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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Greetings. I have a couple of questions I wish to ask regarding quests.

Is there any order in which you do the quests in DAI ? Do you complete Adamant Fortress questline before Halamshiral quesline or the other way around ?

Do you complete Jaws of Hakkon and Descent after you are done with the main quest or before ? If so, when do you do them within the context of the main quest ?

Are there any roleplaying decisions that factor in when you do the quests a certain way ? Or is it simply based on game quest level recommendations ?

I am curious to see your responses. Have a nice day and cheers.

[JWvonGoethe]

I like doing The Descent after Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts/Here Lies The Abyss. I play it at that point because I feel like the vanilla game is missing another big mission before What Pride Had Wrought. As for Jaws of Hakkon, it's the last thing I do before playing the final fight with Corypheus. The reason is that I don't really like playing after the post-game since Skyhold feels dead and it doesn't make much sense to be still trying to beef up the Inquisition by doing side-quests when Corypheus has already been defeated.

Frostback Basin is quite close to Skyhold too, so I just think of it as a way for the Inquisitor to spend some time while waiting for the Inquisition forces to gather against Corypheus. Then after the Corypheus fight I get the one or two lines of dialogue from everyone in Skyhold, sort out my equipment in the undercroft and then immediately go into Trespasser.

[nightscrawl]

I go by this path, for which I even wrote a guide.

 

My primary questing order, the main story branch in each area, is based on roleplay. All of the other miscellaneous side quests and whatnot are done as I get to them, and not in any specific order.

[Gervaise]

The first time I played I tried to do things as though you really did have to travel the distances involved, so I investigated Crestwood and met Hawke's contact, then did Exalted Plains and Wicked Eyes on the way to the Western Approach and then almost straight after that did Adamant Fortress.   This felt the right order because we knew Celene was in danger of assassination so I didn't think you'd spend all that time out west and then return to the Ball.    Doing Crestwood allowed Josephine time to set the Ball invitation up.   That revealed that something odd was going on with the Wardens but the urgency still lay with stopping the attempt on Celene.   Of course when you get there you discover you are apparently sorting out the resolution of the civil war as well and apparently it doesn't matter if Celene does die with respect to that, provided you nominate her successor.   Bearing in mind we do not have access to a fast travelling network of eluvians, that sequence seemed how it would pan out on the ground if you were really constrained by travel times.    Originally I also cut down the number of times I returned to Skyhold for the same reason but then you get a whole backup of War Table missions, so in other runs I constantly popped back to set new ones in motion but in my head I was really conveying instructions while out in the field.   I do all the side quests within the main game because of the way Skyhold becomes dead afterwards.

 

Doing Jaws of Hakkon and the Descent before the end of the main game would make Corypheus ridiculously easy.   I'm pretty sure he doesn't scale up with you and to be honest, fighting him after a completionist run in the main game seems to make you rather overpowered at level 23/24 with respect to him.   Again, I fought him first time without having done the Hissing Wastes and some other side quests, so I was only around level 19/20 and that made him more of a challenge.    But discovering I had totally lost one companion and the others no longer talked to me at Skyhold put me off that approach after that.      I also think that neither of those quests would really be priority when tackling Corypheus but would be something you would deal with after getting rid of his threat.   The Descent might be something you would do within the main game timescale, because of the effect the earthquakes are  having on the dwarves but really going on an investigation as to what happened to the last Inquisitor really does seem very low priority compared with the Breach.   What would our agents be doing down there anyway?   There were absolutely no Venatori or Red Templars in the vicinity, so again it is hard to justify while still dealing with his organisations.    Tried doing it before the end to see if it really added much having Solas in the party but concluded not really.    I actually liked doing Jaws of Hakkon before the Descent, which of course was what happened with the releases, because the special power you get in Jaws is really useful against the Sha Brytol Bolters.  

[Fiskrens]

I agree to that WEWH should be done before Crestwood in terms of role-playing; the problem is that it can be difficult to gather enough points to do so, and doing Crestwood is an easy way to collect some - at least that's what I've found when doing "non-completionist" playthroughs. Saving Celene always sounds like it's being urgent, but no matter what you need to do some "fillers" first .

