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[Dobbysaurus]

Meh.

 

As long as she doesn't look like potato face Allers. 

[Dean_the_Young]

No, doesn't make sense. Of all the nods they could to the original trilogy this would be the least inspired.

 

Less inspired than the guns that go pew pew?

 

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Nope.  Everyone must earn their living. And, that is not on the dole of someone else.

 

Until the population + infrastructure exists, ... no reporters.

 

So, like, the moment they get out of cryo?

 

Because at that point they do have the population, and they do have the infrastructure.

[Sifr]

One krogan reporter.

 

It'd be less yellow journalism and more yellow puddle journalism... so named due to the strange tendency of people to wet themselves and confess everything they know, rather than risk saying "No comment" to a Krogan working on a deadline.

[Stakrin]

I loved the idea, but maybe not for this game.

Maybe we don't want the rest of andromeda to know when we find a nice planet? I don't know the ultimate goal, but I feel like either everyone will be part of a large squad (military defense, scientists, scavengers, teachers, engineers)

Or there will be many rival factions (maybe turians and humans work together but Asari made their own without telling anyone)

Either way; I don't see why you'd need/want a reporter going around to talk about all of it.

Maybe a glyph-like VI that records your diary for future research

[BloodyMares]

... and if that is the case in any colony, an "independent rag" (renegade reporting) is likely to soon develop... because people tend to distrust what just continually comes down from the top.

Why would that occure? Don't they all share a common goal? They are all in the same boat. As long as this information ensures their common interest then I don't see why would they distrust it.

[GoldenGail3]

No. 

[Xen]

Only if I can bang the reporter in exchange for favouritism in their journalism, then kick them off the ship when they cease to be useful.

[Gothfather]

Dude- service industries also exist where there's no infrastructure. Service industries sometimes exist because there is no infrastructure, because it's a capital-light sort of employment that provides desired products- such as, you know, information.

 

Nor is manpower the key to building the sort of infrastructure that the Mass Effect colonists need. They don't need everyone doing mining ore, or manning forges, or building heavy industry. That's what the robots and fabricators are for. No one serious in the Mass Effect universe uses manual labor for technological industry. This isn't 'real world colonization' in which survival means subsistence farming.

 

And even real world colonizers where subsistience farming was a thing absolutely had service industry jobs- entertainers, religion, artists, and, yes, even media. Information is always in demand, and even the most totalitarian, xenophobic, and economically incompetent states around (like, say, North Korea) recognize that reporters and media are a vital aspect of information operations, both internally for social influence and outwardly for diplomatic aspects.

 

The 'infrastracture' needed to support a reporter in the Mass Effect universe is a computer, a camera, and a miniature fabricator. AKA, an omnitool, which just about everyone has. If the colonists don't have the food production and storage ability to not be able to feed a journalist and production crew, they don't even have nearly enough to care about heavy industry either.

 

WTF? So I would LOVE to know what culture magically create a service economy with no infrastructure. What did hunter gathers one day just solve their subsistence based economy by magic? In what magical universe do you think service jobs don't need infrastructure. Please give me ONE example where you don't need infrastructure to do a service job? this oughta be good. lol.

 

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you think a fabricator and robots equals infrastructure then you don't understand what infrastructure is.

 

Infrastructure:

 

the basic physical and organizational structures and facilities (e.g., buildings, roads, and power supplies) needed for the operation of a society or enterprise.

 

I nearly p!ssed my self laughing when you listed tools as infrastructure LMAO seriously? computer, a camera, and a miniature fabricator. Who makes the computer? Who creates the network for the computer to run? Who creates the camera? Who creates the parts for all these tools? There isn't a frak store you can go to and buy these things. Do you have any idea how much POWER, Concrete and storage space the internet requires? It isn't like every computer connected to the network creates the actual hardware the internet runs on. What do you think the internet has no physical infrastructure behind it? lol. When you send an email it isn't your computer that does the work to get it to it's desired location. Umm you do know that right? There are server farms and mail servers, DNS systems, routers, authenticators all these things you NEVER see that make the internet work require physical buildings, computers, power and wires and satellites and the list goes on. What you thing that just magically comes with a reporter because they have an ipad and a camera?

