sacrifice anyone, even friends, and we know he did kill Felassan.   Cole maintains this was for the crime of regarding the modern inhabitants of Thedas as People.     Solas also says to Lavellan that they are going to die along with all the rest.   So if he is recruiting modern elves, it is not with the intention of saving them, at least not in the sense of their present form.   In his own mind, if they die and become spirits that can be reborn in his new world, then effectively he is "saving" them from the modern world.    I don't think that his recruits would view it in the same way though.   

 

However, the chief reason he might only restrict his followers to the ancient ones who supported himself or Mythal is that they are the only ones he can trust.   That trust must have been shaken when Felassan rebelled against orders.    How much less could he trust modern elves, particularly like the Dalish who revere the Creators and would not be enthusiastic about any plans of his against them, even if they would welcome their release.  

 

Have the any of the writers commented on this?    Also any thoughts on Cilian?