JoH is very suitable to save for after main game since there is no urgency in how it's started; investigating clues about the first inquisitor really sounds like something that could wait until after the world is saved . The Descent could be said to gain some urgency once you activate it, but that might as well be done after Corypheus has been taken care of as well.

I've done them once prior to end of main game only for one reason: to be able to bring Solas with you. But that didn't give much so it's not much of a reason. And, you become even more OP during the final quests by doing so.

[mgagne]

I always found the 4 powers requirement to meet the clerics in val Royaux was way too low so I've taken to wait until I've accrued 4 influence instead - which allows me to explore all the Hinterlands and most of the Storm Coast and Fallow Mire.  By the time I get to Val Royaux I have anywhere between 40 to 60 power points.

 

After 'In Hushed Whispers' I conclude the first Act pretty quickly.  I usually feel we need to organize and prop up Skyhold before we attend the ball, even though I already have enough power to get there immediately.  Also, in my mind I feel the Inquisition needs to have its presence felt in the Civil War before the Inquisitor could even have a say in the succession to the Orlesian Throne so I do most of the Exalted Plains after Crestwood and then I go to Halamshiral.

 

After WEWH (lvl 12-14) I will go to Emprise du Lion (which, logically should have been the first Orlesian zone visited since it's the closest to Skyhold but whatever), power through until Suledin is mine then I go to the Western Approach and meet Hawke and Stroud.  At which point I will complete that zone (and possibly the Oasis but that's one boring/superfluous area!) to allow for the army to be assembled by Cullen before we go to Adamant.

 

After Adamant, if I feel like it, I'll so the Hissing Wastes (another superfluous zone that should have been merged wit the Approach...) and complete the Emerald Graves with detours (again if I feel like it) to the Cradle and that Temple beyond the Waking Sea.  Then the Arbor Wilds before the finale.

 

The Descent comes after because if there had been increasingly violent earthquakes before - it would (should) have impacted the main quest somehow.  JoH is last since it's a completely extraneous area that stands in nicely as something the Inquisitor would do in the two years gap before Trespasser.

[Dai Grepher]

Is there any order in which you do the quests in DAI ? Do you complete Adamant Fortress questline before Halamshiral quesline or the other way around ?

I did Halamshiral first. It makes more sense to try to save Celene soon after learning about the plot to assassinate her. It also makes more sense to have Orlais' cooperation when you move your Inquisition army through to Adamant.

I also take the Western Approach and Griffon Wing Keep before taking Adamant. Then I take the camp in the Hissing Wastes some time afterward.

However, I think I did talk to Hawke first and met her in Crestwood.

Do you complete Jaws of Hakkon and Descent after you are done with the main quest or before ? If so, when do you do them within the context of the main quest ?

After. It makes more sense to do it afterward, and it feels more like a continuation of the Inquisition, rather than part of its buildup.

Are there any roleplaying decisions that factor in when you do the quests a certain way ? Or is it simply based on game quest level recommendations ?

Roleplay. I never paid attention to the level suggestions.

I also cleared out the locations in Orlais before going after Corypheus in the Arbor Wilds, like, to clear a path.

[JWvonGoethe]

I agree to that WEWH should be done before Crestwood in terms of role-playing; the problem is that it can be difficult to gather enough points to do so, and doing Crestwood is an easy way to collect some - at least that's what I've found when doing "non-completionist" playthroughs. Saving Celene always sounds like it's being urgent, but no matter what you need to do some "fillers" first

One way to get around this is to just not talk to Josephine until you have finished the Warden questline. It's a conversation with Josephine during From The Ashes that triggers Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts, so the Inquisitor will never hear about the assassination attempt on the Empress if you delay the Josephine conversation until after completion of Here lies The Abyss.

Unfortunately it doesn't work the other way around, ie. if you want to play WEWH before Here Lies The Abyss then you'll still know about Varric's friend before going to sort out the political crisis with the Empress. If you delay talking to Varric/Hawke until after WEWH then during the post-Halamshiral cutscene Josephine will give you a "gentle reminder" to meet Hawke (where she basically looks at you like you're a complete idiot for putting it off so long).

Edit: fixed quest name.

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 14 juillet 2016 - 11:58 .