 

The fact that you uses terms like subsistence farming and presented tools of the trade as infrastructure tells everyone you have no idea just how much infrastructure is REQUIRED to actually support a reporter. On what systems are people going to have a reporter's piece broadcast? There is no network, no broadcast infrastructure to beam it out to people. There are no braodcast towers for radio, or television. No satellites, no power lines to power peoples equipment NOTHING. All of this has to be built all of it has to be interconnected. This will takes YEARS.  North Korea is an infrastructure paradise compared to Andromeda because they HAVE no infrastructure.  

[Inkvisiittori]

No. Our new protagonist isn't going to be a hero. Not yet anyway. Why would anyone care about what she does? I'm not sure if there's even going to be reporters at all. Everyone should be busy trying to find new home. And I hated Allers. Waste of space. It could be interesting though if one of our companions was documenting the progress of our efforts to find new home or something like that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rather than a reporter, more likely I see there being a documenter aboard the ship. After all, every single place we go to is the first time any Milky Way race has ever been there, so that is worth documenting. Especially since the main mission is to find a new home. Either they could be a squadmate so can also fight, or they ask to have access to say the cameras on our suits or Omni-Tools and work with what we experience. 

[Selene Moonsong]

Well, the Ark is likely to have historical data and ship's logs, as well as recording of data between the ships and ground crews and the events that unfold. So, there would already be a core infrastructure available, locally at least, and there would likely be some means of informing the colonists and keeping them up to date on events.

 

This kind of expedition would not be limited to soldiers, techs, and combat equipment. There would be people having various other skill sets as well.

 

Even the US Navy currently has their own Journalist rating (specialty) that are assigned to various ships and other commands to record and bring the crew news of events, so it would not be a stretch to be able do the same in ME: Andromeda. The only thing they couldn't have is a galactic news service, at least not right away, but sometime in the future.

[Dean_the_Young]

WTF? So I would LOVE to know what culture magically create a service economy with no infrastructure. What did hunter gathers one day just solve their subsistence based economy by magic? In what magical universe do you think service jobs don't need infrastructure. Please give me ONE example where you don't need infrastructure to do a service job? this oughta be good. lol.

 

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you think a fabricator and robots equals infrastructure then you don't understand what infrastructure is.

 

Infrastructure:

 

the basic physical and organizational structures and facilities (e.g., buildings, roads, and power supplies) needed for the operation of a society or enterprise.

 

I nearly p!ssed my self laughing when you listed tools as infrastructure LMAO seriously? computer, a camera, and a miniature fabricator. Who makes the computer? Who creates the network for the computer to run? Who creates the camera? Who creates the parts for all these tools? There isn't a frak store you can go to and buy these things. Do you have any idea how much POWER, Concrete and storage space the internet requires? It isn't like every computer connected to the network creates the actual hardware the internet runs on. What do you think the internet has no physical infrastructure behind it? lol. When you send an email it isn't your computer that does the work to get it to it's desired location. Umm you do know that right? There are server farms and mail servers, DNS systems, routers, authenticators all these things you NEVER see that make the internet work require physical buildings, computers, power and wires and satellites and the list goes on. What you thing that just magically comes with a reporter because they have an ipad and a camera?

 

The fact that you uses terms like subsistence farming and presented tools of the trade as infrastructure tells everyone you have no idea just how much infrastructure is REQUIRED to actually support a reporter. On what systems are people going to have a reporter's piece broadcast? There is no network, no broadcast infrastructure to beam it out to people. There are no braodcast towers for radio, or television. No satellites, no power lines to power peoples equipment NOTHING. All of this has to be built all of it has to be interconnected. This will takes YEARS.  North Korea is an infrastructure paradise compared to Andromeda because they HAVE no infrastructure.  

 

Except, they do- with what they already carry on the Arcs.

