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[Catilina]

Does that mean doing so is evil?

 

 

What I meant was that I don't think we know that it requires you to actually draw that power from a demon. It's specifically mentioned that Merrill summoned a spirit that time, but it's not made clear that she always does. But anyway, while I agree that summoning demons is foolish in the extreme, is it necessarily evil?

I think not. It depends on the user, as any kind of weapon. Perhaps more dangerous because it can move more forces, and, yes, the temptation is so powerful. With blood magic you can summon demons, and even get more strength, if you sacrife someone. But it is not mandatory to do that.

[Qun00]

Does that mean doing so is evil?


What I meant was that I don't think we know that it requires you to actually draw that power from a demon. It's specifically mentioned that Merrill summoned a spirit that time, but it's not made clear that she always does. But anyway, while I agree that summoning demons is foolish in the extreme, is it necessarily evil?

Yes, on both counts.
Demons thrive on the pain and misery of others, so I wouldn't touch anything related to them with a 20 ft pole.

I'd also like to address the "tool" argument. Blood magic is a tool in the sense that it is used by an individual, but it is also an action or perhaps a collection of actions which performing it entails.

And actions can be considered evil, hence why we have the word "misdeed". Nobody says "the murder of children isn't evil since said crime doesn't have a will of its own ".

Before you even think of bringing up the objects involved in killing them, I'll remind you that it just takes us back to point A: Blood magic isn't just a "thing", but also an action. A craft.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yes, on both counts.
Demons thrive on the pain and misery of others, so I wouldn't touch anything related to them with a 20 ft pole.

Yes, but I don't know that you've made the point that allowing them to do you favors is evil. Shouldn't it depend on what the favor is, why you want it, and what (if anything) you're paying? Obviously accepting a gift with the intention of doing harm (or not caring that it will do harm) is a bad thing, and you shouldn't let the demon/criminal do something that harms others to power your gift, and you should be very careful while negotiating the criminal/demon's compensation (if they're getting any) but I don't know that there's a case that accepting a gift from a criminal/demon is in and of itself evil. Though it's obviously something you should do very carefully.

 

 

I'd also like to address the "tool" argument. Blood magic is a tool in the sense that it is used by an individual, but it is also an action or perhaps a collection of actions which performing it entails.

And actions can be considered evil, hence why we have the word "misdeed". Nobody says "the murder of children isn't evil since said crime doesn't have a will of its own ". 

 

Blood magic isn't murdering children, though. And it doesn't have to entail it. I don't understand why you seem to think the act of using blood magic is comparable to murder unless the blood magic uses murder.

 

And back to a previous point: is it made clear that Merrill is actually required to draw on a demon every time she uses blood magic? I'm not sure that would be enough for you to make your case on, and I don't know that it not requiring that would be enough for me to build mine on, but it's relevant.

[ModernAcademic]

1) Morrigan is not a virgin. Flemeth has introduced her to a couple of Chasind men before she met the Warden.

 

2) The ritual is not painful per say, but it forces an innocent child to have the soul of an Old God. Such forms of coercion is not ethical.

 

1) Where's that information from?

 

2) Unethical, but not evil. It's an act to preserve an ancient wisdom contained within the soul fragment trapped inside the Archdemon's body. One that Morrigan is willing and able to do.

It would be evil if a life was taken unwillingly, if innocent blood was spilled or any other harmful action against an underserving subject.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

1) Where's that information from?

The party banter with Leiliana states that seducing and murdering men was expected of her, and we see no evidence she didn't do it or that she's willing to defy Flemeth's expectations. Or at least, we see no evidence that she was willing to defy Flemeth at or before the start of the game.

 

 

2) Unethical, but not evil. It's an act to preserve an ancient wisdom contained within the soul fragment trapped inside the Archdemon's body. One that Morrigan is willing and able to do.

It would be evil if a life was taken unwillingly, if innocent blood was spilled or any other harmful action against an underserving subject.

The argument, as I understand it, is that putting the Archdemon's soul into the child is in and of itself harmful. I don't know if we see any reason to believe it's true, but again: Morrigan tells you nothing of how any of this is going to work, so you can easily believe it's going to be terrible. And really, we don't actually see enough of the long-term effects of the Ritual (especially now that Flemeth has removed the soul) to know that Kieran wasn't harmed by the cirucmstances of his conception. That's not the best basis for an argument, but it's also worth noting that being possessed by an Old God would probably have kept demons away, and that he might not have learned how to do it for himself.