[PapaCharlie9]

What I've done, which is generally also what I've recommended:

 

Option 1: Release order -- DAI main quest, JoH, Descent, Trespasser

 

This makes no sense from the narrative/RP point of view, but does make sense from the point of view that there are a lot of people who also played them in this order (as they were released), and so a large community of people with similar experiences to draw from if you have questions or observations.

 

Option 2: DAI main quest up through the end of What Pride Had Wrought, Inquisitor drinks from the Well, then do the first half of Descent -- which is clearing the darkspawn nest and discovering the final elevator, then do JoH through What Yet Lingers, then jump back and finish Descent, then finish JoH, then finish the main quest, then Trespasser.

 

The rationale for this is partly game mechanics, partly narrative/RP. The game mechanics are that is really handy to have Aegis of the Rift for the second halves of Descent and JoH. Option 1 doesn't do that for you for Descent. The RP reason is that the voices in your head tell you to go investigate the Deep Roads first, then go investigate the Ameridan legend, then solve the earthquake problem once and for all, and then remove the Hakkonite threat. The voices advise that all that is necessary to defeat Coryphish, but maybe they/Mythal has her own agenda. I mean, you do kind of kick a Titan's ass a little.

 

Option 3: Dragon Bane's achievement order -- Main quest through Skyhold and get specialization, then dragons (listing map names where dragon is located): Hinterlands, Crestwood, Western Approach, Exalted Plains, Emerald Graves, Storm Coast, Emprise du Lion (Hivernal), Hissing Wastes, back to EdL for Kaltenzahn then Highland Ravager.

 

Rationale is to take them on in increasing XP level order.

[Dai Grepher]

Unfortunately it doesn't work the other way around, ie. if you want to play WEWH before Champions of the Just then you'll still know about Varric's friend before going to sort out the political crisis with the Empress. If you delay talking to Varric/Hawke until after WEWH then during the post-Halamshiral cutscene Josephine will give you a "gentle reminder" to meet Hawke (where she basically looks at you like you're a complete idiot for putting it off so long).

You mean Here Lies the Abyss?

Doing WEWH before meeting the Warden contact in Crestwood is dumb. However, I think doing WEWH before setting out to the Western Approach and the ritual tower is the better option. That way it gives Hawke and the Warden contact time to travel to the desert.

[JWvonGoethe]

You mean Here Lies the Abyss?

Damn it. Thanks for the correction. I constantly mix up the names of those two quests.

[Melbella]

Doing WEWH before meeting the Warden contact in Crestwood is dumb.

What's dumb is having Hawke show up at Skyhold at the same time we do. Also, if you want your DR-Warden Alistair or Loghain to have a certain conversation with Morrigan, it's best to get her there first before meeting them in Crestwood. Otherwise, the conversation might not trigger.

Normally I do Crestwood right after arriving at Skyhold but it was easy enough to head-canon it taking Hawke several weeks (or longer) to arrive at Skyhold after getting Varric's message.

[Dai Grepher]

^I agree. Hawke shows up too quickly. I remember doing something else before meeting with Hawke, but I don't remember what. It was one of the side levels I think.

I also seemed to remember doing Sera's quest with the noble. I remember it unlocking a part of Crestwood before it was unlocked officially through Hawke, and it glitched so I was stuck there until reloading and getting the noble NPC to spawn.

Damn it. Thanks for the correction. I constantly mix up the names of those two quests.

Me too sometimes.

[NaclynE]

Greetings. I have a couple of questions I wish to ask regarding quests.

Is there any order in which you do the quests in DAI ? Do you complete Adamant Fortress questline before Halamshiral quesline or the other way around ?

Do you complete Jaws of Hakkon and Descent after you are done with the main quest or before ? If so, when do you do them within the context of the main quest ?

Are there any roleplaying decisions that factor in when you do the quests a certain way ? Or is it simply based on game quest level recommendations ?

I am curious to see your responses. Have a nice day and cheers.

 

I usually do side stuff here and there before I hit main stories. Like for an example I think I hit level 15ish before I hit the final haven mission? Been a while since I played DAI.

 

As far as the DLCs (Even though I'm unsure about DESCENT since I have the 160 version ><) I usually try the DLCs before the final bit of the game unless otherwise.

 

As far as role playing things go I always make decisions that would make sense to my character always. If I botch up I reset the game and reload.