 

In the Mass Effect universe, precision machine creation can be done by fabricators. Fabricators, as demonstrated in the ME trilogy, can go from shipboard (the Normandy's weapons room) to hand-held (omnitools). No individual has to be tasked to specialize in creating guns, cameras, and computers because they're all already creatable by the fabricators. All the fabricators need to create machinery is raw materials and power- which, while limited, isn't something that is manually procured in the ME universe. Not in the sense that every able-bodied person is hauling in rocks or treadmills.

 

The Arcs aren't spanish galleons fit for scrap wood and little else- they're a host of infrastructure by necessity and design. The ships have power cores, which generate power in Andromedea just like they do anywhere else in the Mass Effect universe- the necessary additional infrastructure for continued operation (such as for helium gas collection) can be carried, created by fabricators, or procured from species already in Andromedea. The Arcs have computer networks- which are already designed and manged by VI, not people. It's already built into the ships that came from the Milky Way, and the tools people bring and can fabricate more of.

 

Colonization societies were as bare-bones as they were because they generally lacked precision tools and the means to make more. That doesn't apply in Andromedea- the people coming over are bringing with them machines that can easily make more machines to make more machines, and do it more effectively than expecting people to. Unlike colonies, they don't need farmers- they're (presumably) bringing hydrophonics bays. They don't need manual miners- they can collect space rocks, and use robots easier than people in space suits. They do need engineers, but there's no indication they have more capital than they can use for the engineers they have on hand, or that they need bodies for manual labor that can't be provided by machines to be fabricated.

 

Service industries have existed long before the vaunted 'service economy' because services don't require high amounts of capital, and modest infrastructure. A barber only needs tools, space, and to be near enough people to trade his service for the surpluses other people create. News media need a market and means to distribute to. Artists trade entertainment for supplies. Beuracrats and soldiers trade service for the organizational authority in exchange for gathered and stockpiled surpluses. It would be harder to support some of these if everyone was on a planet with no infrastructure... but they're not. They're on the Arcs, which are ready-laid infrastructure which includes already made power generation, computer networks, shelter, and basic production capability.

[Gonder]

If we set up a decent civilisation in the new galaxy, then sure, maybe in the Andromeda sequel we could have one, but for this game? It doesn't quite fit, at least not yet. I'm going to go off of a limb and assume that we'll be far too out of range to communicate with the people back in the Milky Way, so a reporter would serve no use getting the news back home.

 

Everyone who has embarked on the Andromeda expedition is, more or less, in the struggle together; no one feels necessarily "innocent", at least when compared to all the families living on different planets in the Milky Way. I think it'd feel weird and random for us to have a reporter in the first Andromeda game; a bit too early to be having one, in my opinion, as everyone there will already be aware of what's going on, at least for the most part.

[KaiserShep]

No reporters in Andromeda. No point in having them there. All information should be announced directly from the top.

 

 

That's never really what happens though, especially if the "top" has reason to keep certain information to themselves. 

[Chealec]

...

 

Do gamers seriously think that if you magically teleported London to a different planet that it would one survive (assuming it was earth like)? Or that people would still go and get a takeout curry to watch the football match because hey all infrastructure is, is a city?

 

I dream of London being magically teleported to another planet you know...

[Dean_the_Young]

Rather than a reporter, more likely I see there being a documenter aboard the ship. After all, every single place we go to is the first time any Milky Way race has ever been there, so that is worth documenting. Especially since the main mission is to find a new home. Either they could be a squadmate so can also fight, or they ask to have access to say the cameras on our suits or Omni-Tools and work with what we experience. 

 

I'd appreciate this. For once, there'd be a pretty good reason for a science specialist on the crew- especially for a mission of discovery- and they could easily multi-hat.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I wonder if BioWare could talk former MSNBC and ESPN host Keith Olbermann into playing the part of a political pundit in ME:A he would be a natural for the part and he's already do voice over work for that cartoon show on Netflix about a talking horse (I can't remember the show's name).

[themikefest]

What if the sibling is a reporter?

[UpUpAway95]

I think some measure of news reporting would be appropriate.  If you're colonizing several planets (i.e. dropping groups of individuals off in different systems), I would think they would like to "keep in touch" with each other and keep up on how the whole project is going.

 

@Gothfather - Country newspapers were a big part of many of the small towns and villages in the North American West.  They largely re-reported events happening in Europe (after receiving European papers in the mail), but they also reported little more community things - like obituaries and gossip (who was coming and going).  They were there long before a lot of the infrastructure was set up.

 

For example: 

 

Calgary Herald, newspaper, was first published by Andrew Armour and Thomas Braden on 31 Aug 1883 as the Calgary Herald, Mining and Ranche Advocate and General Advertiser. It began as a 4-page weekly, produced on a hand press in a tent pitched at the junction of the Bow and Elbow rivers not far from where the Herald plant is now.

 

http://www.thecanadi...calgary-herald/

 

The train line from Eastern Canada was not completed to Calgary until 1883... and Calgary remained the end of the rail line until 1887 when the line connecting the prairies to the west cost was completed over the Rockies.  The rail line from Calgary to Edmonton (which is where Bioware is located today) was not completed until 1891; but the Edmonton Bulletin newspaper began publication in 1880.

 

A variety of other service industries were set up in frontier communities - church services were held out of the backs of wagons.  Another service industry with it's own unique reasons for coming into being on the frontier was the Chinese Hand Laundry:

 

http://www.historymu...se2/mod5e.shtml

 

Many American western newspapers have similar early beginnings (I know this because genealogy is a hobby of mine and I spent many hours reading these old country newspapers to find out about my ancestors who pushed west on both sides of the 49th parallel (Canada-US border).  One of my ancestors was a pioneer photographer in the mid-Western United States in the 1880s... it is because of these early newspapers and photographers that much of the history of the settlement of the West is documented.

 

http://rbsc.princeto...raming-frontier

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365056384/

 

I agree that this "news" role has changed significantly since the advent to so much instant communication... and perhaps, in even our own future, there will be no place for it... but it's inaccurate to say that "infrastructure" has to come first when, historically, it often hasn't.

[UpUpAway95]

Why would that occure? Don't they all have share a common goal? They are all in the same boat. As long as this information ensures their common interest then I don't see why would they distrust it.

 

To answer that you'd have to look into why it HAS occurred in the past... i.e. that two "competing" newspapers with opposing political leanings frequently came into being in many Western "frontier" towns.  People, even when they are all in the same boat, don't always see their situation as being the same as even their neighbour's and even when they do, they don't always agree on a philosophy for improving their situations.  Information coming "from the top" is often distrusted... merely because it's coming from the top.  I believe that there are about 20% of Americans who believe the Apollo missions were faked.

[-leadintea-]

The word 'infrastructure' has lost all meaning to me.

[Monk]

Sure! And having one as attractive as Diana Allers would be cool too. If it's a she, she doesn't have to be a romance option but maybe a flirt option. Not that i minded Allers but kinda hard to ship a stealth "vessel", ya know?

[mopotter]

No reporters in Andromeda. No point in having them there. All information should be announced directly from the top.

Which they will write and make sure no other views are ever talked about by those not in the upper echelon.

No get togethers at local bars, or any other gathering place.  

No town criers, no bulletins unless they are government approved and especially no cartoonist painting on walls giving the head of sate a silly hat.  No Aesop, no to Chaucer no Cervantes, no Dickens or Will Rogers.  

 

 

I do think people will always want to know what's going on and there will always be someone wanting to expose corruption in government. and as someone else mentioned, who died, who moved to a different town and normal every day stuff.   I wouldn't mind seeing someone in this capacity, not necessarily part of my team but seeing them in different towns letting the masses know whats going on.  

 

But, yeah, I found Allers irritating and Khalisah al-Jalani annoying and I did punch her once.  My Fem Shepard had been having a really bad week.  Though in ME3 I told Khalisah to keep reporting, that people needed to know what's happening and those with the power need to be watched.  

[mopotter]

I dream of London being magically teleported to another planet you know...

I dream of finding a magical gate that will take me to a place I fit in.  Simon Tregarth did, why not me.

[CHRrOME]

Rumor has it that Allers (Jessica Chobot) was on the game purely so IGN would give ME3 a good score. At some point it doesn't make full sense, but then again Allers was the most useless character ever, so who knows.